Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[Abramelin]

Say Menno, where are you hanging out? Everything ok? I had almost planned to write your obituary, but it was your 13 years older namesake who had passed away.

[The Puzzler]

OK, I understand. It must be past midnight where you live.

Let me put it in a couple of sentences:

The OLB mentions Jes-us, Fo, Buda, Kris-en and Kasamyr in one passage.

In a book owned by Cornelis Over de Linden you read something like a copy of this passage with almost the exact same names. And that Jesus = Buddha = Fo(t), and born in Kashmir

No one in the 19th century mentions the book (as far as I know of).

Btw: the OLB uses "Fo", not "Fot". Fo = Faux = (French:) FALSE. Just likethe OLB says....

Yeah, it is a bit strange. ie; suspect.

Maybe Volney wrote the OLB or had something to do with it, because underneath it all - the part about Jesus, is the 'part we should give our best attention to.'

That I must tell you, and you must give your best attention to it.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#be

Edited July 11, 2012 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

Yeah, it is a bit strange. ie; suspect.

Maybe Volney wrote the OLB or had something to do with it, because underneath it all - the part about Jesus, is the 'part we should give our best attention to.'

That I must tell you, and you must give your best attention to it.

http://oeralinda.angelfire.com/#be

I don't think Volney wrote the OLB. He was French and was interested in / studied Sanskrit.

No, it was most likely someone or some people who knew several old Germanic languages (or at least Old Frisian), and a couple of modern languages.

As far as I know, Volney only wrote in his own language, French.

[Knul]

Say Menno, where are you hanging out? Everything ok? I had almost planned to write your obituary, but it was your 13 years older namesake who had passed away.

I am here ! I check the thread almost daily. You may be aware that I work on Roman topography nowadays. See my new website http://www.romanroads.nl/ , which so far contains texts only. You may find the Caereni (Kerenak) and the places in the Punjab, which play a role in the OLB. Unfortunately this takes much time now, but I will go on with the OLB. I have the letters of Cornelis over de Linden (written after the publication by Ottema) at hand, but they are in such a bad state, that I cannot scan them properly to add them to the site, so that I have to type them. They are interesting enough and show that Cornelis over de Linden by all means tried to sell the manuscript, which he earlier described as a family treasure. Next I must add yet explanatory notes to the texts (scans) of the OLB.

As for Volney, Cornelis over de Linden possessed the French and the Dutch translation. The book was tremendous popular. You should certainly read Frijmitselderij en Oera-Linda Boek by G.A. Wumkes (1923). I guess that the interpretation Fot > Fo = faux comes from Halbertsma, who opposed the Frijmitselderij.

Menno

[Abramelin]

Welcome back, lol! Yes. I have searched the web a couple of days ago, and saw you discussing Roman milestones on the Nifterlaken site, but those posts were from 4 weeks ago or something.

So you were just very busy with your websites. Well, I hope you didn't read that post that I deleted. I don't know how I would respond if someone wrote that about me. It was not a joke, btw.

About those websites: I have noticed I have to scroll from left to right for quite a distance when I open your websites. You use another browser than IE?

"Frijmitselderij", lol, that looks like "Free with celery", but it is "Vrijmetselarij" or "Freemasonry".

I didn't read the book, but I will try to find it.

That mysterious "Frisian friend" of Jes-us who called him 'Buda'... I thought it could be a hint at Halbertsma who was the first to write a booklet about Buddhism in Dutch (1843). What do you think?

[Otharus]

Good that you are still around, Menno, and doing an interesting job.

I will also mention what I have been working on lately, and what my plan for the near future is.

What I did:

1. a corrected and simplified transcription of the original manuscript.

2. a more logical order of the various texts that make up the OLB (see below).

3. online publication, so anyone can use it, and it can be improved later.

New OLB-order as used on aldfryas.blogspot.com

(between [...] original page number and line)

Note that from 1a till 4a is the largest part of which the order hardly changed; only two texts were inserted - Minno's Minerva and Frana's will.

I. Histories

1) "OMME 100 J.N.A." (ca. 100 years after Aldland sank)

a [047/01] to [050/18] how the old land was lost

b [050/19] to [053/12] Magjara and Finna

c [053/12] to [056/20] Wodin and the Magi

d [056/21] to [060/11] Tunis and Inka leave

e [060/12] to [061/27] Gola-priests from Sidon

2) "OMME 600 J.N.A." (ca. 600 years after Aldland sank)

a [061/28] to [065/14] war Kalta and Minerva

b [065/15] to [068/16] seaking Jon helps Minerva

c [068/17] to [071/29] Minerva and Jon leave

d [033/21] to [040/10] Minerva or Nyhellénja by Minno

e [072/01] to [075/07] Gértmanna move to Pangab

3) "OMME 1000 J.N.A." (ca. 1000 years after Aldland sank)

a [075/08] to [079/10] Ulysus, Sékrops, Athénja

4) "1600 JÉR NÉI ALDLAND SVNKEN IS" (1600 years after Aldland sank)

