Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[The Puzzler]

Still don't get the point really, but the link provided me some new insights. Thanks for that.

hlapa - oldfrisian

hleapan - oldenglish

hlopan - oldsaxon

hlaufan - oldgerman

hlaupa - icelandic

løpe, laupe - norse

leypa - faroese

løbe - danish

löpa - swedish (means also: to be prepared for copulation)

lopen - dutch

laufen - german

leap, lope - english

ljeppe - frisian

Although the meanings vary between to walk, run, jump, it is clear how much these languages are related and have the same origin.

Sometimes maybe I have no point, I guess my mind just makes me type stuff I should keep in my head.

Yes, for sure.

[Abramelin]

Before I forget (I'm in an internet cafe now) I found something funny concerning that evil name in the OLB : Lumka-makia.

Here in the library they sell books that no one ever borrows, or books that are damaged one way or the other.

So, to add to my collection of dictionaries (and books about language in general), I bought a Sarnami-Dutch dictionary for one euro.

Just for fun (which most of this thread is about, fun with language), I tried to look up LUMKA and MAKIA.

Now Sarnami happens to be the Hindi spoken in Surinam by people whose ancestors came from India.

OK, so this is what I found:

LAMKA (also spelled LAMBA) = tall

MAKHIYA/MIKHIYA (not sure about the spelling, I didn't bring the dictionary with me) = important person, leader, boss

Maybe this LAMKA MIKHIYA/MAKHIYA means "tall boss", "big leader", "macho man"or something like that. And this as a name for the place where Wodin lived? Hmm....

If I find something in Chinese I'll let you all now.

MAKHIYA/MIKHIYA (not sure about the spelling)

It should have been: MUKHIYA.

[Abramelin]

and where is this illusive Lumka-Makia? Near the E-mude, and where's the E-mude????

OK, I know we have come up with a hundred answers but I seriously want to locate Lumka Makia.

It seems to me, Lumka Makia is in Denmark. Wodin is an Anglo-Saxon imo and hence why he's so ingrained in Anglo-Saxon mythology.

At Aldergamude there lived an old sea-king whose name was Sterik, and whose deeds were famous. This old fellow had three nephews. Wodin, the eldest, lived at Lumkamakia, near the Eemude, in Oostflyland, with his parents. He had once commanded troops. Teunis and Inka were naval warriors, and were just then staying with their father at Aldergamude. When the young warriors had assembled together, they chose Wodin to be their leader or king, and the naval force chose Teunis for their sea-king and Inka for their admiral. The navy then sailed to Denmark, where they took on board Wodin and his valiant host.

The wind was fair, so they arrived immediately in Schoonland. When the northern brothers met together, Wodin divided his powerful army into three bodies

The E-mude (E river mouth) and Astflyland (Oostflyland) referred to here must also be in Denmark. They sail quite swiftly to Sweden (Schoonland) and the ensuing war where the Kattegat is named occurs.

Noticing Lutke in some Danish names, checked it: strangely co-incidental...

Lothario masc. proper name, Italian form of Old High German Hlothari, Hludher (whence German Luther, French Lothaire), literally "famous warrior," from Old High German lut (see loud) + heri "host, army"

Wodin divided his powerful army into three bodies

lut might be able to have been lum - since luminosity and lit/light/licht both mean similar, could be same... lutke = lumka.....? maybe

Then, it makes sense why this place was named so - maybe when the book was written Wodin had become famous as it says he does and so his home-town became renowned as a warrior maker - the name literally derives from Wodin's fame...? It might not be true Frisian either if it's a name given by people whose language had been changed since they actually didn't live in Frisia but rather East Denmark as Angles and Saxons - therefore the word is even stranger, never heard of it.

lumka might even be a spelling error - I cannot identify this word in any form in any etymology bank., even the umka ending is very odd and hard to pronounce and I cannot even think of another word that has this.

If anywhere, it could be around the area of Denmark that Angles inhabited. Near the Kattegat and adjacent to Sweden.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Eider_(river)

We've been there already. Puzz, but I can't blame you because this threads drags on for ever, lol.

