Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[The Puzzler]

The etymology of the name "Chatti" is very questionable

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It could even have been a Celtic word, meaning something like "hated"....

http://www.dbnl.org/...501_01_0010.php

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Maybe - but why not a Frisian root word...?

katte - cat - yes but how about a reference to this:

kattere 1, kettere, katter-e, ketter-e, afries., M.: nhd. Ketzer, Sodomit; ne. heretic (M.), Sodomite; Hw.: s. ketter; Q.: Jur; I.: Lw. gr. καθαρός (katharós); E.: s. gr. καθαρός (katharós),

Serious heretics, pagans, non-believers.

[The Puzzler]

He seems to be saying to me that at year 538 AD , the Pope and Justinian , in accordance with Hindu re-calculations re-numbered the years....so 753BC , the year they say Rome was founded, was really only 753 years before 538 AD (which they are secretly now going to use as year zero......so Rome was really only founded in year 215 BC..................It seems to me this could have some bearing on why there seems to be gaps ( per velikovsky in greek history /maybe Egyptian dating).could be a reason that people lost all interest in the dating of historic writing (because it was in such a mess , dating wise no one but the church knew what was written/happened when ??) and why we had to have a renaissance , to re-visit the problem.....and Joseph Justus Scaliger to make a 1600's attempt to make sense of the whole situation ???..........but i have probably understood it all wrong........Help!

Sounds as though they are saying year 538AD became Year 0, interesting but not really sure what it's all about, so I'm not much help...

[The Puzzler]

Van Gorp found this image of the Baudecet plate:

The text is from the middle of the second century CE. No one really knows what language it is, although some have assumed it was Celtic. It was found in Namur (Namen), Belgium. Others say no one really has an idea what language it is, and from a book I gathered it might be from the (almost mythical) "Nordwest Block" which used a language that was somewhere inbetween Celtic and Germanic, and might even have antedated these two languages.

If you want physical proof of the OLB, than you should look for these kind of things, and not play around with words to pass time.

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It is interesting and a great find but only so much it can do for the cause at this point. It does look to be inscribed on what is a temple of some kind and does have some similar letters to the OLB - I see A and A with hat, TH (twice in last word), I see the 2 D's, (d and g) plus other regular English letters.

The V might be u or v - but where it has VIII - this might be a Roman numeral number as this seems odd to have in a word (3 x i )

All in all, it does look to have a few OLB letters in it and it may be a Nordwestblock/Fryan associated language, maybe interspersed with some Celtic-Romano by that date of second century AD (ie; numerals)

[Knul]

But now again: please put that aside one moment and give us your opinion about some contents.

If you say the OLB text is possible a fabrication of an erudite person, what about the correctness of the OLB contents, let's take the etymology part for fun?

As Lets were in OLB Latene as in Ver-Latene, far of, verlaten, remote and Slaves were called because in fact they were slave/unfree workers (in contrary to slaves/unfree come from Slaves or some derivation of Roman/Greek root).

Because in germanic root we have many different words in realm of working hard (sloven), going tiresome or move slowly (sloffen), and drag/tow/trail (slepen as in sleeve) outside the mines.

Could it be that this manuscript helps to tackle many dead trails in etymology when following the Roman/Greek track as origin of many words used in Germannic languages?

Meaning Roman/Greek influence in our language is less than mostly is assumed in accepted or 'official' etymology explanations (in fact they hardly explain anything than going back to an uncertain Greek root).

Hence, it could be the otherway round: Greek roots are likely more influenced by a Germanic root.

Hence Greek/Roman culture and history are likely more influenced by Germanic heritage than otherwise.

Let me tell you, that the OLB in my opinion first of all is a literary product, not a history book or whatsoever. The author (according to me Dr. Joast Halbertsma) was not only baptist minister, but a scientist in linguistics as well. Moreover he was a writer of novels and poems with his two brothers. Their stories have been collected in the book Rimen and Teltjes (Rhymes and Tales), which is still populair in Friesland. As a literator the author made use of all sorts of literary ways. First of all he shaped the book as a story of a proto-frisian nation in Celtic times. The story has been built up by letters, notes, laws, poems, etc. Secondly he used various style methods like pseudo-etymology like you mentioned the Letne. There are plenty of them in the OLB, but I am sure you can understand most of them only, if you are a native Frisian/Dutch speaker. A nice example is Allemana (a German tribe), which did not have wives themselves (only men) and ravened their wives from neighbouring peoples. It is a wordplay on alleman, which means in Dutch everybody and it reminds to the old custom in certain area's (e.g. Staphorst) in the Nethelands, where brides should be ravened from their father's house. So the author has associations rather than etymologies. Most of the associations get lost in translations. This happens to me, when I read Shakespeaere or Dante or when I look at an American comedian. So don't take his etymologies too serious.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Knul

[Knul]

He certainly did have the knowledge and drive to create something like the OLB.

