Ott Posted October 24, 2013 #4451 Share Posted October 24, 2013 This is exactly the reason to link Halbertsma with the OLB. You must have missed this: Spreekwoordenboek der Nederlandsche taal (Dictionary of Dutch proverbs) by P.J. Harrebomée (1860): Zijn haring wil hier niet gaar braden. His herring does not bake well-done here. (references: Winschooten bl. 77. Tuinman I. bl. 51. Everts bl. 343. v.d. Hulst bl. 13. v. Eijk I. nal. bl. 5, II. nal. bl. 14. Drenthe bl. 207. Sancho-Pança bl. 25. Bogaert bl. 34.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted October 24, 2013 #4452 Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) You must have missed this: Spreekwoordenboek der Nederlandsche taal (Dictionary of Dutch proverbs) by P.J. Harrebomée (1860): Zijn haring wil hier niet gaar braden. His herring does not bake well-done here. (references: Winschooten bl. 77. Tuinman I. bl. 51. Everts bl. 343. v.d. Hulst bl. 13. v. Eijk I. nal. bl. 5, II. nal. bl. 14. Drenthe bl. 207. Sancho-Pança bl. 25. Bogaert bl. 34.) Of course it is a proverb. The OLB has been written by someone, who makes use of this proverb. Edited October 24, 2013 by Knul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted October 24, 2013 #4453 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The OLB is interesting, but I don`nt think it had anything to do with the tale of Atlantis.It seems you all are trying to configurate a mix and match words of a book, a lot that does`nt make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted October 24, 2013 #4454 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The OLB is interesting, but I don`nt think it had anything to do with the tale of Atlantis.It seems you all are trying to configurate a mix and match words of a book, a lot that does`nt make sense. On the contrary, the OLB has everything to do with the famous story of Atlantis. Just have a look at the story of Nef Tunis. In fact the OLB mixes Atland and Aldland. In the language of the boatsmen the name Aldland is shortened to Adland > Atland and this is linked to the ancient Atlantis. This connects the protofrisian naval history with the mediterranean history. I would not call this a mix and match of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted October 25, 2013 #4455 Share Posted October 25, 2013 On the contrary, the OLB has everything to do with the famous story of Atlantis. Just have a look at the story of Nef Tunis. In fact the OLB mixes Atland and Aldland. In the language of the boatsmen the name Aldland is shortened to Adland > Atland and this is linked to the ancient Atlantis. This connects the protofrisian naval history with the mediterranean history. I would not call this a mix and match of words. You`ve got to remember Atlantis was not the real name ,only a greek name of a meaning by Solon. Plato Yet, before proceeding further in the narrative, I ought to warn you, that you must not be surprised if you should perhaps hear Hellenic names given to foreigners. I will tell you the reason of this: Solon, who was intending to use the tale for his poem, enquired into the meaning of the names, and found that the early Egyptians in writing them down had translated them into their own language, and he recovered the meaning of the several names and when copying them out again translated them into our language. My great-grandfather, Dropides, had the original writing, which is still in my possession, and was carefully studied by me when I was a child. Therefore if you hear names such as are used in this country, you must not be surprised, for I have told how they came to be introduced. The tale, which was of great length, began as follows:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted October 25, 2013 #4456 Share Posted October 25, 2013 You`ve got to remember Atlantis was not the real name ,only a greek name of a meaning by Solon. Plato Yet, before proceeding further in the narrative, I ought to warn you, that you must not be surprised if you should perhaps hear Hellenic names given to foreigners. I will tell you the reason of this: Solon, who was intending to use the tale for his poem, enquired into the meaning of the names, and found that the early Egyptians in writing them down had translated them into their own language, and