Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[The Puzzler]

Well, I guess I'm not the only one who saw a word connection there....

The word "Canaan" literally means the land where cannabis grows.

http://crackheadawards.newsvine.com/_news/2012/03/23/10832136-how-cannabis-saved-the-world-manna-from-heaven

It talks about how manna was the cannabis seed.

"Hey Man-na"

Crazy but seemingly feeling very true.

[Abramelin]

The first link should tells you there's a -B- missing from your etymology.

The second link leads to a site made by nutters.

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Edited July 11, 2012 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

The first link should tell you there's a -B- missing from your etymology.

The second link leads to a site made by nutters.

The info the 'nutters' used is quite correct. Whatever, I'm not going to bother to convince you because it's off topic.

Cannabis grows wild across most of asia, north africa, and southern europe. That includes the Siani peninsula, which had sufficient rainfall to support natural cannabis forests until after the time of Exodus.

The seeds are white and glisten with oil when the hull has been removed.

It contains all eight essential amino acids required for a complete protein source. De-hulled hemp seed are about 35% fat, 20% protein, 25% carbohydrate, and 20% fiber. The fat in cannabis seed has the ideal 3:1 ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 required for optimum human nutrition. This can correct common nutritional deficiencies responsible for cancer, cardiovascular disease, and autoimmune disease.

• Essential fatty acid deficiency and cardiovascular disease, cancer, and autoimmune disease
  
• Hempseed Protein
  
• NIH hemp seed nutrition
  
• FDA exemption for hemp seed oil
  

Cleaned and washed cannabis seed contains very little intoxicant, if any. Seed and oil should avoided for several months before drug testing.

It is impossible to become intoxicated from cannabis seed or oil consumption, but enough medication may exist to activate a drug test. This is much like how poppy seeds activate a heroin test.

[Abramelin]

Yeah, what they said about cannabis itself is correct.

And they should have stayed with that, and not try to prove what they tried to 'prove' about ancient history.

[The Puzzler]

I just read the link of Volneys work, yes, that's an interesting connection.

"Finally, these traditions went so far as to mention even his astrological and mythological names, and inform us that he was called sometimes Chris, that is to say, preserver,¹⁴⁹ {p.160} from that, ye Indians, you have made your god Chrish-en or Chrish-na; and, ye Greek and Western Christians, your Chris-tos, son of Mary, is the same; sometimes he is called Yes, by the union of three letters, which by their numerical value form the number 1,608, one of the solar periods.¹⁵⁰ And this, Europeans, is the name which, with the Latin termination, is become your Yes-us or Jesus, the ancient and cabalistic name attributed to young Bacchus, the clandestine son (nocturnal) of the Virgin Minerva, who, in the history of his whole life, and even of his death, brings to mind the history of the god of the Christians, that is, of the star of day, of which they are each of them the emblems."

[The Puzzler]

Yeah, what they said about cannabis itself is correct.

And they should have stayed with that, and not try to prove what they tried to 'prove' about ancient history.

It's actually so logical it's cracking me up.

Cannabis has an ancient history of ritual use and is found in pharmacological cults around the world. Hemp seeds discovered by archaeologists at Pazyryk suggest early ceremonial practices like eating by the Scythians occurred during the 5th to 2nd century BCE, confirming previous historical reports by Herodotus.^[86] One writer has claimed that cannabis was used as a religious sacrament by ancient Jews and early Christians^[87][88] due to the similarity between the Hebrew word "qannabbos" ("cannabis") and the Hebrew phrase "qené bósem" ("aromatic cane"). It was used by Muslims in various Sufi orders as early as the Mamluk period, for example by the Qalandars

I'm laughing at this too...

A study published in the South African Journal of Science showed that "pipes dug up from the garden of Shakespeare's home in Stratford-upon-Avon contain traces of cannabis."^[90] The chemical analysis was carried out after researchers hypothesized that the "noted weed" mentioned in Sonnet 76 and the "journey in my head" from Sonnet 27 could be references to cannabis and the use thereof

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

[Abramelin]

I don't see what's logical about a faulty etymology.