I absolutely do not agree with you. His letters to Verwijs have been corrected by a local schoolmaster of his kids, later his letters to Ottema have been written by his son Leendert ( signature w.g. L.F. over de Linden). Ottema himself wrote that OCdL did not have the skills nor the education to write something like the OLB. His son Leendert thought the same.

[Van Gorp]

Let me tell you, that the OLB in my opinion first of all is a literary product, not a history book or whatsoever. The author (according to me Dr. Joast Halbertsma) was not only baptist minister, but a scientist in linguistics as well. Moreover he was a writer of novels and poems with his two brothers. Their stories have been collected in the book Rimen and Teltjes (Rhymes and Tales), which is still populair in Friesland. As a literator the author made use of all sorts of literary ways. First of all he shaped the book as a story of a proto-frisian nation in Celtic times. The story has been built up by letters, notes, laws, poems, etc. Secondly he used various style methods like pseudo-etymology like you mentioned the Letne. There are plenty of them in the OLB, but I am sure you can understand most of them only, if you are a native Frisian/Dutch speaker. A nice example is Allemana (a German tribe), which did not have wives themselves (only men) and ravened their wives from neighbouring peoples. It is a wordplay on alleman, which means in Dutch everybody and it reminds to the old custom in certain area's (e.g. Staphorst) in the Nethelands, where brides should be ravened from their father's house. So the author has associations rather than etymologies. Most of the associations get lost in translations. This happens to me, when I read Shakespeaere or Dante or when I look at an American comedian. So don't take his etymologies too serious.

Thnx you took the effort for this reply.

[The Puzzler]

Let me tell you, that the OLB in my opinion first of all is a literary product, not a history book or whatsoever. The author (according to me Dr. Joast Halbertsma) was not only baptist minister, but a scientist in linguistics as well. Moreover he was a writer of novels and poems with his two brothers. Their stories have been collected in the book Rimen and Teltjes (Rhymes and Tales), which is still populair in Friesland. As a literator the author made use of all sorts of literary ways. First of all he shaped the book as a story of a proto-frisian nation in Celtic times. The story has been built up by letters, notes, laws, poems, etc. Secondly he used various style methods like pseudo-etymology like you mentioned the Letne. There are plenty of them in the OLB, but I am sure you can understand most of them only, if you are a native Frisian/Dutch speaker. A nice example is Allemana (a German tribe), which did not have wives themselves (only men) and ravened their wives from neighbouring peoples. It is a wordplay on alleman, which means in Dutch everybody and it reminds to the old custom in certain area's (e.g. Staphorst) in the Nethelands, where brides should be ravened from their father's house. So the author has associations rather than etymologies. Most of the associations get lost in translations. This happens to me, when I read Shakespeaere or Dante or when I look at an American comedian. So don't take his etymologies too serious.

The problem I see with your reasoning here is that the word Alemanni was around way before Dutch language meaning of 'everybody'.

The term comes from an earlier word source.

According to Asinius Quadratus (quoted in the mid-6th century by Byzantine historian Agathias) their name means "all men". It indicates that they were a conglomeration drawn from various Germanic tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemanni

[Van Gorp]

The problem I see with your reasoning here is that the word Alemanni was around way before Dutch language meaning of 'everybody'.

The term comes from an earlier word source.

According to Asinius Quadratus (quoted in the mid-6th century by Byzantine historian Agathias) their name means "all men". It indicates that they were a conglomeration drawn from various Germanic tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemanni

Nice input.

[Van Gorp]

My idea: it is THE smoking gun.

I don't really care what was really first:

- All man (without wives)

or everybody

Point is the word is constituted of 'ALL Men' and Roman texts used the word as a given name for a tribe in their creoloer version without meaning in Roman language.

Point is: it has meaning in German languages, not in Roman.

Very unlikely this is the only case. Just the most blatant.

[Ott]

The author (according to me Dr. Joast Halbertsma) ...