he recovered the meaning of the several names and when copying them out again translated them into our language. My great-grandfather, Dropides, had the original writing, which is still in my possession, and was carefully studied by me when I was a child. Therefore if you hear names such as are used in this country, you must not be surprised, for I have told how they came to be introduced. The tale, which was of great length, began as follows:- Solon was a wise man indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ott Posted October 25, 2013 #4457 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Of course it is a proverb. The OLB has been written by someone, who makes use of this proverb. You think that such a proverb can not be that old. But there is no reason why it could not. Language is primarily oral. It is older than the oldest written records of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ott Posted October 25, 2013 #4458 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The OLB is interesting, but I don`nt think it had anything to do with the tale of Atlantis. Different cultures may have had their own version of a memory of a lost world. In the OLB language, the word means "old land" (ALD.LAND => ADLAND => ATLAND). In the OLB it is not clear where and when this was. Different big floods are described in which inhabited land was lost. The name may not always refer to the same geographic area and historic era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted October 25, 2013 #4459 Share Posted October 25, 2013 You think that such a proverb can not be that old. But there is no reason why it could not. Language is primarily oral. It is older than the oldest written records of it. I did not say that proverbs cannot be that old, but that this (and other) proverbs have been used by the writer of the OLB. If you know about earlier provenance of this proverb, please let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted October 25, 2013 #4460 Share Posted October 25, 2013 In the OLB it is not clear where and when this was. . The OLB gives the exact year: Nêi âtland svnken is thaet thria thû sond fjvwer hvndred aend njugon aend fjvwertigoste jêr, thaet is nei kersten rêknong that tvelfhvndred sex aend fiftigoste jêr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ott Posted October 25, 2013 #4461 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The OLB gives the exact year You are right. On the very first page even. I need a break. Here's something new I found about the much discussed word "od". Ref. (page 6) "WR.ALDA.S OD TRAD TO RA BINNA", wrongly translated by Ottema (1872) and Sandbach (1876) as "haat"/ "hatred". The video is in the German language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2013 Author #4462 Share Posted October 26, 2013 On that wheel it was used as being one letter allright. But why do you think the English still call the letter double-U? Because it originally was composed of two Vs. Double V, Doppeltes Vau.and so on. The change from two Vs to one single letter- W- happened around the middle of the middle ages: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/W But a Halbertsma, a Verwijs, a Van der Linden, and all the other 'suspects' would have known. So that's why they used both a real double V, and a letter -W- . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2013 Author #4463 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) The OLB is interesting, but I don`nt think it had anything to do with the tale of Atlantis.It seems you all are trying to configurate a mix and match words of a book, a lot that does`nt make sense. Anybody who really read the OLB will know it had nothing to do with anything Atlantis. The OLB mentions "Aldland" (Old Land), or "Atland". From the OLB you will gather it wasn't located in the Atlantic, but in Asia instead. After "Aldland/Atland" sank, its inhabitants - the Finda - invaded Fryan (= European) territory from the EAST, and that was a 100 years after "Aldland" submerged. It submerged 2194 BCE, not 9600 BCE (according to Plato's tale) And you just jumped on this thread without making an effort to read what has been posted before. This thread - part 1 and 2- has been going on for 4 years now, and we all have posted a