Etymology is not the same as finding words that look somewhat similar and then spin a whole story around it.

Maybe you could find a connection with "canary""?

It also has "can" in it?

[Abramelin]

The etymology is uncertain. One explanation is that it has an original meaning of "lowlands", from a Semitic root knʿ "to be low, humble, depressed", in contrast with Aram, "highlands".[9] An alternative suggestion derives the term from Hurrian Kinahhu, purportedly referring to the colour purple, so that Canaan and Phoenicia would be synonyms ("Land of Purple"), but it is just as common to assume that Kinahhu was simply the Hurrian rendition of the Semitic knʿn.

Certain scholars of the Semitic Eblaite material (dated 2350 BC) from the archive of Tell Mardikh see the oldest reference to Canaanites in the ethnic name ga-na-na which provides a third millennium reference to the name Canaan.[12]

Canaan is mentioned in a document from the 18th century BC found in the ruins of Mari, a former Sumerian and at that time Assyrian outpost in Syria, located along the Middle Euphrates. Apparently Canaan at this time existed as a distinct political entity (probably a loose confederation of city-states). A letter from this time complains about certain "thieves and Canaanites (i.e. Kinahhu)" causing trouble in the town of Rahisum.[3]

Tablets found in the Mesopotamian city of Nuzi use the term Kinahnu ("Canaan") as a synonym for red or purple dye, laboriously produced by the Kassite rulers of Babylon from murex shells as early as 1600 BC, and on the Mediterranean coast by the Phoenicians from a byproduct of glassmaking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

[The Puzzler]

I don't see what's logical about a faulty etymology.

Etymology is not the same as finding words that look somewhat similar and then spin a whole story around it.

Maybe you could find a connection with "canary""?

It also has "can" in it?

Not the etymology, that the seeds might be manna.

I can find one in canvas.

I'd have to know how the word canis for dog came about first, to know if canary is related.

But, suit yourself.

At Exodus 30:22-25, God gives the recipe to Moses for holy anointing oil. One of the key ingredients of this oil is cannabis hemp. The Hebrew word Keneh-bosem is mistranslated as sweet calamus, aromatic cane or sweet cane. The story goes that King James intentionally mistranslated Keneh-bosem into Calamus after his wife was caught in an affair. Canaan was named for Cannabis. Evidently, the bible translators are trying to hide the fact that this is marijuana. Cannabis Hemp is one of the many blessings that God gave to man as stated at Genesis 1:11 and Genesis 1:29, and we are commanded to appreciate and to use all of God's creations as long as it is received with thanks, as stated at 1 Timothy 4:4.

"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient Christian anointing oil, as history indicates, and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ.The holy anointing oil, as described in the original Hebrew version of the recipe in Exodus, contained over six pounds of keneh-bosum - a substance identified by respected etymology, linguists, anthropologists, botanists and other researchers as cannabis extracted into about six quarts of olive oil along with a variety of other fragrant herbs. The ancient annointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture."- Chris Bennet

This oil was smeared or sprinkled on everything holy such as the priest, the tent post and everything that was put on the altar as a burnt offering. Whenever it was burned, as the smoke ascended into heaven, thus; the prayers of those seeking atonement for their sins became a restful odor to God as stated at Exodus 29:18.

The 7th and 15th Chapters of Numbers will explain all of this very clearly. Also at Revelations 5:8 and Revelations 8:3, it backs this fact up about the smoke carrying your prayers to heaven. When God spoke to the holy ones throughout the Old Testament, he always spoke through a cloud of smoke.

http://link.websitew...mpcannabis.html

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Otharus: Nice job on the OLB page.

