Abramelin Posted July 5, 2012 Author #801 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) For those who still remember him, here is ex-UM member "Marduk" talking about this Clyde Winters: I know Dr C A Winters personally and although he did the translation even in his opinion its a bad fake a very bad fake http://archaeologica...t=556&start=780 So what youre saying Beagle is that this Genius linguist who is the backbone for your case who is the only person you have submitted as an expert witness on the claim that the sumerians were in south america and who is doing it on the strength of a bowl that has two different types of sumerian writing on it which normally are found on artifacts 1500 years apart which makes this unlike any other example of sumerian writing in the world and youre claiming that he said this is genuine are ya a unique example of writing on a perfect unchipped ceramic bowl that is claimed to be 5500 years old from a wet climate on which the letters are written back to front thats priceless thanks like i said in my pm I will be starting a thread on the works of Clyde Winters in the next two days if you want to answer in full about how much you agree with everything you have misconstrued he has said then you should do it there http://archaeologica...t=556&start=795 And this is Clyde Winters talking. About the Olmecs and Africans: [media=] [/media]I would like to hear what Cormac has to say about that, lol. . Edited July 5, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 5, 2012 Author #802 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I think all this is going seriously off-topic, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 6, 2012 Author #803 Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) OK, a bit more on topic: the Cananefates.... Just for fun I changed my "location" (see left, below my avatar) from "Holland" into "Cananefatia" because I was born and raised in The Hague which is smack in the middle of the land they once inhabited.. The Cananefates lived at the coast of Holland, and were a tribe neighbouring the Frisians to the north, north-east, and the Batavians to the east and south east. One source (but I doubt his ideas very much to say the least), Frank Heinsius, says that he is quite sure the Cananefates were a Frisan tribe. Aside from the rest of his ideas, I don't think that is too farfetched to assume. First a map: Then: it is generally thought that (Roman) inscriptions mentioning the Cananefates only show up in Voorburg (near The Hague). That appears to be incorrect: http://www.ijpelaan....-Inleiding.html Now anyone can start googling to try to know about those Cananefates, and you will read that their name translates as "leek masters" which I think is, hmmm, somewhat weird, and you will read they once fought against the Frisians, and later on, together with the Frisians and the Batavians against the Romans with "Brinno", their almost legendary leader. But what you won't read on any Wiki page in any language is what has been discovered lately about them in the area I live. Archeological discoveries, that is. Well, here it comes (I quoted only parts of that webpage/ I hope you will note the bolded lines....) : Journal of Archaeology in the Low Countries 3-1 (November 2011) Rural cult places in the civitas Cananefatium Abstract Rural cult places are a widespread phenomenon in Roman times. They are found across the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France and England. In 1987 Slofstra and Van der Sanden published a discussion of such structures for the Meuse-Demer-Scheldt area. They argued that there are several similarities between the structures in terms of the appearance of the features and the accompanying finds. Although others have discussed open air cult places, so far the focus has never been on the western Netherlands. This paper intends to redress the balance by presenting an overview of Roman rural cult places from the area between the Rhine and Meuse estuaries (fig.1). Furthermore, this study identifies new criteria for identifying new cult places. 1 Introduction As comprehensive as our knowledge of rural habitation in the Cananefatian area is, our knowledge of cult and religion within this region is limited. So far, no clear traces of temples, as known from other parts of the Roman Empire, have been found in the study area, limiting our knowledge of Roman rural cult places in the western Netherlands. Although temples might very well have stood in the area, most places of worship here are likely to have been open-air sanctuaries. However, in line with our limited knowledge of temple structures, only a few examples of these open-air sanctuaries could be identified in past decades, resulting in a lacuna in our understanding of rural Cananefatian communities. The discovery in more recent years of a number of indigenous Roman rural cult places in the coastal area between the Rhine and Meuse estuaries furthers our understanding of rural cult in this specific part of the Roman Empire, complementing our knowledge of the Cananefatian society as a whole. By presenting these sites in a single overview, this paper therefore aims at a more constructive definition of rural cult places in the Cananefatian area. In addition, the sites presented add to our knowledge of cult