total of some 17,000 posts. . Edited October 26, 2013 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2013 Author #4464 Share Posted October 26, 2013 In this post I explained where Aldland/Atland should/could be located: http://www.unexplain...15#entry4772321 But I must add an extra indication of where it might have been located (following the story): The next is part of the description of the territory of the Fryans in Europe, of "before the bad time came": On the other side [= to the east] we were hedged in by the broad Twiskland [= Germany], through which the Finda people dared not come on account of the thick forests and the wild animals. http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#au Mind you: this was in the time BEFORE Aldland sank. So the Finda lived east of Twiskland/Germany, and so Aldland/Atland, their homeland, should be located somewhere in Asia. . http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=247797&st=30#entry4774278 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2013 Author #4465 Share Posted October 26, 2013 The original word is "Aldland" which was shortened by the sailors who visited it into "Atland". Aldland means "Old Land", and is still in use among the modern Frisians (Atlan). And this is all the OLB mentions or suggests where Aldland was located and by whom it was inhabited: In early times almost all the Finda lived together in their native land, which was called Aldland, and is now submerged. They were thus far away, and we had no wars. When they were driven hitherwards, and appeared as robbers, then arose the necessity of defending ourselves, and we had armies, kings, and wars. === Aldland, called by the seafaring people, Atland, disappeared, and the wild waves rose so high over hill and dale that everything was buried in the sea. === About a Finda people (the Fryans called that tribe the Finns, their priests were called Magiar): One hundred and one years after the submersion of Aldland a people came out of the East. === Punjab, that is five rivers, and by which we travel, is a river of extraordinary beauty, and is called Five Rivers, because four other streams flow into the sea by its mouth. Far away to the eastward is another large river, the Holy or Sacred Ganges. Between these two rivers is the land of the Hindoos. Both rivers run from the high mountains to the plains. The mountains in which their sources lie are so high that they reach the heavens, and therefore these mountains are called Himmellaia. Among the Hindoos and others out of these countries there are people who meet together secretly. They believe that they are pure children of Finda, and that Finda was born in the Himmellaia mountains, whence she went with her children to the lowlands. Some of them believe that she, with her children, floated down upon the foam of the Ganges, and that that is the reason why the river is called the Sacred Ganges. === When they were ready they began to disagree. Teunis wished to sail through the straits to the Middle Sea, and enter the service of the rich Egyptian king, as he had done before, but Inka said he had had enough of all those Finda’s people. Inka thought that perchance some high-lying part of Atland might remain as an island, where he and his people might live in peace. As the two cousins could not agree, Teunis planted a red flag on the shore, and Inka a blue flag. Every man could choose which he pleased, and to their astonishment the greater part of the Finns and Magyars followed Inka, who had objected to serve the kings of Finda’s people. When they had counted the people and divided the ships accordingly, the fleet separated. We shall hear of Teunis afterwards, but nothing more of Inka. ===== When you combine all these quotes, then you get two possible locations for Aldland: - It was far away from the Fryans who lived in Europe, so it could not have been somewhere in the North Sea, as is always suggested. - Aldland was the homeland of the Finda. - 101 years after Aldland, the home of the Finda, submerged, a Finda tribe (Finns) came from the east. - Among the Hindus lived a people who claimed to be pure descendants of Finda,who was borne in the Himalaya. All this suggests Aldland was located somewhere in Asia. I thought it was the Pamir Plateau that, according