Edited July 11, 2012 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

The etymology is uncertain.One explanation is that it has an original meaning of "lowlands", from a Semitic root knʿ "to be low, humble, depressed", in contrast with Aram, "highlands".[9] An alternative suggestion derives the term from Hurrian Kinahhu, purportedly referring to the colour purple, so that Canaan and Phoenicia would be synonyms ("Land of Purple"), but it is just as common to assume that Kinahhu was simply the Hurrian rendition of the Semitic knʿn.

Certain scholars of the Semitic Eblaite material (dated 2350 BC) from the archive of Tell Mardikh see the oldest reference to Canaanites in the ethnic name ga-na-na which provides a third millennium reference to the name Canaan.[12]

Canaan is mentioned in a document from the 18th century BC found in the ruins of Mari, a former Sumerian and at that time Assyrian outpost in Syria, located along the Middle Euphrates. Apparently Canaan at this time existed as a distinct political entity (probably a loose confederation of city-states). A letter from this time complains about certain "thieves and Canaanites (i.e. Kinahhu)" causing trouble in the town of Rahisum.[3]

Tablets found in the Mesopotamian city of Nuzi use the term Kinahnu ("Canaan") as a synonym for red or purple dye, laboriously produced by the Kassite rulers of Babylon from murex shells as early as 1600 BC, and on the Mediterranean coast by the Phoenicians from a byproduct of glassmaking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

Yeah, and?

No one probably knows or realises or wants it to be named after 'pot'.

Edited July 11, 2012 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

Yeah, that must be it.....

You'd think we would know about it even now if the Phoenicians had been famous for being stoned sailors, right?

[Otharus]

Otharus: Nice job on the OLB page.

Thanks.

I find the cannabis etymology fascinating.

Never realised it might be related to 'sana' (health; see Sanskrit).

It obviously was used as a medicine (because it is).

Sane, sanity.

http://www.etymologiebank.nl/trefwoord/cannabis

M. Philippa e.a. (2003-2009) Etymologisch Woordenboek van het Nederlands

cannabis zn. ‘hennepplant; hars uit de toppen van de hennepplant als roesmiddel’

Vnnl. als wetenschappelijke benaming voor de hennepplant: Kennep ... Cannabis ‘hennep ... cannabis’ [1599; Kil.]; nnl.cannabis ‘roesverwekkend middel uit toppen van de Indische hennepplant’ [1949; WNT Aanv.].

Ontleend aan Latijn cannabis ‘hennep’ < Grieks kánnabis ‘hennep’. Verwant met Sanskrit śaṇa- ‘hennep’ en hetzelfde woord als nnl. → canvas en → hennep. Cannabis komt uit het Scytisch of Thracisch, maar de oorsprong ervan is duidelijk niet-Indo-Europees, mogelijk Sumerisch (Pfeifer).

[Abramelin]

OK, so the Cananefates (because that's what we were talking about) were not "leek masters", but "cannabis masters".

Maybe a lucky archeologist will have the day of his life when he finds these guys and their stuff, lol.

And Cadiz, as a city setted by the Phoenicians/Canaanites, must have been as famous in ancient times as Amsterdam is now.

[Abramelin]

From the same link:

When God spoke to the holy ones throughout the Old Testament, he always spoke through a cloud of smoke. At Isaiah 10:27, it shows that the devils control can be broken with the holy anointing oil. Even Jesus returns in a cloud of smoke, because at Luke 21:27, it states that Jesus is coming in a cloud with power and glory.

http://link.websitew...mpcannabis.html

"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made; and he smoked a big fat joint which he had made."

Genesis tutu (2:2)

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Edited July 11, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

The job is done.

Here is the very first (as far as I know) edited (reshuffled) publication of the OLB.

Now I understand why TheHangedMan didn't respond when I complimented her on 'her' website:

http://aldfryas.blogspot.nl/

It is yours...

OK, then it's to you: nice work.

