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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


Abramelin

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"Oord" also had to do with "outer end of something", or "at the edge of something", so I assume the Linden-oorden were an area (with linden/lime trees) outside the citadel/city on Texland. Maybe the Kreiler forest that's now on the bottom of the Wadden Sea between the isle of Texel and Friesland??

Texel, 3200 BP (or the socalled remnant part of the OLB 'Texland":

Texel_3200BP.jpg

The next map (see arrow) shows modern day Texel:

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The Kreiler forest (the "Linda_wrda"??) was destroyed by a catastrophic flood in the 13th century, not thousands of years ago, as the OLB wants us to believe.

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The Kreiler forest (the "Linda_wrda"??) was destroyed by a catastrophic flood in the 13th century, not thousands of years ago, as the OLB wants us to believe.

Kreilwod is not the same as Linda-wrda.

Which part are you referring to in the underlined part?

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We know that "eiland/eland" etc is the (old) Frisian word for island. Then I thought, 'what does "ei" mean in old Frisian?"

E or EE means water, both in Oldfrisian and in OLB.

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I have been wanting to congratulate you for a wonderful job done over a very dangerous and controversial subject.

Thank you

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E or EE means water, both in Oldfrisian and in OLB.

No, it's not EE, but EI.

Check the German site.

"EI" means 'female sheep in Old Frisian', or 'ooi' in Dutch.

OK, nothing important here, I was just having a bit of fun.

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Kreilwod is not the same as Linda-wrda.

Which part are you referring to in the underlined part?

I am referring to what was the only wooded area near Texel having lots of trees.

And it got flooded in the 13th century.

You know about it, right?

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Kreilwod is not the same as Linda-wrda.

Which part are you referring to in the underlined part?

And where do YOU think these "Linda_wrda" were located?

Can't be far from "Texland" or present day Texel, right?

So the only option left is those "Kreiler woods/forests".

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OK, so where were these "Linda_wrda" according to you?

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Near the river Linde.

No forests with Lindens/Lime trees overthere either.

But there was a mansion called ""Lindenoord".

Willem van Haren's place. The one who wrote an epic poem about the ancient history of the Frisians, a poem analyzed by Joast Halbertsma, one of the 'suspects'.

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"EI" means 'female sheep in Old Frisian', or 'ooi' in Dutch.

Let's do a little quiz.

ÉLAND or eiland (island) is from...

a] ei = ooi = female sheep => sheep-land?

b] ei = egg => egg-land?

c] é or ee = water or sea => sea-land or land in the sea

OLB p.19, line 11:

ALSA BLÍD VPPÀT LÁND AS VPPÀT É. THÀT IS WÉTER

p.58, line 21

NÉI BI THÉRE KÁD FVNDON HJA EN ÉLAND

You suck at what you call 'wordplay' or you have a strange sense of humor.

It was not clear that you were joking.

This way you are misinforming people who want to learn something here.

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No forests with Lindens/Lime trees overthere either.

What are you talking about? 16th century or even later?

That OLB fragment was about 300 BCE.

It may have been anywhere.

The course of the present Linde river may have been way different.

Think of how much "the Netherlands" have changed over the last 1000 years.

We will really have to accept that we willnot know for sure where all the places described in OLB were.

We cannot even be sure if TEXLAND = Texel, or MEDEASBLIK = Medemblik.

And that is OK.

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I DO have a....strange sense of humor.

I assumed intelligent people would know.

YOU did.

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What are you talking about? 16th century or even later?

That OLB fragment was about 300 BCE.

It may have been anywhere.

The course of the present Linde river may have been way different.

Think of how much "the Netherlands" have changed over the last 1000 years.

We will really have to accept that we will not know for sure where all the places described in OLB were.

We cannot even be sure if TEXLAND = Texel, or MEDEASBLIK = Medemblik.

And that is OK.

I SAID, the "13th century".

That is when the Kreiler forest got submerged by a flood, and separated Medemblik from Stavoren. I know that you know, so why do you play 'innocent'??

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FREEsland you say.

The OLB suggests FRYA's land. Pronounced like FREE- AH's land.

I had hoped someone - you? - had a source for what this 'Klaas van der Hoek' claimed.

I never thought of it, and it sounds really good.

Frisar.. Farers.

It should make feel Alewyn happy with his theory about the Faroer.

But alas, Faroer means something totally different.

FYI

Schrieck refers to the same, but then for Paris (Phar-Is). 'Is' as root-origin for the word Is-Land.