to some in the 19th century, was the location of Paradise/Eden and was once flooded (THE Flood) when the Tarim Basin - of which some thought had once been an inland sea - emptied during heavy earthquakes. What I understood from geology is that this never happened. But the story of Inka and Teunis suggests it was located somewhere in the Atlantic, because Teunis entered the Middle Sea to go to Egypt, and Inka went the other way. Or it is a "Columbus" story who went to the west to search for Asia/Paradise. As I have shown in the other OLB thread, C thought that Paradise was located in SE Asia. What I think is quite telling is that we do not read one single word about what happened on Aldland when it was still above water. Not even as some legend told among the Finda. . http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=247797&st=15#entry4772321 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2013 Author #4466 Share Posted October 26, 2013 <snip> But a Halbertsma, a Verwijs, a Van der Linden, and all the other 'suspects' would have known. So that's why they used both a real double V, and a letter -W- . That should be "Over de Linden" of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NO-ID-EA Posted October 26, 2013 #4467 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) ............The Kolbrin Bible....Possibly CoelBryn , and not really a bible , but a collection of MS made into a book , which also has a very mysterious origin. amongst other MS is a story of creation, followed by a story of the birth of man ,... and then a story given the title of " the destruction and re-creation of earth " (i have not copied it word for word , but used my own in places ,and left out some parts where it gets flowery , telling that the dragon was sent from god because of the sins of man ) It is known from ancient times that there was not one creation but two , a creation , and a re-creation , as it is a fact known to the wise , that the earth was destroyed once , and re-born on a completely new wheel of creation. at the time of destruction god created a dragon out of the heavens to encompass the earth about, this dragon was frightful to behold , it lashed it's tail, breathed out fire and hot coals , and a great catastrophe was unleashed on man. The body of the dragon was of cold bright light, and the belly was a ruddy (red/fiery) hued glow , while behind it a tail of flowing smoke spewed out cinders and hot stones, it's breath was foul and stenchful , and poisoned the nostrils of man. it's passage caused great thunderings and lightenings rendind the thick darkened sky , all heaven and earth were made hot , the seas were loosened from their cradle and rose up , pouring across the land , there was an awful shrill trumpeting , which even drowned out and overpowered the howling of the unleashed winds . men were struck with terror , and went mad at the sight in the heavens , they lost their senses , and dashed about , crazed , not knowing either what to do , or even what they did , the breath was slowly sucked from their bodies , and they were burnt with a strange falling ash.. Once it had passed, it left earth enwraped with a dark glowing mantle in the sky , which was ruddy , and lit up inside...the bowels of the earth started to split open in great writhing upheavals , this and a howling whirlwind rent the mountains apart..........Then later the the wrath of the monster returned to the skies , it lashed about in a flaming fury , roaring like a thousand thunders , and pounded down a fiery destruction amid a welter of thick dark blood. The earth vomited forth great gusts of foul breath from awful mouths which opened up , this evil breath sent men mad, and killed them, those who did not die like this , were smothered in clouds of red dust and ashes , or were swallowed by the gaping mouths of earth , or crushed under crashing rocks from who knows where .. The first sky monster was joined by a second , which swallowed the tail of the one going before , but the two were not in view at once , these sky monsters did battle above the earth in order to posses it , but the many bladed sword of god cut them up into pieces, and their falling bodies fell and enlarged both the land and the sea . Both men and their dwelling places were gone , only