in a much broader geographical context. First, this article briefly introduces the coastal settlement between the Rhine and Meuse in the Late Iron Age and Roman period. Special attention is paid to the underlying geology, rural settlement in the area, and known places of worship. Second, there is an overview of the study on rural cult places outside the study area. This forms a framework within which the cult places in the study area are introduced. Each structure is briefly described, focusing on the features and the accompanying finds. This paper concludes with some general remarks on cult and broader themes. (...) The originally indigenous deities are known by a great variety of names, showing that they were honoured by various indigenous tribes (Derks 1998, 119-120). The widespread variety also shows a strong relationship between a specific ancestral mother and a certain tribe, indicating the uniqueness of each deity. The matres Hiannanefatae, as known from an inscription found in Cologne (CIL XIII 8219), can thus be related to the Cananefates (Byvanck 1935, 382, 551; Galsterer & Galsterer 1975, no. 102). Although this inscription comes from outside the tribal homeland, the find of a ceramic votive (fig. 15) in a rural settlement at The Hague-Nikkelwerf (Van Veen & Waasdorp 2000, site 42) clearly shows that the ancestral mothers were important in the western Netherlands. http://dpc.uba.uva.nl/jalc/03/nr01/a01 . Edited July 6, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 6, 2012 Author #804 Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) De naam Kennemerland komt van Kennehim of Kinnin, moderner "Kinheim". Over de oorsprong van de naam zijn de meningen verdeeld. Wel is bekend dat Kennemerland in oorsprong meer in het zuiden lag dan nu. De precieze grens in het noorden is een beetje verloren gegaan door de "oorlog" tussen West-Friesland en Holland in de Middeleeuwen. Sommigen leggen de grens bij de voormalige IJ-monding tussen Heemskerk en Castricum, anderen plaatsen de grens meer naar het noorden, met name het gebied rond Hargen en Schoorl. Vóór het gewest en graafschap was het gebied een onderdeel van het rijk van de Friezen. Voor en tijdens de Romeinse tijd werd het zuiden bewoond door Kananefaten, waar de naam ook mogelijk vandaan komt. http://nl.wikipedia....ki/Kennemerland In English: The name Kennemerland comes from Kennehim or Kinnin, more modern "Kinheim". On the origin of the name opinions are divided. It is known that originally Kennemerland was more to the south than now. The exact boundary to the north is a bit lost because of the "war" between Holland and West Friesland in the Middle Ages. Some located the border at the former IJ estuary between Heemskerk and Castricum, others located the boundary further north, especially the area around Hargen and Schoorl. Before it became a region and county, the area was part of the empire of the Frisians. Before and during the Roman times it was inhabited by Cananefatians south, where the name probably comes from. . Edited July 6, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Gorp Posted July 6, 2012 #805 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Ah, de Gaen-in-efheden! Mister Delahaye should be around, he sure could give us some of his insights. Lukily his views can be consulted also on the web. “De Canninefates waren de bewoners van Genech op 25 km. zuidoost van Rijssel en op 40 km van Béthune. De Romeinse Renus was de Schelde, het Helinium de baai van de Liane (die oorspronkelijk de Helena heette) bij Boulogne, het Flevum de zeebaai tussen Calais en Oostende, waar voor de kust verschillende eilanden lagen.” "The Canninefates were living in the neighbourhood of Genech, 25 km south-east of Rijssel (Lille), 40 km from Béthune. The Roman Renus was the Schelde, the Helinium the baye of the Liane (originally called Helena) close to Boulogne, the Flevum the baye between Calais and Oostende where different islands were situated before the coast." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 7, 2012 Author #806 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Ah, de Gaen-in-efheden! Mister Delahaye should be around, he sure could give us some of his insights. Lukily his views can be consulted also on the web. “De Canninefates waren de bewoners van Genech op 25 km. zuidoost van Rijssel en op 40 km van Béthune. De Romeinse Renus was de Schelde, het Helinium de baai van de Liane (die oorspronkelijk de Helena heette) bij Boulogne, het Flevum de zeebaai tussen Calais en Oostende, waar voor de kust verschillende eilanden lagen.” "The Canninefates were living in the neighbourhood of Genech, 25 km south-east of Rijssel (Lille), 40 km from Béthune. The Roman Renus was the Schelde, the Helinium the baye of the Liane (originally called Helena) close to Boulogne, the Flevum the baye between Calais and Oostende where different islands were situated before the coast." Sorry to bring you the bad news, but the Cananefates were living in the neighbourhood of The Hague and Voorburg. Archeological eveidence is stronger than lego-linguistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Gorp Posted July 7, 2012 #807 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Sorry to bring you the bad news, but the Cananefates were living in the neighbourhood of The Hague and