a [079/11] to [085/11], [141/26] to [142/01], [085/12] to [087/18] Denmarks lost, Frana killed, Frana's (forged?) will

b [001/01] to [005/29] Adela's plan, grévetmen

c [091/11] to [097/28] Brunno ~ epitaph Adela

d [087/19] to [091/11] Adelbrost and Apollanja

e [106/10] to [113/21] Apollanja's burg and journey

f [134/22] to [141/25] Dela or Hellénja ~ Jesus

5) "BIFARA 1900 J.N.A. ~ LJUDGÉRT" (before 1900 y.a.A.s.; Ljudgért's notes)

a [163/10] to [168/19] Pangab

b [120/10] to [126/01] Alexander

c [126/01] to [130/20] Friso

6) "AFTER 1900 J.N.A. ~ FRÉTHORIK, WILJO, KONERÉD, BÉDEN" (from ca. 1900 a.A.; arrival of Friso and Gértmen)

a [113/23] to [120/10], [130/21] to [133/16] Fréthorik Oera Linda

b [133/17] to [134/21], [142/01] to [142/32], [157/32] to [163/09] Wiljo and Gosa Makonta

c [143/01] to [150/19] Koneréd and Friso

d [150/19] to [157/32] Friso and Adel

e [168/20] to [168/32], [189/01] to [192/32] Béden and Rika

7) "TWISK 2000 AND 2200 J.N.A. ~ VR SWARTE ADEL" (Black Adel; between 2000 - 2200 yrs. after Aldland)

[195/01] to [198/19] Asega Askar

[198/19] to [202/06] other tribes

[202/06] to [206/29] Réintja from Stavja

[206/30] to [210/32] foul ethics and the pest

II. Other

8) "3000 AND 3450 J.N.A." (letters Liko and Hidde, 3000 resp. 3450 yrs. after Aldland)

unnumbered pages at the beginning of the manuscript

9) "RÉD AND DÉD" (laws, rules, justice, etc.)

a [011/13] to [014/08] Frya's Tex

b [014/09] to [014/31] Fasta

c [040/11] to [044/27] Wéta, Setma, Domar

d [029/13] to [033/20], [026/21] to [027/11] Minno about revenge and Éwa

e [015/01] to [021/14] burg- and common laws

f [027/12] to [029/12] laws for navigators

g [021/15] to [026/20] war-laws (incl. 'rights mother, kings, all Fryas')

10) "TELLINGA" (tales)

a [005/30] to [006/32] creation myth

b [097/29] to [103/25] Wralda 'theology'

c [045/01] to [047/05] the Jol (wheel)

d [007/01] to [011/12] Lyda, Finda, Frya

e [044/07] to [044/27], [103/26] to [106/09] two parables: cornthieves and Trast

(with thanks to my Muse)

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As for my plans.

I intend to move and go back to university (Leuven, Flanders).

My initial thought was to study History or Language & Literature, but now it's Philosophy.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Otharus

[Abramelin]

Otharus, you're going to add a translation into English too? I know it will be a difficult task as you know by the many discussions we all had about words used in the OLB.

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And what made you change your mind about that study in Leuven, if you don't mind me asking?

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Edited July 12, 2012 by Abramelin

[Knul]

Welcome back, lol! Yes. I have searched the web a couple of days ago, and saw you discussing Roman milestones on the Nifterlaken site, but those posts were from 4 weeks ago or something.

So you were just very busy with your websites. Well, I hope you didn't read that post that I deleted. I don't know how I would respond if someone wrote that about me. It was not a joke, btw.

About those websites: I have noticed I have to scroll from left to right for quite a distance when I open your websites. You use another browser than IE?

"Frijmitselderij", lol, that looks like "Free with celery", but it is "Vrijmetselarij" or "Freemasonry".

I didn't read the book, but I will try to find it.

That mysterious "Frisian friend" of Jes-us who called him 'Buda'... I thought it could be a hint at Halbertsma who was the first to write a booklet about Buddhism in Dutch (1843). What do you think?

Thanks for your comment on scrolling. In the coming days I shall revise it. You are rigtht, that Halbertsma was the first to write about Buddhism in the Netherlands. I did not find Volney in the Halbertsma library, but he has cetainly read the book.

[Otharus]

Otharus, you're going to add a translation into English too?

No, maybe much later, when I have nothing else to do.

For now I only write things that I want to read myself.

And what made you change your mind about that study in Leuven, if you don't mind me asking?

Philosophy is (or should be) the foundation of all sciences.

I am going to the oldest university of the Low Lands (founded 1425), so I might as well choose the oldest study.

Besides, I am not only going to argue why OLB's authenticity should be reconsidered, I will also think about the possible consequences of a growing popularity of the book.

[Knul]

Good that you are still around, Menno, and doing an interesting job.

I will also mention what I have been working on lately, and what my plan for the near future is.

What I did:

1. a corrected and simplified transcription of the original manuscript.

2. a more logical order of the various texts that make up the OLB (see below).

3. online publication, so anyone can use it, and it can be improved later.