[The Puzzler]

From the same link:

When God spoke to the holy ones throughout the Old Testament, he always spoke through a cloud of smoke. At Isaiah 10:27, it shows that the devils control can be broken with the holy anointing oil. Even Jesus returns in a cloud of smoke, because at Luke 21:27, it states that Jesus is coming in a cloud with power and glory.

http://link.websitew...mpcannabis.html

"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made; and he smoked a big fat joint which he had made."

Genesis tutu (2:2)

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lol

It has me thinking just exactly what was this Tree of Life?

In modern times it is said to have been revealed by the disciples of Rastafari who use it for its natural consciousness exalting properties for their sacramental and sanctifying rites, as instructed by the law of the Torah; according to what they know as belonging to the thuthful and faithful prophetic way of life "livity" of the ancient mystics whose history is described in the sacred scriptures.

In ancient Germanic paganism, cannabis was associated with the Norse love goddess, Freya

I knew it!!!....

Rastafari see cannabis as a sacramental and deeply beneficial plant that is the Tree of Life mentioned in the Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_spiritual_use_of_cannabis

Man, it deserves it's own topic.

[Abramelin]

But did you also click on one of those references?

The well respected archeologist, Anne Stine Ingstad, who was responsible for excavating the medieval Norse settlements in Newfoundland, is prominent among many historians who believe the younger of the two buried women -usually called the Oseberg Queen - was a priestess of the great Norse goddess Freya, and not only a secular queen as the first excavators thought. Ingstad sees the presence of the Cannabis seed in the (talismanic) pouch as an indication of possible ritual use of cannabis as an intoxicant in pre-christian Scandinavia.

The find of hemp seeds in the Oseberg ship may be interpreted in various ways. Without a doubt the presence of these seeds proves that the hemp plant had reached Norway by the early Viking days, but we do not know whether the seeds were grown in Norway, or how they arrived in the country. We also do not know how the hemp, once cultivated, was utilized.

http://www.vindheim.net/hamp/hemp.html

This is about Viking times.

I am talking Cananefates.

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EDIT:

And yes, we should be talking OLB, lol.

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Edited July 11, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

< chop >

Here is a quote from Volney's book ("Les Ruines", owned by Cornelis Over de Linden) :

XIII. Christianity, or the Allegorical Worship of the Sun,

under the cabalistical names of Chrish-en, or Christ, and

Ye-sus or Jesus.

"Finally, these traditions went so far as to mention even his astrological and mythological names, and inform us that he was called sometimes Chris, that is to say, preserver,149 {p.160} from that, ye Indians, you have made your god Chrish-en or Chrish-na; and, ye Greek and Western Christians, your Chris-tos, son of Mary, is the same; sometimes he is called Yes, by the union of three letters, which by their numerical value form the number 1,608, one of the solar periods.150 And this, Europeans, is the name which, with the Latin termination, is become your Yes-us or Jesus, the ancient and cabalistic name attributed to young Bacchus, the clandestine son (nocturnal) of the Virgin Minerva, who, in the history of his whole life, and even of his death, brings to mind the history of the god of the Christians, that is, of the star of day, of which they are each of them the emblems."

http://www.masseiana.../volney.htm#152

(btw: this is the English edition of 1882, but the original, French edition was published in 1791)

From the OLB:

Sin forme nôm wêre Jes-us, thach tha prestera thêr-im sêralik haeton hêton him Fo thaet is falx, thaet folk hête him Kris-en thaet is herder, aend sin Fryaske frjund hêta him Bûda, vmbe that hi in sin hâvad en skaet fon wisdom hêde aend in sin hirt en skaet fon ljavde.

His first name was Jes-us, but the priests, who hated him, called him Fo, that is, false; the people called him Kris-en, that is, shepherd; and his Frisian friend called him Buda, because he had in his head a treasure of wisdom, and in his heart a treasure of love.

The OLB "Fo" is pronounced exactly like the French "faux", and it means exactly the same: FALSE.