Pronounciation of 'Ph' can be also in many cases 'F' (Far-Is -> could be shortened in pronounciation by 'Fris')

Frisia -> the region of Islands

Parisii.jpg

Phar-Is -> Vaer-Is -> Vaar-Eiland

Phar-Ho -> Vaar Hoog -> He who takes a journey to the higher realms (Pharao)

Friso -> Phar-Is-Ho -> the one who thas the 'highest' position in Frisia

Btw, as we know

Paris (Lutetia -> Lut-Heit) is in origin a Frisian settlement (Liud-hem -> Home of the people, Lieden/lui)

Egypt was travelled to by the Frisians

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No forests with Lindens/Lime trees overthere either.

But there was a mansion called ""Lindenoord".

Willem van Haren's place. The one who wrote an epic poem about the ancient history of the Frisians, a poem analyzed by Joast Halbertsma, one of the 'suspects'.

Here you have Lindenoord, a mansion in Wolvega, near the De Linde river:

Wolvega_Huize_Lindenoord_Voorzijde_2003_Speelman.jpg

http://www.touristin...enswaardigheden

linde1.jpg

Yeah, I have a strange sense of humor.

In Huize Lindenoord heeft onder andere de grietman (een soort burgemeester) Willem van Haren gewoond. Hij was grietman van Weststellingwerf tussen 1688 en 1711.

In Lindenoord House lived Willem van Haren, the grietman [GREVETMAN !] (a kind of mayor). He was grietman of Weststellingwerf between 1688 and 1711.

http://www.stellingw...ega/wolvega.htm

Lindenoord House

The beautiful historical Lindenoord House is situated in the centre of Wolvega at number 37 Van Harenstraat. It was once the country manor of Onno Zwier van Haren (1742 - 1779), who served as grietman or mayor in Weststellingwerf.

Onno Zwier van Haren was a statesman, and his tasks including acting as an advisor for King Willem IV. In addition to being the mayor, he was also a poet and a writer. His plays were performed in the open air theatre behind his country house Lindenoord. Onno Zwier was one of a long line of Van Harens who served as mayor 122 years. The house was rebuilt between 1776 and 1779 after it was destroyed in a fire in 1776. After the Van Haren family left, the building was purchased by a Mr. Schonegevel, who was the mayor of Nijmegen at the time. He lived there for several years.

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Historical farm De Saks

Nearby the Linde Valley nature reserve is where you will find Steggerda, the beautiful historical Saxon farm from 1731 belonging to the Homma family. It is one of the oldest farms in the province of Friesland .

The original Saxon farm is part of a modern working dairy farm. Some 75 cows are milked here, and some of the milk is processed on the farm to make ice cream according to a traditional recipe and without any artificial colourings or flavours. This old-fashioned ice cream is delicious; be sure to try it.

http://www.weststellingwerf.nl/sjablonen/1/infotype/webpage/view.asp?objectID=7304

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_van_Haren_(1710-1768)

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The next is my translation of a part of the epic poem by Willem van Haren, 1741.

(the poem is about the exploits of the mythical founder of Friesland: Friso)

And, with Argentorix, through narrow currents

that lead to the cold sees of the feroceous Scyths

and separate the British Empire of great Europe

(T)Here was an old rumour, that Father Ocean,

tired of going along Thule's coast to the Northern Throne,

to steer icy sees to the coasts of the Samojeds,

ordered a meeting of the Western Rivers.

The Guadalquivir, who sprays the Wall of Seville,

and flows through a fertile land and rich pastures;

The silver Guadiana, carried on Swans's down;

The rich Tagus, carried on a golden wagon,

with a regal gesture, and royal panache;

The Douro, crowned with Rose and Stock Gillyflower,

and keeping a garland of flowers in his hands;

The boasting Garonne in the middle of her bonds;

The Loire, which, though tall of stature,

shares fame the least;

The Seine, which, by adorning itself with laurels

covets the dominion of all Rivers;

And an endless number of lesser watergods;

Called on Triton's horn in front of Amfrites' throne.

There the Ocean made them line up in order,

And, raising his waves a 1000 feet high,

attacked on the land that attached the Albion beach

to wealthy Europe; and, pushing with his hand,

The Mountains from their bases, the Rocks from their footings,

He gave the captured (?) lands to the angry mob [= the rivers]

Each took from this burden a rock or a hill along,

And grinded it to gravel, and spread them to the Sea.

King Ocean travelled swiftly along smooth sands,

From the fizzing waters to the Alocean beaches:

And from that time on Albion became an Empire

Invincible for foreign powers.

Page 411 of:

http://www.dbnl.org/...04geva01_01.pdf

According to the poem, Argentorix is the son of Coïlus, King of the Brittons. He met Friso on the Isle of Wight, and begged him for help. He shows Friso the way to Frisia.

Read the underlined part of the poem again.

Then read about 'When the bad time came" in the OLB....

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To all,

I have been wanting to congratulate you for a wonderful job done over a very dangerous and controversial subject. I hope nobody will ever connect me with anything (if you know what i am saying).