Check "Odense" (in part -1- or -2- of this thread), the place where Odin was supposed to be born according to legend.

It's close to "Schoonland".

[Van Gorp]

We've been there already. Puzz, but I can't blame you because this threads drags on for ever, lol.

Check "Odense" (in part -1- or -2- of this thread), the place where Odin was supposed to be born according to legend.

It's close to "Schoonland".

Joël Vandemaele would have his own view on this I assume. Who can tell more? i don't have his books but will look when some more time.

Maybe one of the reasons why the thread keeps continuing is that for different views something can be said and no definitive conclusion is available.

For instance:

Place of Odin, close to E-mude.

If Odense: where then is the mouth of the river Ee (Aa) in the neighbourhood? Is it Emden, is it Muiden?

For certain there is an area to be connected with the mouth of the river Aa (Emude) in Northern France, near Gravelines and Saint Omar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aa_River_%28France%29

What is striking is that there is another place in the same area: Audinghen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audinghen

"The town was originally named Odingehem, 'home of Odin', by the Vikings who built a temple here dedicated to the Germanic god Odin. Audinghen has been rebuilt several times after being completely destroyed"

So, what is this all about?

Merely coincidence between reality in Northern France (actually historical Diets area taken in by the Gauls) and a Dutch-Frisian hoax?

[The Puzzler]

We've been there already. Puzz, but I can't blame you because this threads drags on for ever, lol.

Check "Odense" (in part -1- or -2- of this thread), the place where Odin was supposed to be born according to legend.

It's close to "Schoonland".

Well see, that can't be right imo. I went all over Denmark and then noticed that wherever Lumka Makia is, Apol is the Grevetman over it, one would think it would be nearer to Stavoren. Although I'm open to suggestions on whether East Flyland can reach to Denmark. Wodin may have just been in Denmark at the time they picked him up.

After that post I said it, that it can't be in Denmark.

Apol, Adela’s husband; three times a sea-king; Grevetman of Ostflyland and Lindaoorden. The towns Liudgarda, Lindahem, and Stavia are under his care.

Apol, Adelas man, Thria iser sêkening wêsen, nw is-er grêvetman over Ast-flylând aend ovir-a Linda-wrda. Tha bvrga Ljvdgârda, Lindahêm, aend Stâvja send vnder sin hod.

Wodin, the eldest, lived at Lumkamakia, near the Eemude, in Oostflyland, with his parents. That's why I went back to Stavoren area and Lemmer.

Wodin thene aldeste hêmde to Lumka-mâkja bi thêre Ê-mude to Ast-flyland by sin eldrum t-us.

Unless Astflyland goes all the way to Denmark..?

summoned all the sailors and the young men from Oostflyland and Denmark.

All those who lived between Denmark and the Sandval, now the Scheldt, were called Stuurlieden (pilots), Zeekampers (naval men), and Angelaren

To confirm, the coastal areas from Staveren side to Denmark must be all East Flyland then, including inlets to Dokkum and Emden.

If we go more North than Lemmer area, I think around Emden is a place that sounds like it. Emude - Older names for Emden are Amuthon, Embda, Emda, and Embden.

Edited July 1, 2014 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

Joël Vandemaele would have his own view on this I assume. Who can tell more? i don't have his books but will look when some more time.

Maybe one of the reasons why the thread keeps continuing is that for different views something can be said and no definitive conclusion is available.

For instance:

Place of Odin, close to E-mude.

If Odense: where then is the mouth of the river Ee (Aa) in the neighbourhood? Is it Emden, is it Muiden?

For certain there is an area to be connected with the mouth of the river Aa (Emude) in Northern France, near Gravelines and Saint Omar.

http://en.wikipedia...._River_(France)

What is striking is that there is another place in the same area: Audinghen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audinghen

"The town was originally named Odingehem, 'home of Odin', by the Vikings who built a temple here dedicated to the Germanic god Odin. Audinghen has been rebuilt several times after being completely destroyed"

So, what is this all about?

Merely coincidence between reality in Northern France (actually historical Diets area taken in by the Gauls) and a Dutch-Frisian hoax?