sky boulders , and red dust covered the earth, but amid the destruction a few men survived , for man is not easily destroyed , they crept out again from caves , and came down from high mountains, but their eyes were wild , their limbs trembled , and their tongues lacked control,their faces were twisted and the skin hung from their bones, they were as mad as wild beasts, no longer knew any laws , and all the wisdom of those who guided them was gone . In time the great canopy of dust and cloud which encompassed the earth , enshrouding it in a heavy darkness was pierced by a ruddy ( red ) light , and the canopy swept down in great cloudbursts of raging storms , as cool moon tears were shed for the distress of earth..............when the light of the sun eventually pierced through the earthly shroud , bathing the land in its revitalizing glory , the earth again began to know noght and day, for there were now separate times of light , and times of dark, the smothering canopy rolled away and the vaults of heaven became visible again to men, the foul air became purified as new air clothed the earth , shielding her from the dark hostile void of heaven. the violent rainstorms ceased , and the waters at last ceased their turmoil, earthquakes finally stopped tearing the earth apart , and the hot rocks finally cooled, the land masses re-established themselves , and became firm ,. and stable, now standing firm in the midst of the waters, the oceans fell back , and the land again stood firm on its foundations. The sun shone on the land and sea , and life began to re-generate upon the face of the earth.Rain fell gently once again and clouds of fleece floated across the day-skies , as sediment sank to the bottom , the waters purified and life increased in abundance, but when men came forth from their hiding places the world their fathers knew was gone forever, the face of the land had changed , and earth was littered with rocks and stones which fell when the heavens collapsed, one generation groped about in the desolation and the gloom, but as the darkness dispelled that generations children who had never seen the earth as it was before believed they were seeing a new creation, For the survivors the world was different, man was not the same, the sun was not as it had been before , and a moon had been take away, man stood in the midst of renewal and regeneration, and he looked up into the heavens in fear of a return the awful powers of destruction that he now knew the heavens possessed lurking in the skies. he found the new earth firm and the heavens newly fixed, he rejoiced , but he also feared and lived in dread that the heavens may send again the awful power of destruction......... Time passed....memories dimmed.....the records were no longer dear ......generation followed generation with the destruction not repeating.....and the stories of the re-creation of the earth fell away into the tales of myth , as new tales replaced the old .......... Edited October 26, 2013 by NO-ID-EA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ott Posted October 26, 2013 #4468 Share Posted October 26, 2013 It is known from ancient times that there was not one creation but two , a creation , and a re-creation , as it is a fact known to the wise , that the earth was destroyed once , and re-born on a completely new wheel of creation.at the time of destruction god created a dragon out of the heavens to encompass the earth about, this dragon was frightful to behold , it lashed it's tail, breathed out fire and hot coals , and a great catastrophe was unleashed on man. That is very well explained in this video (the impatient may start at 8:42): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ott Posted October 26, 2013 #4469 Share Posted October 26, 2013 The change from two Vs to one single letter- W- happened around the middle of the middle ages You really believe that this change suddenly happened and that no one ever before saw it as one letter? What nonsense. Mind you, it represents one sound; we don't say v-v or u-u. Therefore it makes sense that some people (or people sometimes) saw it as one letter (while other's did not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NO-ID-EA Posted October 26, 2013 #4470 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Then