Knul, you might improve your theory by giving explanations/ answers to the following problems/ questions concerning the Halbertsma thesis:

IF Halbertsma would have written the OLB,

1) it would have been more than a masterpiece and he would have known that. He would have wanted the honour. His family would have known that he had worked on it.

2) he would have included Hindelopen, which he was convinced to be the most pristine Frisian city.

3) why would the family Over de Linden (Ovira Linda, Oera Linda) have been included?

4) how would it have gotten into the hands over Over de Linden and/ or Stadermann?

[NO-ID-EA]

My idea: it is THE smoking gun.

I don't really care what was really first:

- All man (without wives)

or everybody

Point is the word is constituted of 'ALL Men' and Roman texts used the word as a given name for a tribe in their creoloer version without meaning in Roman language.

Point is: it has meaning in German languages, not in Roman.

Very unlikely this is the only case. Just the most blatant.

What is the significance of " All Men" as far as you see it then VG ??

[Van Gorp]

What is the significance of " All Men" as far as you see it then VG ??

Well, if you ask me I think it has the significance of grouping together in order to fight.

As could be used (sorry for Dutch expression, but by this I can express myself the best): "Alle man daarheen!" (Let's unite all men over the different fractions and go to battle a common enemy).

Simply stated without the complex history of how it all could have transpired, I think they were the formed conglomerate of different Germanic soldiers (hence 'only men', hence also the description of alleman as 'everybody in the mix') to fight a common enemy and remained living in the forests forming some 'veterans of war' community if you like.

What is interersting though, is that OLB states they gave themselves this name, but WIKI states otherwise

"Walafrid Strabo, a monk of the Abbey of St. Gall writing in the 9th century, remarked, in discussing the people of Switzerland and the surrounding regions, that only foreigners called them the Alemanni, but that they gave themselves the name of Suebi."

If the monk is right I suppose those 'foreigners' could explain why they called them Allemani :-)

And as we know from Puzzler her quote it was known very early that it means 'all men', so the ?foreigners? (as opposed to the Germanic tribe) talked the same language?

Or is the monk trowing some sand in our eyes? I wonder why both OLB and monk need to explicitly say the contrary about who called them like that.

Why should you überhaupt stress this fact if you didn't think it was relevant?

[NO-ID-EA]

Thanks VG...... i get what you are saying.....maybe Germans/Allemani are not originally one nation but a group that came together to fight together ..yes?

could they also be this group of people that escaped from Phoenicians (i still wonder about Roman/Rowmen slaves)they are said to have fled without their women folk , deciding to find wives among the people of the lands they found refuge in ??

or even mercenary type soldiers who decided to leave/rebel against the romans (say like the Batavi did ) if a large group defected , they would all come back without women ??

Edited January 21, 2014 by NO-ID-EA

[Van Gorp]

Thanks VG...... i get what you are saying.....maybe Germans/Allemani are not originally one nation but a group that came together to fight together ..yes?

Yes, I think it is clear from different sources that the term for the nation what is now called Germany/Allemagne is just a re-use to determine a modern nation but not necessarely akin to the idea for the original meaning. It would be sad that such a vast territory as modern Germany would be inhabited with only man :-)

Meaning Germans are in fact not to be equalled with Alamani, Alamani were a subset living (in my opinion) in the forests of Bavaria.

Could be very well that they have also acted as mercenaries.

You know what I think can be the really Original idea behind the namegiving?

"Mannenbond", this is a documented and known Germanic phenomenan being a brotherhood type association of young man, (with rituals, initiations in the forests) of which Masonry can be the more modern outcome.

Some defintion where you can see familyrelations matter less (alleman, conglomerate), but loyalty to the group is central. Ideal as a group of mercenaries.

"Territorial grouping of sexually mature male youth who are able to contribute with their arms and have their own cult and a specific social function. The social bonding of this group is not the family relationship, but belonging to a particular gender and age group."

http://www.nederland...enbondmeier.htm

Settled in Bavarian forests it could be very well possible this is the reason that the extended area which later on formed one nation is than called Allemania.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Van Gorp

[Van Gorp]

And the biggest joke (sorry French comrades) is that from all people it must be a Romanised flok who uses Allemagne (a Germanic word with no meaning in Roman languages)to speak about Germany :-)

Second biggest joke is that we as Germanic speaking flok have forgotten (and sometimes even can't believe) what the meaning is of the Germanic words used as given name by the Romans. We are that well educated and versed by Roman history that we don't even consider anymore the fact that 'THEY' use our words, even when we don't use them ourselves anymore.