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Did anyone read more in Volney's book, "Les Ruines"??

OK, some titbits:

The Lama was going on with his reading, when the Christians interrupted him, crying out that this was their own religion adulterated—that Fot was no other than Jesus himself disfigured, and that the Lamas were the Nestorians and the Manicheans disguised and bastardized.*

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. Of all the incarnations of this kind that God has hitherto taken, the greatest and most solemn was that in which he appeared thirty centuries ago in Kachemire, under the name of Fot or Beddou, to preach the doctrines of self-denial and self-annihilation."

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Then, pursuing the history of Fot, the Lama continued:

"He was born from the right flank of a virgin of royal blood, who did not cease to be a virgin for having become a mother; that the king of the country, uneasy at his birth, wished to destroy him, and for this purpose ordered a massacre of all the males born at that period, that being saved by shepherds, Beddou lived in the desert till the age of thirty years, at which time he began his mission to enlighten men and cast out devils; that he performed a multitude of the most astonishing miracles; that he spent his life in fasting and severe penitence, and at his death, bequeathed to his disciples a book containing his doctrines."

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The eastern writers in general agree in placing the birth

of Beddou 1027 years before Jesus Christ, which makes him

the contemporary of Zoroaster, with whom, in my opinion,

they confound him. It is certain that his doctrine

notoriously existed at that epoch; it is found entire in

that of Orpheus, Pythagoras, and the Indian gymnosophists.

But the gymnosophists are cited at the time of Alexander as

an ancient sect already divided into Brachmans and

Samaneans.

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EDIT:

And you will have seen that the Lama in Volney's book mentions Kashmere.

This is also about this "Jes-us", "Fo" or "Buda" according to the OLB:

Sixteen hundred years ago, Atland was submerged; and at that time something happened which nobody had reckoned upon. In the heart of Findasland, upon a mountain, lies a plain called Kasamyr (Cashmere) that is “rare.” There was a child born whose mother was the daughter of a king, and whose father was a high-priest.

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[Abramelin]

<snip>

English:

The oldest writing in Dutch with a description of 'Buddhism', is dated November 18, 1842. That's today exactly 165 years ago. We can consider this date as the birthday of Buddhism in the Netherlands.

The author of the writing was the Baptist minister J.H. Halbertsma (1789-1869) from Deventer. His book was titled "Buddhism and its Founder" and counted 75 pages.

It was printed in February 1843 and the edition counted 50 copies, a minimal edition and therefore it attracted little attention.

Halbertsma was also a linguist and was interested in Sanskrit. His booklet was based on information from the commissioner of the British East Indian Company at the court of Nepal, in Kathmandu, B.H. Hodgson (1800-1894). One of his sisters was married to a Dutchman, an acquiantance of Halbertsma, Baron Nahuys van Burgst. He had given the pastor details about that exotic faith, Buddhism, for inspection.

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But Buddha wasn't known here under that name; he was known as Josaphat, a derivation of Bodhisattva.

http://en.wikipedia....d_Josaphat#Name

As the Wiki says, he was considered a Christian saint, hence his day of celebration on the Christian calendar.

Which also explains why he shows up as Buda in the same OLB paragraph as Jes-us:

His first name was Jes-us, but the priests, who hated him, called him Fo, that is, false; the people called him Kris-en, that is, shepherd; and his Frisian friend called him Buda (purse/pouch), because he had in his head a treasure of wisdom, and in his heart a treasure of love.

Wait a minute, "his Frisian friend ( "sin Fryaske frjund")??

Couldn't that be this Frisan pastor, aka Halbertsma?

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I think I would really like to read that booklet written by Halbertsma. Knul, are you still around??

[The Puzzler]

I got a book here about Runes and noticed Raidho as R.

"Literally it represents a wheel and the motion that the wheel allows. - Raidho is both the road and the means to get there. - The power to move forward."