in a different MS said to be the scroll of Kerobal Pakthermin......... .....The forebears of man were once all one people who dwelt through long ages of peace and plenty.........Some struggled, some were more disciplined, and some had forefathers who crossed over the great dark void, there were great mountains from the east to the west , and in the north was a great plain of stoney undulating forests and rivers, fertile land and marshes . ....Until came a day when all stood still , god gave a sign so that men should know the earth was to be afflicted - the sign was a strange star..........this star grew and waxed to a great brightness and was awesome to behold , it put forth horns and sang, gods voice was as the roll of thunder , and he was clothed in fire and smoke , carried lightening in his hand , and his breath was of brimstone and embers , his eye was a black void, and his mouth an abyss out of which came the winds of destruction , he encircled the whole heavens , donning his black robe adorned with fiery stars, from which the sun and the moon hid themselves. ........god moved through space amid mighty roars and loud trumpetings, then came a grim dead silence and a black/red lit twilight of doom . great fires and smoke rose up through the ground and men gasped for air . the land was rent asunder and swept clean by mighty deluges of water, a hole opened up in the middle of the land and the waters entered therein and it sank beneath the sea . The mountains in the East and the West were split apart and now stood in the midst of the waters , and the Northland plain tilted and turned over onto its side.....Then again the tumult ceased and all was silent, madness broke out amongst men , frenzy and shouting and screaming , they fell upon one another in wanton destruction and senseless bloodshed, neither did they spare women or children , for they knew not what they did , they just ran unseeingly , dashing themselves to destruction, some fled to caves and were buried , others climbing trees , were hanged , there was rape , murder and violence of every kind . ........The deluge of waters swept over again , purging it clean, rains beat down unceasingly in the great winds , the seething waters overwhelmed the land , and man , the beasts, his flocks , gardens and all his work ceased to exist . Some people were saved on mountains, others on flotsam, but they were scattered far apart from one another over the face of the earth, they fought for survival,and amid uncouth people , and because of the coldness they lived in caves. the land of the little people , the land of the giants , the land of the neckless ones , and the lands of the marshes and mists, the lands of the East and the west were all inundated , but the mountainous lands , and the lands of the south , where there is gold and great beasts were not covered by the waters. Note , they tell you of various lands that were drowned but appeared again when the waters receded, they say the land of the south was not under water...... but there is no more mention of the plain lands in the North that tipped and tilted over on their side......The Aldland or Atland ????? Edited October 26, 2013 by NO-ID-EA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted October 26, 2013 #4471 Share Posted October 26, 2013 You are right. On the very first page even. I need a break. Here's something new I found about the much discussed word "od". Ref. (page 6) "WR.ALDA.S OD TRAD TO RA BINNA", wrongly translated by Ottema (1872) and Sandbach (1876) as "haat"/ "hatred". The video is in the German language. [media=] [/media] The same you find in Haydn's Schoepfung (Creation of the world), called Odem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted October 26, 2013 #4472 Share Posted October 26, 2013 http://www.unexplain...15#entry4772321 How about Texland ? Inna hâga lânda wêron hja thrvch jrtha, inna dêna landa thrvch wêter vrdên. Allêna Fryasburch to Texland waerth vnedêrad fvnden. Men al et laend thet northward lêid hêde, wêre vnder sê. Noch nis=t navt boppa brocht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ott Posted October 27, 2013 #4473 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The same you find in Haydn's Schoepfung (Creation of the world), called Odem. Beautiful fragment with Odem as God's breath or life-force, from the libretto of Haydn's masterpiece Die Schöpfung (1798): GABRIEL, URIEL Zu dir, O Herr, blickt alles auf; um Speise fleht dich alles an. Du öffnet deine Hand, gesättigt werden sie. RAPHAEL Du wendest ab dein Angesicht, da bebet alles und erstarrt. Du nimmst den Odem weg; in Staub zerfallen sie. GABRIEL, URIEL, RAPHAEL Den Odem hauchst du wieder aus, und neues Leben sprosst hervor. Verjüngt ist die Gestalt der Erd’ an Reiz und Kraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ott Posted October 27, 2013 #4474 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Spelling variety in OLB samen (together), verzamelen (to gather) [page/line] in original manuscript 1 [002/17] JOLDON HJA TO SAMNE 2 [004/12] AS ALL OTHERA ETSÁMA 3 [010/18] THÁ HROP HJU.RA ALLE A FLÍLÁND TO SÁMNE 4 [015/14] BY RÉDUM FON ALLE STÁTA ET SÉMNE 5 [023/15] HROPATH ALLE BURCH.HÉRA ET SÉMNE 6 [023/24] THÀT MIDDELTAL FON ALLE BISLUTA ETSÉMNE 7 [025/18] THA MÉNA MÉNTA THÀT IS AL.ET FOLK TO SÉMNE 8 [029/27] SA HWERSA THÉR SWETHNATA ET SÉMNE KYVA 9 [034/27] VMBE SIN KIDDE AT SÉMNE TO HALDANDE 10 [052/29] THÁ WRDON KRAFTA SAMLATH 11 [054/22] AL VSA GÁSTON ET SÉMINE 12 [077/11] AS ALLE OTHERA PRESTUM TO SÉMNE 13 [084/10] ALSAMEN WITH FRYDOM KÀMPA ÀND WOXELJA 14 [096/23] HJRA MOD IS LIK BÉDE TO SÉMINE 15 [097/09] BINT HJU ALSÉMEN AN EN SPINHROK FEST 16 [101/03] BÜRATH ÀND SÁMNATH ÀND GETTHATH 17 [105/03] THISSA WROCHTON ÀND TOCHTON TO SÉMINE 18 [112/15] FON HVNDRED TO SÉMINE 19 [132/29] SÁ KVMATH THA SIBBA ET SÉMNE 20 [135/25] HJA BIRÉDON ET SÉMINE 21 [145/14] WISER ALLE GRÉVA ETSÉMNE 22 [147/18] MITHA SÉLANDAR SÁMA DVAN. MEN THAT SÁMA DVA... 23 [159/14] THÉR IMMER SÉMIN HÉLADON 24 [163/04] ET SÉMENE TO SNORANE 25 [166/06] ALS ALLE FORSTA TO SAMENE 26 [206/08] HÀVON TO SÉMNE ÉNE LEST FORSONNEN 27 [207/05] GVNGON HJA ALSÉMINE RÁWA 28 [207/15] ÉNIS HÉDON HJA TO SÉMINE ÉNE ÉLE FLÁTE WNNEN Dutch: (te-)samen, (te-)saam German: zusammen Danish, Norwegian: sammen Swedish: tilsammans Icelandic: saman French: ensemble Latin: simul English: together ET SÁMA - 2 SÁMA - 22 (2X) AL SAMEN - 13 TO SAMENE - 25 TO SAMNE/ TO SÁMNE - 1,3 AL SÉMEN - 15 ET SÉMENE - 24 SÉMIN - 23 ET SÉMINE - 11,20 TO SÉMINE - 14,17,18,28 AL SÉMINE - 27 ET SÉMNE - 4,5,6,8,19,21 TO SÉMNE - 7,12,26 AT SÉMNE - 9 Dutch: verzamelen German: sammeln Danish: indsamle Swedish: samla Norwegian: samle English: to gather SAMLATH - 10 SÁMNATH - 16 Edited October 27, 2013 by gestur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted October 27, 2013 #4475 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Spelling variety in OLB samen (together), verzamelen (to gather) [page/line] in original manuscript 1 [002/17] JOLDON HJA TO SAMNE 2 [004/12] AS ALL OTHERA ETSÁMA 3 [010/18] THÁ HROP HJU.RA ALLE A FLÍLÁND TO SÁMNE 4 [015/14] BY RÉDUM FON ALLE STÁTA ET SÉMNE 5 [023/15] HROPATH ALLE BURCH.HÉRA ET SÉMNE 6 [023/24] THÀT MIDDELTAL FON ALLE BISLUTA ETSÉMNE 7 [025/18] THA MÉNA MÉNTA THÀT IS AL.ET FOLK TO SÉMNE 8 [029/27] SA HWERSA THÉR SWETHNATA ET SÉMNE KYVA 9 [034/27] VMBE SIN KIDDE AT SÉMNE TO HALDANDE 10 [052/29] THÁ WRDON KRAFTA SAMLATH 11 [054/22] AL VSA GÁSTON ET SÉMINE 12 [077/11] AS ALLE OTHERA PRESTUM TO SÉMNE 13 [084/10] ALSAMEN WITH FRYDOM KÀMPA ÀND WOXELJA 14 [096/23] HJRA MOD IS LIK BÉDE TO SÉMINE 15 [097/09] BINT HJU ALSÉMEN AN EN SPINHROK FEST 16 [101/03] BÜRATH ÀND SÁMNATH ÀND GETTHATH 17 [105/03] THISSA WROCHTON ÀND TOCHTON TO SÉMINE 18 [112/15] FON HVNDRED TO SÉMINE 19 [132/29] SÁ KVMATH THA SIBBA ET SÉMNE 20 [135/25] HJA BIRÉDON ET SÉMINE 21 [145/14] WISER ALLE GRÉVA ETSÉMNE 22 [147/18] MITHA SÉLANDAR SÁMA DVAN. MEN THAT SÁMA DVA... 23 [159/14] THÉR IMMER SÉMIN HÉLADON 24 [163/04] ET SÉMENE TO SNORANE 25 [166/06] ALS ALLE FORSTA TO SAMENE 26 [206/08] HÀVON TO SÉMNE ÉNE LEST FORSONNEN 27 [207/05] GVNGON HJA ALSÉMINE RÁWA 28 [207/15] ÉNIS HÉDON HJA TO SÉMINE ÉNE ÉLE FLÁTE WNNEN A fine list ! Similar variants occur in Dutch: samen, tesamen, altesamen. cfr. http://gtb.inl.nl/iW...VMNW&id=ID86392 . In older spelling: zamen, hence gezamenlijk, verzamelen. And as prefix in e.g. samen-spraak, samen-loop, etc. Edited October 27, 2013 by Knul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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