So: all Germans (and i don't mean people living in Germany in the world: learn your history again and put away the Roman tekst books :-)

[Mario Dantas]

The problem I see with your reasoning here is that the word Alemanni was around way before Dutch language meaning of 'everybody'.

The term comes from an earlier word source.

According to Asinius Quadratus (quoted in the mid-6th century by Byzantine historian Agathias) their name means "all men". It indicates that they were a conglomeration drawn from various Germanic tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemanni

Hello Puzzler,

just throwing my 50p...

Regarding the word "Alemmani" (after reading your post), i thought it an interesting connection with the Germanic "Mannus" perhaps? in the sense that being the forefather of, at least, three Germanic tribes, the term could mean that Germanic tribes were descendants of this figure Mannus? Allmannus and Alemmani are close as far as i can tell and even the double m makes sense to me.

Mannus is a Germanic mythological figure attested by the 1st century AD Roman historian Tacitus in his work Germania. According to Tacitus, Mannus is the son of Tuisto and the progenitor of the three Germanic tribes Ingaevones, Herminonesand Istvaeones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannus

Tacitus' account

In ancient lays, their only type of historical tradition, they celebrate Tuisto, a god brought forth from the earth. They attribute to him a son, Mannus, the source and founder of their people, and to Mannus three sons, from whose names those nearest the Ocean are called Ingvaeones, those in the middle Herminones, and the rest Istvaeones. Some people, inasmuch as antiquity gives free rein to speculation, maintain that there were more sons born from the god and hence more tribal designations—Marsi, Gambrivii, Suebi, and Vandilii—and that those names are genuine and ancient."

Etymology

The name of this deity or mythological ancestor means human or man (i.e. Homo sapiens).^{[citation needed]} It is thought^{[by whom?]} to stem from the same root as the name of the figure Manu in Hindu tradition, who is held to be the progenitor of humanity, first holy king to rule this earth who saves mankind, the Vedas and the priesthood from the universal flood.^{[citation needed]}

Furthermore, Mannus is even thought to be also the father of Frey and Freya...

Related figures

In the Eddas, Mannus seems to most closely resemble Heimdall (World's Brightness). In the opening passage of the Voluspa, men are referred to as being Heimdall's kin, while in the poem Rigsthula he is shown uniting each of the hierarchal ranks in siblinghood. Furthermore, while Mannus is remembered as being the father of both Odin and Frey, Heimdall is remembered as being one of the Aesir, but also to have qualities directly linked to the Vanir and to exist in a close paternal relationship to Freyja.

In Eddaic Creation, Mannus occupies the same stead as Borr, ie. a god (Tuisto, Buri), begets a god (Mannus, Borr), begets a trio of brother gods (Ing-Irmin-Istaev, Odin-Vili-Ve).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannus

Regards,

Mario Dantas

Edited January 22, 2014 by Mario Dantas

[Mario Dantas]

Allmannus and Alemmani are close as far as i can tell and even the double m makes sense to me.

Actually, i was mistaken about the double m in both Alemmani and Mannus (in Mannus it is actually a double n). Nevertheless, a clear similarity between the two words remains, in my opinion.

[Knul]

Thanks VG...... i get what you are saying.....maybe Germans/Allemani are not originally one nation but a group that came together to fight together ..yes?

could they also be this group of people that escaped from Phoenicians (i still wonder about Roman/Rowmen slaves)they are said to have fled without their women folk , deciding to find wives among the people of the lands they found refuge in ??

or even mercenary type soldiers who decided to leave/rebel against the romans (say like the Batavi did ) if a large group defected , they would all come back without women ??

In the OLB the Saxons (north), Twisklandar (middle) and Allamani (south) are treated as different groups, not as one nation. The Gertmanna are no Germans, but people from Groningen, neighbouring Friesland like they did in the Punjabi and as sea-warriors under Demetrius. Formerly, the OLB says, they lived in Athens, had a burchfam Gert and still kept the old (Frisian) customs. Ottema first shared this view, but changed later to Germans. Big mistake.

[Van Gorp]

In the OLB the Saxons (north), Twisklandar (middle) and Allamani (south) are treated as different groups, not as one nation. The Gertmanna are no Germans, but people from Groningen, neighbouring Friesland like they did in the Punjabi and as sea-warriors under Demetrius. Formerly, the OLB says, they lived in Athens, had a burchfam Gert and still kept the old (Frisian) customs. Ottema first shared this view, but changed later to Germans. Big mistake.