Voorburg. Archeological eveidence is stronger than lego-linguistics. Hah, that's a good one. Archeological evidence in abundance in the Netherlands? Don't think so, and what they found doesn't prove their story, sorry :-) Delahaye uses that same argument of lack of archeological evidence, not your so called lego-linguisitics. The whole lot of those German tribes mentionned in Latin texts, were living pretty close to each other on the border between Germanen-Galliers (now North of France) We still see it in the present day language-border Dutch (German language family) and French (Roman language family). Present day history has been build on the fault assumption to smear them over practically whole Western Europe. An error in understanding is/was easily made if you know that Coulogne/Koln, Hameboucres/Hamburg, Brêmes/Bremen are doublures. Btw the aim of language is to communicate as easily as possible. In that sense it should be handled as lego-parts, fitting every situation with the same blocks. Languages who have diffulties in offering that (Latin, Greeck), prove to be not part of the more original languages. And we all know by now that these languages/cultures are artificial, and should not boost of their assumed 'rich' heritage which is totally different as we are told. If they are artificial, they have borrowed from the locals. So, why not use the local language to explain their manipulations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 7, 2012 Author #808 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The archeological evidence consists of milestones with the word Cananefates or similar carved on it. You think they carried a stone like that from Germany to the North Sea coast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 7, 2012 Author #809 Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) Van Gorp, you are from Belgium. Maybe we can get on some 'common ground' here. You know that in part -1- there was a short discussion (a couple of times) about the "Northwest Block": The Nordwestblock (English: "North-West Block"), is a hypothetical cultural region, that several 20th century scholars propose as a prehistoric culture, thought to be roughly bounded by the rivers Meuse, Elbe, Somme and Oise (the present-day Netherlands, Belgium, northern France and western Germany) and possibly the eastern part of England during the Bronze and Iron Ages (3rd to 1st millennia BC, up to the gradual onset of historical sources from the 1st century). The theory was first proposed in 1962 by Rolf Hachmann, an historian, Georg Kossack, an archeologist, and Hans Kuhn, a linguist.[1] They continued the work of the Belgian linguist Maurits Gysseling, who got his inspiration from the Belgian archeologist Siegfried De Laet. Gysseling's original proposal included research that another language may have existed somewhere in between Germanic and Celtic in the Belgian (sic) region. http://en.wikipedia....i/Nordwestblock http://www.dbnl.org/..._01/gyss001.php You happen to have read anything by this Gysseling? If so, I hope you will to post about it. Might be interesting for this topic. EDIT: Overwijn (1941), the third person to transliterate/translate the OLB (after Ottema and Wirth) based lots of his etymologies on Celtic: Gysseling's original proposal included research that another language may have existed somewhere in between Germanic and Celtic in the Belgian (sic) region. . Edited July 7, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 7, 2012 Author #810 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Dutch: Het Corpus Gysseling is een verzameling van alle Middelnederlandse (en veel Oudnederlandse) teksten die bewaard gebleven zijn van voor 1301. De uitgave is in de periode 1977-1987 samengesteld door de Gentse taalkundige Maurits Gysseling. Het Corpus Gysseling is, met de registers erbij, een reeks boeken van 15 delen. De eerste negen delen bevatten de zogeheten "ambtelijke bescheiden", niet-literaire teksten, de volgende zes delen bevatten literaire teksten. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Gysseling English: The Corpus Gysseling is a collection of all Middle Dutch (and many Old Dutch) texts that have survived from before 1301. The edition has been compiled in the period of 1977-1987 by the linguist Maurice Gysseling from Ghent. The Corpus Gysseling, together with the registers, is a series of books of 15 parts. The first nine volumes contain the so-called "official documents", non-literary texts, the following six sections contain literary texts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHangedMan Posted July 7, 2012 #811 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Hah, that's a good one. Archeological evidence in abundance in the Netherlands? Don't think so, and what they found doesn't prove their story, sorry :-) Delahaye uses that same argument of lack of archeological evidence, not your so called lego-linguisitics. The whole lot of those German tribes mentionned in Latin texts, were living pretty close to each other on the border between Germanen-Galliers (now North of France) We still see it in the present day language-border Dutch (German language family) and French (Roman language family). Present day history has been build on the fault assumption to smear them over practically whole Western