Is it close to "Schoonland"?

It's not, is it?

[Van Gorp]

Is it close to "Schoonland"?

It's not, is it?

I was first Abe ;-) : what is that all about, what coinicidence and where is the E-mude in Odense?

[The Puzzler]

I was first Abe ;-) : what is that all about, what coinicidence and where is the E-mude in Odense?

Hmm...

Odense is one of Denmark's oldest cities. Archaeological excavations in the vicinity show proof of settlement for over 4,000 years since at least the Stone Age.[3][2] The earliest community was centred on the higher ground between the Odense River to the south and Næsbyhoved Lake (now dry) to the north.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odense

Unless the river passing by Odense and opening into the lake/mare/sea was also an Emude once....

[Van Gorp]

Great!

"The Å River flows through Odense, to the south of the main shopping quarter".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odense

So the logic in this is that the A-river fel into the lake (E-mude), very close to Odense?

Well, Emden is then not the correct interpretation of Emude

and Vikings(and possible Eburones) called only places close to the mouth of a Aa (river) as a sanctuary/home for Odin; for possible explanation of the analogy with Audinghen and France A-river?

To be checked with some names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Wodanaz

[Van Gorp]

Somehow i keep thinking Lumka Makja is related to make available an open space (maybe not only to be interpreted as in a forest but also cultivating, drying swamp or elevating land at the mouth of a river).

Possible to be seen also in name Sint-Omar (mouth of A-river in France): coming from Saint-Odomarus.

Odo-marus -> Odin-moere ?-> moerasgebied, swamp (see "De Moeren" http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Moeren_%28Frankrijk%29

Only thinking out loud :-)

[Van Gorp]

Is E-Mude actually really the mouth of the Aa (E)?

Or is mude to be interpreted as mud (modder)?

"Het dorp Sint-Anna-ter-Muiden (oorspronkelijk Mude = slijkgrond, en niet monding!) dankt zijn ontstaan aan deze dijk."

http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/_bie001196001_01/_bie001196001_01_0043.php

Source says: Original "Mude" = mud, not mouth, used for polders contained by dikes.

Source also relates Mude placenames with Grave/Greve placenames (Gravelines, Grevenisse, Greveninge, ...) -> gravel, kiezelsteen used for dikes?

Remarkabel how both Mude interpreted as A-mouth and mude as polder contained by dikes, can be linked to Gravelines.

[Van Gorp]

On top of this all, "dijk" is also used for "gracht" (channel, ditch).

With some alternative interpretation Grave/Greve placenames can point also to (leem)polder area with many ditches/channels.

To make my own idea complete:

for me Lumka Makja is placename pointing to an area where leempolders (mud/clay polders) are created by man, most possible by many ditches for drainage.

[The Puzzler]

Somehow i keep thinking Lumka Makja is related to make available an open space (maybe not only to be interpreted as in a forest but also cultivating, drying swamp or elevating land at the mouth of a river).

Possible to be seen also in name Sint-Omar (mouth of A-river in France): coming from Saint-Odomarus.

Odo-marus -> Odin-moere ?-> moerasgebied, swamp (see "De Moeren" http://nl.wikipedia....ren_(Frankrijk)

Only thinking out loud :-)

hehe I do that often.

Good thoughts though VG - I do think that it seems that the rivers (A's) and the mouths (mude's) are a common overall name for many of these geological areas of river mouths, deltas etc. What about Aldergamude?

This seems to be a form of Old (the) Mouth - alde-ga-mude - like it was an old/older mude of a river.

Edited July 3, 2014 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

On top of this all, "dijk" is also used for "gracht" (channel, ditch).

With some alternative interpretation Grave/Greve placenames can point also to (leem)polder area with many ditches/channels.

To make my own idea complete:

for me Lumka Makja is placename pointing to an area where leempolders (mud/clay polders) are created by man, most possible by many ditches for drainage.

Mud grave, grates - mud ditches - seem later words with predominant Frankish meaning, also Norman influence is tricky since the Norse roots can underlie a typical French word, I often look for that later layer and mud ditches seems that to me.