Hi Knul, what was again the reason why the Gertmanna can be connected with the Groningers?

Are there folk legends in Groningen about Gert or so? Did the Groningers had a part in VOC who settled in Kerman?

Just guessing, maybe you can clear up for me.

[Van Gorp]

About the Kerman region Iran (also known as Germania it is stated sometimes), this is a coincidence.

http://www.teheran.i...php?article1823

La citadelle Dokhtar (la Citadelle Fille) : Construite en 220 av. J.-C. par Ardeshir, cette citadelle se dresse au nord-est de la ville de Kermân. A l’origine nommée Gavâshir ou Citadelle de Montagne, elle n’est plus connue que sous le nom de Dokhtar (Fille), qui ferait référence au fait qu’elle n’a jamais été prise.

For people not understanding French: in bold means the Citadel is called 'Daughter'.

The quote about Gert in OLB goes: "GERT. PIRE.HIS TOGHATER"...

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Maybe this all is allready mentionned in the monumental story here, for me new.

See it then as a relevant summary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qal'eh_Dokhtar

Qal'eh Dokhtar (Persian: قلعه دختر‎, "The Maiden Castle"), is a castle made by Ardashir I, in present day Kerman, Iran, in 209 AD. It is located on a mountain slope near the Firouzabad-Kerman road.

Firouzabad can be read as Pyres-bed :-)

Edited January 23, 2014 by Van Gorp

[The Puzzler]

Actually, i was mistaken about the double m in both Alemmani and Mannus (in Mannus it is actually a double n). Nevertheless, a clear similarity between the two words remains, in my opinion.

Thanks for the input Mario.

Might just be two references to a common word, man.

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The Alamanni imo are so named as said - they are a tribe of all-men from the larger part of Germanic Suebi peoples. They were soldiers who fought the Romans, that is why there was no women in their particular group. I believe this etymology is correct.

In 259/60, a group of Suebi appear to have been the main element in the formation of a new tribal alliance known as the Alamanni who came to occupy the Roman frontier region known as the Agri Decumates, east of the Rhine and south of the Main. The Alamanni were sometimes simply referred to as Suebi by contemporaries, and the region came to be known as Swabia - a name which survives to this day. People in this region of Germany are still called Schwaben, a name derived from the Suebi.

These Suebi for the most part stayed on the right bank of the Rhine until December 31 406, when much of the tribe joined the Vandals and Alans in breaching the Roman frontier by crossing the Rhine, perhaps at Mainz, thus launching an invasion of northern Gaul.

Other Suebi apparently remained in or near to the original homeland areas near the Elbe and the modern Czech Republic, occasionally still being referred to by this term. They expanded eventually into Roman areas such as Switzerland, Austria, and Bavaria, possibly pushed by groups arriving from the east.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi

Edited January 25, 2014 by The Puzzler

[Knul]

Hi Knul, what was again the reason why the Gertmanna can be connected with the Groningers?

Are there folk legends in Groningen about Gert or so? Did the Groningers had a part in VOC who settled in Kerman?

Just guessing, maybe you can clear up for me.

I have mentioned some of them, but I can add that the Gertmanna after the death of Alexander the Great returned home together with Friso. The Gertmanna wished to stay in the area of Stavoren, but Friso did not agree, so they moved on to the river Lauwers (or even to the river Eems), where they founded Grenega (Groningen). The river Lauwers divides Friesland from Groningen, the Eems divides East-Frisia from Ostfriesland (Germany). Besides if you look at the names in the last part of the OLB you find e.g. Ludgert (who was a bishop Liudger, who baptized the East-Frisians), Gosa-Makonta (Goffe, Gosse like Gosse Jensma), a typical name in East-Frisia, etc.

The author of the OLB says, that he did not deal much with the people from East-Frisia (Groningen). In fact the Frisians were angry that their university at Franeker had been closed, when Groningen got a new university. The anti-Groningen sentiment is still there in Friesland.

Groningen participated in the Hanze, not in the VOC.

Edited January 25, 2014 by Knul

[NO-ID-EA]

Re a book Abe has mentioned a few times on here called the "Chronicles of Eri"..... i came into contact with a guy who is writing a book about O'Connor and all the trials and tribulations he came up against while writing it...it sounds as though he (O'Connor ) came up against the same sort of establishment rejection , and claims of falsifying the truth that our men did with OLB .