Europe. An error in understanding is/was easily made if you know that Coulogne/Koln, Hameboucres/Hamburg, Brêmes/Bremen are doublures. Btw the aim of language is to communicate as easily as possible. In that sense it should be handled as lego-parts, fitting every situation with the same blocks. Languages who have diffulties in offering that (Latin, Greeck), prove to be not part of the more original languages. And we all know by now that these languages/cultures are artificial, and should not boost of their assumed 'rich' heritage which is totally different as we are told. If they are artificial, they have borrowed from the locals. So, why not use the local language to explain their manipulations? Hello, this forum is a good, people! Van Gorp, I agree. Thank all posters for taking part in this challenge of the mind. I will be busy reading for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Gorp Posted July 7, 2012 #812 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The archeological evidence consists of milestones with the word Cananefates or similar carved on it. You think they carried a stone like that from Germany to the North Sea coast? Not necessary carrying :-) But if transported, then that wouldn’t have been the first time in history . Romans did it with Egyptian obelisks. But if coming there by some reason (natural or human) from another region (the original place of installation does not need to be the place of the findings) I think it doesn't come from present day Germany. This besides the rather ‘uncertain’ circumstances of the finds (among which the ground wherein it was found was deposited, a whole bunch of Milestones together, some assumed abbrevations, altered/added inscriptions and mentionning names what was in the whole not that common on other milestones …), can make a man doubt as a sceptic for this story as some doubt the originality of OLB :-) On the whole I can follow Delahaye when he says that it is also rather strange that from the Voorburg area, Roman expeditions should have been prepared to England (as has been told for Forum Hadriani). The more likely is that for this undertaking was choosen the easiest and shortest track through the channel (as from Northern France -> region Cap Gris/Blanc Nez where you can effectively see the other coast of England and Romans were at that spot, see also Boulogne history and now the Calais-Dover seatrack to cross the channel). For me it seemed worthwhile to take this into account. For Gyselink: interesting info Abe but unfortunately I’m not too familiar with his work yet. What I catched was that his uncle was called Omer Verlinde, life can be amusing sometimes :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 7, 2012 Author #813 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Hello, this forum is a good, people! Van Gorp, I agree. Thank all posters for taking part in this challenge of the mind. I will be busy reading for a while. Hello HangedMan, welcome to UM! Your username makes me think of the mood I am in lately.....hmm.... And in case you didn't know, there is an archived first part to this thread, some 780 pages long. See my signature for the link. Personally, i prefer archeology above playing with words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 7, 2012 Author #814 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Not necessary carrying :-) But if transported, then that wouldn’t have been the first time in history . Romans did it with Egyptian obelisks. But if coming there by some reason (natural or human) from another region (the original place of installation does not need to be the place of the findings) I think it doesn't come from present day Germany. This besides the rather ‘uncertain’ circumstances of the finds (among which the ground wherein it was found was deposited, a whole bunch of Milestones together, some assumed abbrevations, altered/added inscriptions and mentionning names what was in the whole not that common on other milestones …), can make a man doubt as a sceptic for this story as some doubt the originality of OLB :-) On the whole I can follow Delahaye when he says that it is also rather strange that from the Voorburg area, Roman expeditions should have been prepared to England (as has been told for Forum Hadriani). The more likely is that for this undertaking was choosen the easiest and shortest track through the channel (as from Northern France -> region Cap Gris/Blanc Nez where you can effectively see the other coast of England and Romans were at that spot, see also Boulogne history and now the Calais-Dover seatrack to cross the channel). For me it seemed worthwhile to take this into account. For Gyselink: interesting info Abe but unfortunately I’m not too familiar with his work yet. What I catched was that his uncle was called Omer Verlinde, life can be amusing sometimes :-) The milestones I was talking about where there to demarcate a territory, the Cananefatian territory. Delahaye died long ago. Things were being discovered after he died. He was wrong after all, but he was no idiot. The Romans carried Egyptian obelisks off as trophies. You think they considered the Cananefatians to be at the same level as the ancient Egyptians?? A minor Germanic tribe living at the coast of Holland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHangedMan Posted July 7, 2012 #815 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Hello HangedMan, welcome to UM! Your username makes me think of the mood I am in lately.....hmm.... Thank you, Abramelin. My friend, Otharus told me much about the OLB. I read some of his posts, and know his videos, but I never understood this forum. He helped me now to subscribe. He is leaving for a while to Flanders. This video is about The Hanged Man, it is a Tarot card. It will cheers you up! Great posts from you too, A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 7, 2012 Author #816 Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) Thank you, Abramelin. My friend, Otharus told me much about the OLB. I read some of his posts, and know his videos, but I never understood this forum. He helped me now to subscribe. He is leaving for a while to Flanders. This video is about The Hanged Man, it is a Tarot card. It will cheers you up! Great posts from you too, A. [media=] [/media] I know, he's leaving for Leuven. You should read my "I have been there" thread: I laid cards for people, playing cards as well as Tarot cards. I didn't watch your video yet, but I know the Nordic 'Hanged Man" was no one else but Odin. == So we won't see Otharus for some time, but you take his place?? I should find myself a substitute too, lol. This thing is draining me, and I really should focus on more important things in my life. But I love the topic so much, it's like a drug. Whatever the outcome will be - forgery or not - I have learned so much in all these years about the history of my own country - things you will never learn in highschool - that I think this thread is my all-time best waste of ime. I would never in my life have thought I would one time wade through boring medieval Dutch/Frisian texts . Edited July 7, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Gorp Posted July 7, 2012 #817 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The Romans carried Egyptian obelisks off as trophies. You think they considered the Cananefatians to be at the same level as the ancient Egyptians?? A minor Germanic tribe living at the coast of Holland? If transported I don't think it were the Romans who did it as a trophy. That Germanic tribe 'Cananefatians' were also described by Tacitus as living in a part of Gallia. That makes me doubt another time to look for it in the Netherlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHangedMan Posted July 7, 2012 #818 Share Posted July 7, 2012 So we won't see Otharus for some time, but you take his place?? ~ But I love the topic so much, it's like a drug. Curiosity is the natural addiction of the clever ones. O asked me to tell him when something interesting is hapening here. And I scan the old thread. We set up a new site together that I will work on. ALD.FRYA.S BOK.DÉLA UTA SKRIFTA THÉRA ADELA.FOLSTAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 7, 2012 Author #819 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Curiosity is the natural addiction of the clever ones. He asked me to tell him when something interesting is hapening here. And I scan the old thread. We set up a new site together that I will work on. ALD.FRYA.S BOK.DÉLA UTA SKRIFTA THÉRA ADELA.FOLSTAR Something interesting did happen: read what I posted about the 'mothers' and the "Cananefates". Van Gorp didn't get it, all he is concerned about is his play with words to prove the Dutch/Belgium language is the oldest language on earth. Just like Turks do. or the Magyar/Hungarians, or the Greek, or the Macedonians, or the Allbanians/Illyrians, And so on. It's about nationalistic PRIDE. , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHangedMan Posted July 7, 2012 #820 Share Posted July 7, 2012 ... his play with words to prove the Dutch/Belgium language is the oldest language on earth.~ It's about nationalistic PRIDE. I like that wordplay too. It taught me much about language and poetry. Pride yes, nationalism no, because we involve and value other languages and dialects. I have travelled much and don't feel Dutch. I hate nationalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Gorp Posted July 7, 2012 #821 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I like that wordplay too. It taught me much about language and poetry. Pride yes, nationalism no, because we involve and value other languages and dialects. ... :-) that is quite nicely put. Abe; maybe you should better label as a ‘lingualist’ :-) But then the one language before Babel (Latin-Greeck) hé That language belongs to all of us. I go also for the mutual respect and appreciation of all our mother dialects. Haven’t ever thought of myself of being a nationalist by investigating my own in conncetion with Latin and Greeck . On top, maybe we all understand a different thing by that word (leaving out the explanation of the dicti-honary). A joke: Following the track:, what should be the superlative? a regionalist :-) I get it all, but do you get this? Besides that, I think it’s not that kind of personal appreciation about in this thread. We all try to contribute following our own insights. For me, during hard studies and pleasant play I get convinced that Latin/Greeck language is less authentic then our own mother tongue in describing things by their nature (and oh yes, probably