The name sounded like Raedie/Radien Attje so I can only imagine it is related to him and therefore to what Wralda really is.

Radien-attje, Jubmel, Vearalden Olmai or Waralden Olmai is the superior or celestial deity of the Sami, also called Jubmel or Ibmel, a parallel to the Finnish Jumala (God).

The superior deity is the ruler of the Cosmos. In his honour, the Sami erected a sacrificial pole every autumn, symbolizing the world-pillar, which was considered as a connection the World to the firmament. The pillar reached from the centre of the Earth to the fix point on the firmament - the Pole star. The superior deity was also the “giver of life” and was considered the god of fertility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radien-attje

Autumn would a been a time that was 9 months prior to the rebirth of the new Sun at Summer solstice so was when he was fertile, to create the new Sun each year.

[The Puzzler]

Yeah, I read the whole Volney thing.

[Abramelin]

Yeah, I read the whole Volney thing.

You read it whole and you didn't notice what I quoted in my former post?

Here, something more:

Apologistes de la Relig. Chret. par Burigni, a sagacious

writer, who has demonstrated the absolute uncertainty of

those foundations of the Christian religion; so that the

existence of Jesus is no better proved than that of Osiris

and Hercules, or that of Fot or Beddou, with whom, says M.

de Guignes, the Chinese continually confound him, for they

never call Jesus by any other name than Fot. Hist. de Huns

I posted another link to Volney's book, but I found out Knul - on one of his other sites about the OLB - has posted the whole book. And in a way that makes it easy to search for words, expressions and so on:

https://sites.google.com/site/oeralindabook/onderzoek/volney

I find it all highly suspicious.

OK, so a guy claims to have an old family chronicle but it is written in a script and language he can't read. So he asks the help of more learned people to translate it for him. They give him the translation and he starts reading. And lo and behold, he reads that passage about Jes-us, Kris-en, Fo, and Buda, and Kashmir, and thinks "Wow, I remember this passage!!", and runs to his library to grab Volney's book from a shelf, and yes, there it all is...

So what could he have done next, if he is as honest as innocent as he is thought to be? Write a letter to these 'learned men' and tell them he found a confirmation of a passage in his family chronicle from a modern book.

But if one of those 'learned men' already had doubts, their doubts would rise sky high after reading this 'confirmation'. They either would feel very fooled, and, to save their reputation, they would let no one else know about it, and hope no one else had read this French book.

Now suppose the guy isn't as honest and innocent as people think he is, and that he is one of those who fabricated the document, will he show one of the 'learned men' - after they had sent him the translation - that book by Volney, like "Hey, look what I found in this book that I have in my library!". I don't think so.

And if he is as honest and innoccent as he is supposed to be, and bought Volney's book AFTER he had been given the translation, he still could have informed those who did the translation for him.

[The Puzzler]

You read it whole and you didn't notice what I quoted in my former post?

Yeah, I noticed it but I don't have much of an opinion on it that I can think of right now. I'll reread your posts. I'm a bit tired.

Edited July 11, 2012 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

Yeah, I noticed it but I don't have much of an opinion on it that I can think of right now. I'll reread your posts. I'm a bit tired.

OK, I understand. It must be past midnight where you live.

Let me put it in a couple of sentences:

The OLB mentions Jes-us, Fo, Buda, Kris-en and Kasamyr in one passage.

In a book owned by Cornelis Over de Linden you read something like a copy of this passage with almost the exact same names. And that Jesus = Buddha = Fo(t), and born in Kashmir

No one in the 19th century mentions the book (as far as I know of).

Btw: the OLB uses "Fo", not "Fot". Fo = Faux = (French:) FALSE. Just likethe OLB says....

[Abramelin]

*** sorry, it may be the wrong 'Menno Knul'', for those who read my post****

If so, I am an ass. If not, I will repost again.

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I checked. I am an ass.

Well, better that I am an ass, than that I was right.

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Edited July 11, 2012 by Abramelin