Here is Guys link ....i think some of you may be very interested in reading it.....O'Connor actually became imprisoned on trumped up Government charges before they were finally dropped in a court of law after a new law of Habius Corpus came into being .... O'Connor had been taken out of prison in Ireland and transferred to a Prison in Scotland.....which for reasons of law i dont fully understand meant he was unable to get a trial , but his friend Francis Burdett ( member of Parliament ) seems to have got a new law of Habeas Corpus enacted to mean the British Government had to bring him back for a hearing.and all charges in connection with a mail coach robbery were thrown out as totally spurious.lots of other good stuff ...let me know what you think....it has made me start to re-read O'connors book in a new light.

http://www.eolus.esy.es

If anyone read in my post no #4974 , re the book that explains the years that the author says the Romans made to disappear after following the new Hindu Astronomical calculations .the writers introduction also tells his story , that although he was a long time member of the Asiatic Society , and well respected in his field , he was savagely attacked as a fool and a charlatan for his book, with people writing to newspapers , and reviews in opposition to him , even though he could prove the things he wrote , he suffered professionally , and his health badly deteriorated due , he says to the vicious attacks on him.

Edited January 26, 2014 by NO-ID-EA

[Van Gorp]

I have mentioned some of them, but I can add that the Gertmanna after the death of Alexander the Great returned home together with Friso. The Gertmanna wished to stay in the area of Stavoren, but Friso did not agree, so they moved on to the river Lauwers (or even to the river Eems), where they founded Grenega (Groningen). The river Lauwers divides Friesland from Groningen, the Eems divides East-Frisia from Ostfriesland (Germany). Besides if you look at the names in the last part of the OLB you find e.g. Ludgert (who was a bishop Liudger, who baptized the East-Frisians), Gosa-Makonta (Goffe, Gosse like Gosse Jensma), a typical name in East-Frisia, etc.

The author of the OLB says, that he did not deal much with the people from East-Frisia (Groningen). In fact the Frisians were angry that their university at Franeker had been closed, when Groningen got a new university. The anti-Groningen sentiment is still there in Friesland.

Groningen participated in the Hanze, not in the VOC.

Okay nice info, some things are still not clear to me though. Must be the late our ...

Why link specificly Groningers than with settlement in Kerman (+Hanzebond did not come there right?) and how come 'Gert' is choosen to link these Groningers with the Gertmannen.

The anti-Groningen sentiment in Friesland would have inspired OLB author to incorporate this in his tale, while at the same OLB also mentions Groningers to settle in Kerman?

Than the OLB hints at the historical tale of Groningers to settle in Kerman and at the same time hints at the anti-Groningen sentiment of the Fryans against these Geertmannen (Groningers)?

Maybe it all makes sense somewhere, I'm not that versed in Frisian/Groninger sentiments or history but still I have difficulties to follow what the use of this all could be.

[Van Gorp]

Re a book Abe has mentioned a few times on here called the "Chronicles of Eri"..... i came into contact with a guy who is writing a book about O'Connor and all the trials and tribulations he came up against while writing it...it sounds as though he (O'Connor ) came up against the same sort of establishment rejection , and claims of falsifying the truth that our men did with OLB .

Here is Guys link ....i think some of you may be very interested in reading it.....O'Connor actually became imprisoned on trumped up Government charges before they were finally dropped in a court of law after a new law of Habius Corpus came into being .... O'Connor had been taken out of prison in Ireland and transferred to a Prison in Scotland.....which for reasons of law i dont fully understand meant he was unable to get a trial , but his friend Francis Burdett ( member of Parliament ) seems to have got a new law of Habeas Corpus enacted to mean the British Government had to bring him back for a hearing.and all charges in connection with a mail coach robbery were thrown out as totally spurious.lots of other good stuff ...let me know what you think....it has made me start to re-read O'connors book in a new light.

http://www.eolus.esy.es

If anyone read in my post no #4974 , re the book that explains the years that the author says the Romans made to disappear after following the new Hindu Astronomical calculations .the writers introduction also tells his story , that although he was a long time member of the Asiatic Society , and well respected in his field , he was savagely attacked as a fool and a charlatan for his book, with people writing to newspapers , and reviews in opposition to him , even though he could prove the things he wrote , he suffered professionally , and his health badly deteriorated due , he says to the vicious attacks on him.

Certainly will look at it, thnx.

Abe said he was reading a lot off line, maybe about this subject?