Mouth however seems more old Frisian and so I'd stick with mouth as the original concept for mude in fryan.

I do think the area of emden is also likely to have had a place called lumka makia, since like lemmer area, it would be a 'sluggish, looping, lame' area to sail and is an emude, also mentioned in known old place names, based on those things. It's quite north and would be part of astflyland.

However Odense with its river A could be more convincing with more effort maybe.

[The Puzzler]

muth (n.) Also mouthe, moueth, mouthþ, moughth, mought, mougth(e, mou3þ, mou3t, mouhth, mouht, mout(e, mough, (error) mowt3 & muth(e, mud, mudh, (error) muz & moth(e, mo3t & (in place names) moude-, -mude, -muda, -mudan, -muta, -muða, -mutham; pl. mouthes, etc. & (early) muðen, (early pl. gen.) muðene.

3b.

(a) The mouth of a river or bay; a strait leading to a sea; the entrance to a harbor; haven ~ [see haven n.(1) 2. (a)]; ( the entrance to a pit, cave, well, oven, furnace, etc.; also fig.; ~ ston, a stone used to close the entrance to an oven; © the opening of a sack, pot, box, beehive, or other container; the opening of a pastry shell; (d) an opening in the seed pod or capsule of a plant; (e) the bell of a trumpet.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=boolean&rgn1=Etymology&q1=muT

[The Puzzler]

The Oudergouw as Aldegamude..? Read this while Googling.

This is near Enkhuizen.

Sterik lives there and has the northern brothers, except Wodin staying with him, from there they sailed to Denmark.

Does anyone dispute this as the site of Aldergamude?

Came across Makkum, always looking for Lumkamakia variations, so on reading about Makkum, it has an old lime works industry, which lime then sounded like lum, and I originally was thinking it was a place for making something of a 'lumka' type.

Lime making.

North on the astflyland coastal route from Staveren.

So, I wonder if Makkum has any chance of being Lumkamakia..?

Edited July 3, 2014 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

I keep going back to the nordwestblock theory. (Sorry my text editing is so poor, I'm on an iPad...)

The Nordwestblock (English: "Northwest Block"), is a hypothetical cultural region, that several 20th century scholars propose as a prehistoric culture, thought to be roughly bounded by the rivers Meuse, Elbe, Somme and Oise (the present-day Netherlands, Belgium, northern France and western Germany) and possibly the eastern part of England during the Bronze and Iron Ages (3rd to 1st millennia BC, up to the gradual onset of historical sources from the 1st century).

The theory was first proposed by two authors working independently, Hans Kuhn,[1] and Maurits Gysseling, who was partly influenced by Belgian archeologist Siegfried De Laet. Gysseling's proposal included research indicating that another language may have existed somewhere in between Germanic and Celtic in the Belgian (sic) region.[2]

The term itself Nordwestblock was coined by Hans Kuhn,[3] who considered the inhabitants of this area neither Germanic nor Celtic, thus attributing to the people a distinct ethnicity or culture. According to Kuhn and his followers, the region was Germanised from the beginning of the Common Era, at the latest.

Linguist Peter Schrijver speculates on the reminiscent lexical and typological features of the region, from an unknown substrate whose linguistic influences may have influenced the historical development of the (Romance and Germanic) languages of the region. He assumes the pre-existence of pre-Indo-European languages linked to the archeological Linear Pottery culture and to a family of languages featuring complex verbs, of which the Northwest Caucasian languages might have been the sole survivors. Although assumed to have left traces within all other Indo-European languages as well, its influence would have been especially strong on Celtic languages originating north of the Alps and on the region including Belgium and the Rhineland.[5]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordwestblock

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elp_culture

Part of the "Nordwestblock", it is situated to the north and east of the Rhine and the IJssel (named after the village of Elp at 52°53′N 6°39′E), bordering the Hilversum culture to the south and the Hoogkarspel culture in West Friesland that, together with Elp, all derive from the Barbed Wire Beakers culture (2100–1800 BCE) and, forming a culture complex at the boundary between the Atlantic and the Nordic horizons.