Never actually read the book, although i am aware that matriarchalism, mythology and religion, among other subjects, are strong ideas found in the manuscript.

My opinion regarding the origin of the word “Frisia” is that there is obviously a clear connection between the names Freyja and Frisia:

Freya (Freyja): Goddess of love and beauty; sister of Frey; originally one of Vanir.

Freya, Freja, Freyia, Frøya, and Freia.

Read more: Norse Mythology Glossary, Dictionary - Characters from Stories, Legends - Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0197623.html#ixzz1zHCQE6vt

Regards,

Mario Dantas

Thanks Mario, I have my paranoid moments... :ph34r:

I agree now also that Friesland is from Frya's land.

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Willem van Haren might have written it, I'm feeling vibes here....

Born in Leeuwarden, writes about Friso, very poetically....hmmm.

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Willem van Haren might have written it, I'm feeling vibes here....

Born in Leeuwarden, writes about Friso, very poetically....hmmm.

That's even suggested in a newspaper article:

http://www.archiefle...oera,linda,vler

And this is from Menno Knul's site:

De aanduiding ‘over de Linde’ moet waarschijnlijk letterlijk worden opgevat als liggend aan de overkant van de rivier de Linde of Lende, de rivier die Friesland scheidt van Overijssel. Vanuit Deventer gezien. In dit gebied speelt zich de geschiedenis van het geslacht der van Harens af, die door Dr. J.H. Halbertsma is geschreven. De bijdrage van Willem van Haren over Friso kan gezien worden als de verbindende factor tussen het Oera Linda Boek en het geslacht der van Harens. Van Haren’s Friso heeft wellicht Halbertsma er toe gebracht om een projectie te schrijven van de voorgeschiedenis van het Friese volk.

http://www.rodinbook...ndvanzaken.html

The indication "Over de Linde 'should probably be taken literally as lying across the river Linde or Lende, the river that separates Friesland province from Overijssel, viewed from Deventer. In this area the history of the Van Haren family takes place, as described by Dr.J.H. Halbertsma . The contribution of Willem van Haren concerning Friso can be seen as the connecting factor between the Oera Linda Book and the Van Haren family. Van Haren's Friso may have led Halbertsma to write a view on the history of the Frisian people.

(btw: Deventer is the city where Halbertsma had moved to for his work as a minister/preacher/whatstheword, and finally died)

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So one would think then that the Over de Linden family would know the Van Haren family if they both lived in this area (over the Linde).

Willem Van Haren's brother Onno, was a poet too, he wrote a poem called Gueux.

His brother, Onno Zwier van Haren,. 1713–79, also a poet, wrote patriotic verse, notably a series about the Gueux, entitled first Aan de Vaderland (1769), in final form De Geusen (1772)

Read more: Willem van Haren — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0822720.html#ixzz1zLsZYKBc

Gueux (gö) [key][Fr.,=beggars], 16th-century Dutch revolutionary party. In 1566 more than 2,000 Dutch and Flemish nobles and burghers (both Protestants and Roman Catholics) signed a document—the so-called Compromise of Breda—by which they bound themselves in solemn oath to resist the curtailment of liberties imposed by the Spanish government in the Netherlands. The document was drafted chiefly by Philip van Marnix. Its radical tone displeased the great nobles; on the advice of William the Silent the original wording was considerably toned down when, in the same year, a petition on behalf of the signers of the compromise was presented to the Spanish regent, Margaret of Parma. Margaret's adviser, Barlaymont, referred to the petitioners as “these beggars,” whereupon the revolutionary party adopted both the sobriquet and the insignia of beggars. The “Beggars of the Sea” (Fr. Gueux de la mer) were crews of patriotic privateers first chartered in 1569 by William the Silent to harass Spanish shipping. Their most notable action was the raising of the siege of Leiden (1574). Their activity marked the beginning of Dutch sea power.

Read more: Gueux — Infoplease.com http://www.infopleas...l#ixzz1zLrx5dq3

LINK: http://www.infopleas...y/A0822077.html

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We have been through this many times and it never led anywhere.

I am getting tired and sick of it.

Imagine there is a dead man.

You assume he was murdered.

You go look for suspects.

But you first need to exclude the possibility that he died a natural death.

That is why I asked:

Please list your arguments for this 'verdict'.

when you said:

For me it is clear what the verdict should be: it's a hoax, a forgery, a fabulation, whatever.

You never answered.

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Another thing.

No one has ever made one of the missing pages.

With the existing (almost 200) pages as an example, and our evolved consciousness (???), techniques and sources, it should be easy (if OLB is a hoax) to create at least one missing page, for example p.169 or p.211. Not just make paper and ink look old, but create content and language that makes sense and would fit with the rest.

I challenge every hoax-believer to try it.

It will humble you.

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