also other dialects) and I work with the dialect I’m most familiar with. Whether this makes it more/less authentic than other mother tongues is for me no question, don’t worry about that :-) But that kind of remarks really won’t make me (or others ?) work less with the mother tongue and trying to make the veil over their true origine/meaning more transparant. You can always join the club, there are different roads to Rome :-) What is following your insights the secret name of Rome which can’t be named? I won’t name it :-) Btw I can give you an amusing and totally ridiculous link between the Gaen-in-efheids and the Kon-ijn, they both Gaan-In :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted July 8, 2012 #822 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Hello The Hanged Man, with a picture of Ottema, that's deep, I'm glad you feel strongly about the OLB, it's time more people got on board with this. This is rather trivial I spose but was reading a new book last night, Treasure Hunters with some fabulous ancient treasures, which I love to read about, I saw this picture of a Thracian plate which really attracted me, it is Heracles with someone, maybe Hera but look at the name above her... It almost might read Frya, with that YA at the end, maybe Hera was indeed Frya, with all that long golden hair... Thracians did have fair or red hair and blue eyes, since Heracles imo is Thor and he always had red hair, he appears imo to be Thracian originally and Thracians must have been associated with the same look of red hair, fair hair, blue eyes that spread throughout Northern Europe, so Thracians may have originally been part of the Fryans imo - so that this could be FRYA is not that much of a surprise - anyone got any thoughts on whether this woman could be portraying FRYA...? The second letter, a back to front upside down L - I can only find that in Etruscan alphabet. (It might be a back to front gamma in Greek - in Etruscan it appears like the text shown on the plate). Edited July 8, 2012 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted July 8, 2012 #823 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Btw the aim of language is to communicate as easily as possible. In that sense it should be handled as lego-parts, fitting every situation with the same blocks. Languages who have diffulties in offering that (Latin, Greeck), prove to be not part of the more original languages. And we all know by now that these languages/cultures are artificial, and should not boost of their assumed 'rich' heritage which is totally different as we are told. If they are artificial, they have borrowed from the locals. So, why not use the local language to explain their manipulations? I absolutely agree and this is my main reason to think the Fryan and Frisian language is certainly an original language. The small root words are easily seen to spread out to a multitude of other words and meanings, which the originals can only be found in the small original FRISIAN root words. SATURN = to turn - as the WORLD turns, because Wralda will equate to Saturn - Chronus - time, again - turns. They don't even have a clue how to find an etymology for this name, yet there it is, so simple, so obvious... -------------------------- EDIT: OK, Varro has an idea of what it meant but the concept of time was always there and I bet if I looked hard enough I could find the connection to SOWING in TIME. "A stitch in time, saves nine". According to Varro,[4] Saturn's name derived ab satu, from the word for "sowing." Another of his epithets that referred to his agricultural functions was Sterculius,[5] from stercus, "manure." Agriculture was central to Roman identity, and Saturn was a part of archaic Roman religion. His name appears in the ancient hymn of the Salian priests, and his temple was the oldest known to have been recorded by the pontiffs. It was located at the base of the Capitoline Hill, and a row of columns from the last rebuilding of the temple still stand.[6] The position of Saturn's festival in the Roman calendar led to his association with concepts of time, especially the temporal transition of the New Year. Macrobius (5th century AD) presents an interpretation of the Saturnalia as a festival of light leading to the winter solstice.[7] In the Greek tradition, Cronus was often conflated with Chronus, "Time," and his devouring of his children taken as an allegory for the passing of generations. The sickle or scythe of Father Time is a remnant of the agricultural implement of Cronus-Saturn, and his aged appearance represents the waning of the old year with the birth of the new, in antiquity sometimes embodied by Aion. In late antiquity, Saturn is syncretized with a number of deities, and begins to be depicted as winged, as is Kairos, "Timing, Right Time" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_(mythology) Edited July 8, 2012 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted July 8, 2012 Author #824 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I have the feeling someone 'reincarnated' today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otharus Posted July 8, 2012 #825 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I have the feeling someone 'reincarnated' today.... Komrij! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts