Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[The Puzzler]

We are seeing there is no etymological relationship between the two names, and that is what you are trying to establish..

Maybe you try it with Wakan Tanka? That's a creator god too.

You don't see a comparison between this sort of text and the Hebrew God? But I wont even try to establish it anymore, to me it's glaringly obvious.

The name Yahweh is of the utmost importance to mankind. Yah has no beginning for he always was, Yah has no ending for he always is.

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Hail to all the well-intentioned children of Frya! Through them the earth shall become holy. Learn and announce to the people Wr-alda is the ancient of ancients, for he created all things. Wr-alda is all in all, for he is eternal and everlasting. Wr-alda is omnipresent but invisible, and therefore is called a spirit. All that we can see of him are the created beings who come to life through him and go again, because from Wr-alda all things proceed and return to him. Wr-alda is the beginning and the end. Wr-alda is the only almighty being, because from him all other strength comes, and returns to him. Therefore he alone is the creator, and nothing exists without him

[Abramelin]

Puzz, I remember I once posted a map and accompanying text in the first part of this thread, and it showed/said that ages ago anything east of the Middle East was called India/Indie, including the XXXstans, India, Tibet, Thailand, China.

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Edited June 13, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

You don't see a comparison between this sort of text and the Hebrew God? But I wont even try to establish it anymore, to me it's glaringly obvious.

The name Yahweh is of the utmost importance to mankind. Yah has no beginning for he always was, Yah has no ending for he always is.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/449339

Hail to all the well-intentioned children of Frya! Through them the earth shall become holy. Learn and announce to the people Wr-alda is the ancient of ancients, for he created all things. Wr-alda is all in all, for he is eternal and everlasting. Wr-alda is omnipresent but invisible, and therefore is called a spirit. All that we can see of him are the created beings who come to life through him and go again, because from Wr-alda all things proceed and return to him. Wr-alda is the beginning and the end. Wr-alda is the only almighty being, because from him all other strength comes, and returns to him. Therefore he alone is the creator, and nothing exists without him

Of course I see the similarity, and I even said that, when reading the OLB, some parts appear to come directly from the Bible (read about Gosa).

But that was not your initial point: you tried to establish an etymological connection between Yahweh and Wralda.

[Otharus]

But if it was used in general, and not as a name, it would have had an article.

I don't say it was not used as a name, just that it may not have been poining to one specific (is-) land.

Different authors may have had different things in their minds.

We simply don't know.

It is like Zeeland, Sealand. It can be the Dutch province, New Zealand, or part of Denmark, or ...?

[The Puzzler]

Actually it says felo slachta Findas indicating - Finda's family (race) - so they probably are Findas people, but again, Finda's people seem to go from Twiskland all the way East.

[Abramelin]

Actually it says felo slachta Findas indicating - Finda's family (race) - so they probably are Findas people, but again, Finda's people seem to go from Twiskland all the way East.

No, they managed to travel through Twiskland, after its forests had burned down, the forests that had always protected the Fryans.

[The Puzzler]

Puzz, I remember I once posted a map and accompanying text in the first part of this thread, and it showed/said that ages ago anything east of the Middle East was called India/Indie, including the XXXstans, India, Tibet, Thailand, China.

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Yes, but that doesn't explain anything... Aldland imo could be anywhere East of Twiskland, not necessarily in the heart of Findasland.

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Yes, based on the first part of their name - Yah and WR - I'm not bogging down with it anymore here for now though, I have no proof but that is what I think.

[The Puzzler]

No, they managed to travel through Twiskland, after its forests had burned down, the forests that had always protected the Fryans.

Yes, but they were on the other side of Twiskland all the time, the Finda's people that is.

on the other side we were hedged in by the broad Twiskland (Tusschenland, Duitschland), through which the Finda people dared not come on account of the thick forests and the wild beasts.

What indicates Aldland is really in 'the heart of Findasland' being the birthplace of Finda, near the Ganges, like you always say it is?

Edited June 13, 2012 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

I don't say it was not used as a name, just that it may not have been pointing to one specific (is-) land.

Different authors may have had different things in their minds.

We simply don't know.

It is like Zeeland, Sealand. It can be the Dutch province, New Zealand, or part of Denmark, or ...?

Yaeh, I think I messed things a bit up in that post.

Anyway, Aldland was supposed to be the homeland of the Finda. The Finda are being described as 'yellow with the manes of a horse'. So they are what we now call Mongolians (or whatever is politically correct nowadays).

It could also point to Native Americans and/or the Inuit.

And one thing is certain: the Americas are far away from Europe. But if that is true, then how did they manage to show up in Pakistan? Even if they lived on Plato's Atlantis in the Atlantic, then still it doesn't sound likely they would flee from Atlantis and sail all around Africa or South America and settle somewhere in the Punjab/Kashmir.

[Abramelin]

Yes, but they were on the other side of Twiskland all the time, the Finda's people that is.

on the other side we were hedged in by the broad Twiskland (Tusschenland, Duitschland), through which the Finda people dared not come on account of the thick forests and the wild beasts.

What indicates Aldland is really in 'the heart of Findasland' being the birthplace of Finda, near the Ganges, like you always say it is?

So they lived east of Twiskland. But how far east or south-east?

And I have explained why I think Aldland is somewhere near the Himalaya: it's what the Finda there told the Geertmen: that their homeland was there, that that's where they originated.

[Abramelin]

So they lived east of Twiskland. But how far east or south-east?

And I have explained why I think Aldland is somewhere near the Himalaya: it's what the Finda there told the Geertmen: that their homeland was there, that that's where they originated.

Vnder tha Hindos aend ôthera ut-a lôndum sind welka ljuda mank thêr an stilnise by malkorum kvma. Se gelâvath thet se vnforbastere bern Findas sind. Se gelâvath thet Finda fon ut-et Himmellaeja berchta bern is, hvanâ se mith hjara bern nêi tha delta jeftha lêgte togen is. Welke vnder tham gelâvath thet se mith hjra bern vppet skum thêr hêlige Gongga del gonggen is. Thêrvmbe skolde thi runstrâme hêlige Gongga hêta.

Among the Hindoos and others out of these countries there are people who meet together secretly. They believe that they are pure children of Finda, and that Finda was born in the Himmellaia mountains, whence she went with her children to the lowlands. Some of them believe that she, with her children, floated down upon the foam of the Ganges, and that that is the reason why the river is called the Sacred Ganges.

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[The Puzzler]

Vnder tha Hindos aend ôthera ut-a lôndum sind welka ljuda mank thêr an stilnise by malkorum kvma. Se gelâvath thet se vnforbastere bern Findas sind. Se gelâvath thet Finda fon ut-et Himmellaeja berchta bern is, hvanâ se mith hjara bern nêi tha delta jeftha lêgte togen is. Welke vnder tham gelâvath thet se mith hjra bern vppet skum thêr hêlige Gongga del gonggen is. Thêrvmbe skolde thi runstrâme hêlige Gongga hêta.

Among the Hindoos and others out of these countries there are people who meet together secretly. They believe that they are pure children of Finda, and that Finda was born in the Himmellaia mountains, whence she went with her children to the lowlands. Some of them believe that she, with her children, floated down upon the foam of the Ganges, and that that is the reason why the river is called the Sacred Ganges.

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Yes but why does this indicate this is where Aldland was? Just because this is the pure children of Finda, Findas people covered a large area.

[Abramelin]

Yes but why does this indicate this is where Aldland was? Just because this is the pure children of Finda, Findas people covered a large area.

The OLB says Aldland was the homeland of the Finda (or better: the land of birth of their 'Mother', Finda).

So, if you combine that with what these people near the Himilayas told the Geertmen, then Aldland must be located near the Himalayas.

And I was about to edit my former post, but I better add it here:

When you read the OLB, the Fryans were always eager to notice some false or erroneous belief in the peoples they encountered.

But did any Geertman correct these Finda?

And they may have covered a large area, but that was after they spread out... from their homeland.

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Edited June 13, 2012 by Abramelin

[Otharus]

The first version of the 'Book of Adela Followers' was supposedly compiled 1600 years 'after Aldland sank'.

How much do WE know of what happened 1600 years ago?!

[Abramelin]

The first version of the 'Book of Adela Followers' was supposedly compiled 1600 years 'after Aldland sank'.

How much do WE know of what happened 1600 years ago?!

By reading what the ancient Greek and Roman authors wrote down, quite a lot.

And it's because of the Muslim Arabs that we know of these works: they started translating anything they found of ancient Greek and Roman texts.

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Edited June 13, 2012 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

OK. Just about Otharus' posts too - aldland in Fryan has no capital indicating a proper place name either...yeah, it's a tricky one but it does seem that Aldland is where the Finns came from, and they are of Findas race, then Findas race as being yellow etc - just wanted to really be sure. One other thing is, many lands were actually submerged too, not just Aldland or ald-land...

During three years this continued, but at length it ceased, and forests became visible. Many countries were submerged

In early times almost all the Finns lived together in their native land, which was called Aldland, and is now submerged. They were thus far away, and we had no wars. When they were driven hitherwards, and appeared as robbers, then arose the necessity of defending ourselves, and we had armies, kings, and wars.

For all this there were established regulations, and out of the regulations came fixed laws.

In êra tyda hêmadon Findas folk mêst algadur invr hjara moders ba^erta-lând, mit nôma ald-lând that nw vnder-ne sê lêith; hja wêron thus fêr-of, thêrvmbe nêdon wi âk nên orloch, tha hja vrdrêven send a^end hêinda kêmon to râwane, thâ kêm-er fon selva lândwêr hêrmanna kêninggar a^end orloch, vr altham kêmon setma a^end uta setma kêmon- êwa.

Edited June 13, 2012 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

OK. Just about Otharus' posts too - aldland in Fryan has no capital indicating a proper place name either...yeah, it's a tricky one but it does seem that Aldland is where the Finns came from, and they are of Findas race, then Findas race as being yellow etc - just wanted to really be sure. One other thing is, many lands were actually submerged too, not just Aldland or ald-land...

During three years this continued, but at length it ceased, and forests became visible. Many countries were submerged

In early times almost all the Finns lived together in their native land, which was called Aldland, and is now submerged. They were thus far away, and we had no wars. When they were driven hitherwards, and appeared as robbers, then arose the necessity of defending ourselves, and we had armies, kings, and wars.

For all this there were established regulations, and out of the regulations came fixed laws.

In êra tyda hêmadon Findas folk mêst algadur invr hjara moders ba^erta-lând, mit nôma ald-lând that nw vnder-ne sê lêith; hja wêron thus fêr-of, thêrvmbe nêdon wi âk nên orloch, tha hja vrdrêven send a^end hêinda kêmon to râwane, thâ kêm-er fon selva lândwêr hêrmanna kêninggar a^end orloch, vr altham kêmon setma a^end uta setma kêmon- êwa.

You use "Finns" in your translation (which is Sandbach's). As you can see for yourself, FINDAS is used in the original text.

And for the rest: all I can say is that Aldland was the original homeland of the Finda, and that it was far away from Fryan territory.

So anything lying at the North Sea coast or Baltic coast or Mediterranean coast can not be it.

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EDIT:

About not using a capital: the OLB is in capitals only.

Or better NO use of capitals or lowercase. All the letters in the OLB are of the same format.

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Edited June 13, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Btw Puzz, a word of advice if you don't mind: you better copy and paste to Notepad first before you paste your quotes in a post here.

After the update anything you copy from some website gets exactly copied, including letter type, fontsize and color. And active links (as you can see when you copy directly from Wiki and paste it here).

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[The Puzzler]

You use "Finns" in your translation (which is Sandbach's). As you can see for yourself, FINDAS is used in the original text.

And for the rest: all I can say is that Aldland was the original homeland of the Finda, and that it was far away from Fryan territory.

So anything lying at the North Sea coast or Baltic coast or Mediterranean coast can not be it.

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EDIT:

About not using a capital: the OLB is in capitals only.

Or better NO use of capitals or lowercase. All the letters in the OLB are of the same format.

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Yes, OK, Findas in original text.

All capitals, lol, yes I spose it is.

By the way, this Emude must be East of Staveren...

Fryso remained with his people at Staveren, which they made again into a port as well as they could. Wichhirte went with his people eastwards to the Emude.

Just to disect some more - the Magyar may not be Finda's people - only the Finns, who were the people with no name in subjection to them. You have the pure children of Finda BUT THE PRIESTS WHO CAME FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY. They have churches these fat, rich priests - they sound alot like the Magy, who may not be Findas children nor are they Finns.

The mountains in which their sources lie are so high that they reach the heavens (laia), and therefore these mountains are called Himmellaia. Among the Hindoos and others out of these countries there are people who meet together secretly. They believe that they are pure children of Finda, and that Finda was born in the Himmellaia mountains, whence she went with her children to the lowlands. Some of them believe that she, with her children, floated down upon the foam of the Ganges, and that that is the reason why the river is called the Sacred Ganges. But the priests, who came from another country, traced out these people and had them burnt, so that they do not dare to declare openly their creed. In this country all the priests are fat and rich. In their churches there are all kinds of monstrous images, many of them of gold. To the west of the Punjab are the Yren (Iraniers), or morose (Drangianen), the Gedrosten (Gedrosiers), or runaways, and the Urgetten, or forgotten. These names are given by the priests out of spite, because they fled from their customs and religion. On their arrival our forefathers likewise established themselves to the east of the Punjab, but on account of the priests they likewise went to the west. In that way we learned to know the Yren and other people. The Yren are not savages, but good people, who neither pray to nor tolerate images; neither will they suffer priests or churches; but as we adhere to the light of Fasta, so they everywhere maintain fire in their houses

[Abramelin]

Yes, OK, Findas in original text.

All capitals, lol, yes I spose it is.

By the way, this Emude must be East of Staveren...

Fryso remained with his people at Staveren, which they made again into a port as well as they could. Wichhirte went with his people eastwards to the Emude.

Yes, and that is what Knul once said when I suggested Lemmer (Friesland) for the location of "Lumka-makia"): he said it should be located east of Stavoren (he came up with a rock on Helgoland), but Lemmer is indeed almost exactly east of Stavoren.

As you may remember, Lemmer is located near the mouth ('mude') of a small river called "Ee" (which is no more).

Edited June 13, 2012 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

Yes, and that is what Knul once said when I suggested Lemmer (Friesland) for the location of "Lumka-makia"): he said it should be located east of Stavoren (he came up with a rock on Helgoland), but Lemmer is indeed almost exactly east of Stavoren.

As you may remember, Lemmer is located near the mouth ('mude') of a small river called "Ee" (which is no more).

Yeah, I reckon Lemmer must be it then, unless it doesn't exist anymore but it seems to fit the best and I could imagine this area as part of the Flyland, from those old maps, showing Flyland area as coming quite far down.

Edited June 13, 2012 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

Yeah, I reckon Lemmer must be it then, unless it doesn't exist anymore but it seems to fit the best and I could imagine this area as part of the Flyland, from those old maps, showing Flyland area as coming quite far down.

Oh, it still exists allright, but as far as I know, it's not 2300 years old (or older).

But the first known name for this place is from the 12th century: Lammerbroeke.

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Edited June 13, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

I asked Frya for support: we have to play against those "Saxmannar" this evening.

I 'sacrified' a typical Magyar thing: palinka (and I hope that drinking it is as of much value as burning that godly drink).

You see, Frya's cart is being pulled by a couple of Dutch lions, and she's holding a football in her hands:

This should work.

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Edited June 13, 2012 by Abramelin

[Otharus]

By reading what the ancient Greek and Roman authors wrote down, quite a lot.

I meant

How much do WE know of what happened here (in NW Europe) 1600 years ago?

That is a rhethorical question.

We hardly know anything.

[Abramelin]

I meant

How much do WE know of what happened here (in NW Europe) 1600 years ago?

That is a rhethorical question.

We hardly know anything.

We know, by what we read.

But what do you really mean: some oral tradition?

The Fryans were supposed to know of their history by reading the chronicles.

In what way is that different from how we learn about ancient history now??

The OLB tells us laws and history were inscribed on the walls of their citadels.

So they had this chronicle and if not, they could read their history from those walls.

We do the same: we read books about our own history.

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Edited June 13, 2012 by Abramelin