Edited July 4, 2014 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

Hypothetical cultural region with a lost PIE associated language that may have supplied root words for both Germanic and Celtic from a people who were really neither. Around the Rhine, part of a thriving Atlantic seaboard culture that even had ties with Great Britain in the Bronze Age....

Succumbed to the Urnfield and Hallstatt cultures.

I've spoken about my thoughts that Ligurians were actually Frisian Fryans working as merchants in near krekaland, Italy.

In favor of a Pre-Indo-European origin thesis were Henri d'Arbois de Jubainville, 19th-century French historian, who argued that the Ligurians, together with the Iberians, constituted the remains of the native population that had spread in Western Europe with the Cardium Pottery culture cardial ceramic,[10] or related to the Bell Beakerfolk

...Ligurian tribes, now shorn, in ancient days

First of the long-haired nations, on whose necks

Once flowed the auburn locks in pride supreme

Frisian Pier Gerlofs Donia

Edited July 4, 2014 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

In case anyone didn't notice, that was NOT a Ligurian, but a Frisian, showing off his long auburn locks flowing with pride supreme on his neck.

Co-incidence? I think not.

According to Plutarch they (Ligurians) called themselves Ambrones, but this does not necessarily indicate a relationship with the Ambrones of northern Europe. Not necessarily but it also does not rule it out.

They weren't Celtic and they weren't Mediterranean, they spoke an Indo-European language and had been in Europe with the Iberians for a long time, was the held-thought.

They may have passed on their language to the people of Latium, who became known for their Latin language, which may have had its roots in Frisian to start, since a maritime trading people obviously had a more used, important language, these languages dominated. This is also how the Phoenician alphabet and language became so well used. This Frisian/Fryan/Ligurian language was taken on by Romans while the original Ligurian language, which would have been a form of Fryan - faded into obscurity - the Frisian roots being then in Latin and then Roman Latin.

This is how I can see it and why Latin may be made up of root words that came from Fryan, via Ligurian, since the Ligurians were imo the Fryans who had warehouses, sailed and traded in Italy.

[The Puzzler]

I noticed what Staveren/Stavia would mean:

stavere 1, sta-v-ere, afries., st. M. (ja): nhd. Staber, Eidstaber, Abnehmer des Eides; ne. taker of the oath; Q.: H; E.: s. sta-v-ia; L.: Hh 103a, Rh 1045a

stavia 13, stovia, stouwia, sta-v-ia, sto-v-ia, stou-w-ia, afries., sw. V. (2): nhd. staben, einen Eid vorsprechen, einen Eid abnehmen; ne. pronounce an oath, take (V.) an oath; Vw.: s. ūt-; Hw.: vgl. ahd. stabēn*, mnd. staven, mhd. staben; Q.: W, B, S, AA 94; E.: s. *sta-f; L.: Hh 103a, Hh 174, Hh 175, Rh 1044b, AA 94

stavinge 8, stovinge, sta-v-inge, sto-v-inge, afries., st. F. (ō): nhd. Eidesformel, Staben (N.); ne. form (N.) of an oath; Hw.: vgl. mnl. stavinge, mhd. stabunge; Q.: S, AA 94; E.: s. sta-v-ia, *-inge; L.: Hh 103a, Hh 175, Rh 1045a, AA 94

sta****, afries., st. M. (a?, i?): nhd. Stab; ne. staff (N.); Hw.: s. sta-v-ere,

staff (n.) Look up staff at Dictionary.comOld English stæf (plural stafas), "walking stick, strong pole used for carrying, rod used as a weapon, pastoral staff," probably originally *stæb, from Proto-Germanic *stabaz (cognates: Old Saxon staf, Old Norse stafr, Danish stav, Old Frisian stef, Middle Low German and Middle Dutch staf, Old High German stab, German Stab, Gothic *stafs "element;" Middle Dutch stapel "pillar, foundation"), from PIE root *stebh- "post, stem, to support, place firmly on, fasten" (cognates: Old Lithuanian stabas "idol," Lithuanian stebas "staff, pillar;" Old Church Slavonic stoboru "pillar;" Sanskrit stabhnati "supports;" Greek stephein "to tie around, encircle, wreathe," staphyle "grapevine, bunch of grapes;" Old English stapol "post, pillar").

http://www.etymonlin....php?term=staff

The staff was the oath maker and keeper of authority and position. Staff or office, fasces, wands and sceptres are all forms of this imo.

Stave - a stick, rod, pole or the like. Stab - (imo) to the short swords and swords used, not only as weapons but as oath-makers. Stab the knife into the table while taking an oath, very Saxon.

There is no way the word oath forms from staf/stav - it can only mean it equates to it totally literally - a staff/stave is an oath (generally of authority or bonding/pact) from ancient times and I could reference a million instances of it if I really tried.

~~~~~~~~~~

I was originally looking for a meaning for STALIA, the original ancient name of Genoa.

This form of word is found in Frisian: in English forms of steel (firm, strong, stand, firm, stall, immobile, state, guarantee) and steal (theft, stealthy)

stal, afries., st. M. (a): Vw.: s. stal-l (1)

stala***, s-tal-a***, afries., F.: nhd. Diebstahl; ne. theft; Hw.: s. s-tal-k-ense; vgl. ae. stæl (2); E.: germ. *stalō, st. F. (ō), Diebstahl; vgl. idg. *tel- (1), *telə-, *tlēi-, *tlē-, *tlā-, *telh₂-, V., heben, wägen, tragen, dulden, Pokorny 1060?; L.: AA 113

stalalik***, s-tal-a-lik***, afries., Adj.: nhd. verstohlen, heimlich; ne. stealthy; Hw.: s. s-tal-k-ense; E.: s. *s-tal-a, -lik (3); L.: AA 113

stalalikense*, s-tal-a-lik-ense*, afries., st. F. (jō): Vw.: s. s-tal-k-ense

stalkense 2, stolkense, stalalikense*, s-tal-k-ense, s-tol-k-ense, s-tal-a-lik-ense*, afries., st. F. (jō): nhd. Heimlichkeit; ne. stealthiness; Q.: W, AA 113; E.: s. *s-tal-a; L.: Hh 147b, Hh 188, Rh 1051a, AA 113

stall (1) 27, stal-l, stal, afries., st. M. (a): nhd. Stand, Standplatz, Stehen, Recht zum Stehen, Bestand, Rechtskraft; ne. state (N.), stand (N.); Vw.: ef-t-er-, jēn-, kam-p-, on-, sin-u-th-, *up-, warf-, ze-r-k-, -fest-ich, -fest-ic-hê-d; Hw.: vgl. got. *stalls, an. *stallr (2), ae. steall (2), lang. *stal, ahd. stal; Q.: E, S, W, F; E.: germ. *stalla-, *stallaz, st. M. (a), Standort, Stelle, Stall?; s. idg. *stel- (3), V., Adj., Sb., stellen, stehend, unbeweglich, steif, Ständer, Pfosten, Stamm, Stiel, Stängel, Pokorny 1019; L.: Hh 102b, Hh 174, Rh 1044a

stall (2), stal-l, afries., N.: Vw.: s. bê-n-; E.: s. stal-l (1); L.: Hh 6b

stalle 1, stal-l-e, afries., Adj.: nhd. fest; ne. firm (Adj.); Hw.: vgl. ae. *steall (2); Q.: R; E.: germ. *stalla-, *stallaz, *stallja-, *stalljaz, Adj., feststehend; s. idg. *stel- (3), V., Adj., Sb., stellen, stehend, unbeweglich, steif, Ständer, Pfosten, Stamm, Stiel, Stängel, Pokorny 1019; L.: Hh 102b, Rh 1044a

stallesbâm***, stal-l-es-bâm***, afries., st. M. (a): Vw.: s. up-; E.: s. stal-l (1), bâm

stallfestich 2, stal-l-fest-ich, afries., Adj.: nhd. unbeweglich, fest; ne. immobile, firm (Adj.); Q.: W; E.: s. stal-l, *fest-ich; L.: Hh 102b, Rh 1044a

stallfestichêd 1 und häufiger, stal-l-fest-ic-hê-d, afries., st. F. (i): nhd. Unbeweglichkeit, Festigkeit; ne. immobility, firmness; E.: s. stal-l-fest-ich, *hê-d; L.: Hh 102b

stallia 1 und häufiger, stal-l-ia, afries., sw. V. (2): nhd. festmachen, einstehen, haften; ne. fix (V.), guarantee (V.); E.: germ. *stalljan, sw. V., stellen; idg. *stel- (3), V., Adj., Sb., stellen, stehend, unbeweglich, steif, Ständer, Pfosten, Stamm, Stiel, Stängel, Pokorny 1019; L.: Hh 147b, Hh 188

stallich***, stal-l-ich***, afries., Adj.: Vw.: s. bê-n-, ef-t-er-; E.: s. stal-l (1), *-ich

stalling 1 und häufiger, stelling, stal-l-ing, stel-l-ing, afries., st. M. (a): nhd. Vertreter; ne. representative (M.); Vw.: s. up-; E.: s. stal-l-ia; L.: Hh 102b, Rh 1044a

Stalia may have been a stronghold or such, such as Cadiz is named, after its ability to be a walled stronghold, I find this a common concept, burgs, forts, castles, all strongholds and a likely name for an outpost.

Edited July 5, 2014 by The Puzzler

[Ott]

I noticed what Staveren/Stavia would mean:

I made a post about that word/ name:

http://fryskednis.blogspot.de/2012/11/stavo.html

[Ott]

Silver JOL-bowl found

Last July 1st, an important archaeological find in Holland (7th Century CE) was made public, more than one year after it was found (4 June 2013). The announcement was delayed, so the investigation could be continued undisturbed.

(Is this why we still don't hear anything about the OLB paper research; Because the Dutch academic world needs time to concoct a story to try and save its reputation? Well that could indeed take a very long time...)

The silver bowl has three prominent JOL- (wheel of time) symbols, but the archaeologist is either ignorant or plays stupid and describes it as "a rosette with floral pattern or sun symbol".

Sources:

University Leiden 1

University Leiden 2

Some fragments, translated from Dutch:

During excavations in Oegstgeest archaeologists from Leiden University have found a very rare silver bowl from the first half of the seventh century. The bowl is decorated with animal and plant figures in gold and inlaid with semi-precious stones.

The rare object was found a year ago, on 4 June 2013, in Oegstgeest [...] The find was not disclosed earlier to avoid disturbance of the excavations, which were planned till June 2014. The bowl was found in the excavation of the remains of a large village from the 6th-7th century. The village was located along the Rhine, traversed by various watercourses. Along one of these the bowl was detected.

The decoration is divided into three vertical zones, separated by a plant or tree of gold leaf, crowned by a rosette with floral pattern or sun symbol.

Relevant fragment in the OLB:

Edited July 5, 2014 by gestur

[The Puzzler]

Good Stavia post gestur, handy references to it throughout the book. pole, rod, staff yes.

staff can mean governing body, (staff, the person holding the stick) which Staveren seems like it is, mentioned first in the listing of Grevetman towns and other mentions at Stavia make it sound important at the time, the council chamber or state (astflyland) body.

That the Frisian dictionary has words all associating with taking an oath is meaningful within this context of staff.

Personally I don't see the Fryans naming this city after a God or idol such as Stavo, but rather have a sensible meaning of what it actually does, just like the names of everything else they have, descriptive and meaningful, void of Gods or idols within them except for Frya, the Mother, and not a God or idol as such.

I do love the JOL bowl, nice find!

Edited July 5, 2014 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

Then what about that elusive star? Cause all the staf and stavs are leading to stare and imo star.

Immobile. Stand firm. Stay.

That's what star would mean.

Its not a 'wandering star' like a planet but an immobile object.

Edited July 5, 2014 by The Puzzler

[Ott]

Personally I don't see the Fryans naming this city after a God or idol such as Stavo...

I agree, that is proabably a later (christianised) invention.