New OLB-order as used on aldfryas.blogspot.com

(between [...] original page number and line)

Note that from 1a till 4a is the largest part of which the order hardly changed; only two texts were inserted - Minno's Minerva and Frana's will.

As for my plans.

I intend to move and go back to university (Leuven, Flanders).

My initial thought was to study History or Language & Literature, but now it's Philosophy.

I think you are absolutely right to think of a new order of chapters. Ottema has related all the chapters to members of the Over de Linden family, so that other writers have been neglected. In the Italian translation the legislation has been put at the end, because it is the less attractive part of the text. A chronological order would be very useful. I congratulate you with your plan to study philosophy.

[Otharus]

I think you are absolutely right to think of a new order of chapters. [...] I congratulate you with your plan to study philosophy.

Thanks!

[Abramelin]

No, maybe much later, when I have nothing else to do.

For now I only write things that I want to read myself.

Philosophy is (or should be) the foundation of all sciences.

I am going to the oldest university of the Low Lands (founded 1425), so I might as well choose the oldest study.

Besides, I am not only going to argue why OLB's authenticity should be reconsidered, I will also think about the possible consequences of a growing popularity of the book.

Yes, from your posts about the OLB I already gathered you are more interested in its philosophy than the history it describes.

Personally I prefer to see some real archeological proof first. The philosophy of the OLB is interesting enough, but it could have easily been created using already existing Buddhistically oriented or humanistic philosophies.

[lilthor]

"Frijmitselderij", lol, that looks like "Free with celery", but it is "Vrijmetselarij" or "Freemasonry".

I had wondered whether the OLB makes any reference to ancient societies like this. Forgive my ignorance if this has been discussed here already, but what views does it have on this "Frijmitselderij"?

[Otharus]

I had wondered whether the OLB makes any reference to ancient societies like this. Forgive my ignorance if this has been discussed here already, but what views does it have on this "Frijmitselderij"?

No OLB doesn't have references to any society.

Some hoax theorists suggested that it might have been made by Freemasons.

[Abramelin]

I had wondered whether the OLB makes any reference to ancient societies like this. Forgive my ignorance if this has been discussed here already, but what views does it have on this "Frijmitselderij"?

Knul mentioned a book I never heard of before. I also never heard of any Freemasons involved in creating the OLB. It's a first for me too.

And I haven't found an online copy of the book, so I hope Knul is willing to post something about it.

Or a couple of scans, that would already be nice.

[Abramelin]

Otharus, about what I said about 'archeological proof'... maybe you should read this last page of the Doggerland thread:

http://www.unexplain...0

All hope is not lost, lol.

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Edited July 12, 2012 by Abramelin

[lilthor]

No OLB doesn't have references to any society.

Some hoax theorists suggested that it might have been made by Freemasons.

Ok...thanks.

Knul mentioned a book I never heard of before. I also never heard of any Freemasons involved in creating the OLB. It's a first for me too.

And I haven't found an online copy of the book, so I hope Knul is willing to post something about it.

Or a couple of scans, that would already be nice.

It seems like the Freemasons and their ilk would be the very antithesis of "Earth Mother" societies' way of life.

Edited July 12, 2012 by lilthor

[Abramelin]

It seems like the Freemasons and their ilk would be the very antithesis of "Earth Mother" societies' way of life.

I must admit I know next to nothing about the Freemasons. Except about their 'secret handshakes'. You know, like boy scouts, heh.

[lilthor]

I must admit I know next to nothing about the Freemasons. Except about their 'secret handshakes'. You know, like boy scouts, heh.

Me neither...but this source looks pretty good:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1183

lol

[Abramelin]

Me neither...but this source looks pretty good:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1183

lol

Great link:

Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States

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EDIT:

But I don't give up that easily...

I used a proxy server , and I think this is what you are on about:

[media=]

[/media]LOL.

https://www.vtunnel....69d6e3b00e18088

LOL.

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Edited July 12, 2012 by Abramelin

[Knul]

Knul mentioned a book I never heard of before. I also never heard of any Freemasons involved in creating the OLB. It's a first for me too.

And I haven't found an online copy of the book, so I hope Knul is willing to post something about it.

Or a couple of scans, that would already be nice.

Here is the full description:

Wumkes, G.A.

Frijmitselderij en Oera-Linda-boek

fen G.A. Wumkes . – overdr. – Snits [sneek] : Brandenburgh, Boschma, 1923. – 32 p. : mei in portret en 2 facsimilé’s. ; 18 cm.

Oerprintsel út: It Heitelân; jrg. 5 (1923), nû. 16-18

sign.: RAN-8-1-WUMK-1

Trefw.: esoterie, vrijmetselarij, Oera-linda-boek

s. http://www.theosofie.nl/2010/tm-april-2010/

I have copied some pages to my website (temporarily): http://rodinbook.nl/olbvrijmetselarij.html . The text is in Frisian.

[Abramelin]

Here is the full description:

Wumkes, G.A.

Frijmitselderij en Oera-Linda-boek

fen G.A. Wumkes . – overdr. – Snits [sneek] : Brandenburgh, Boschma, 1923. – 32 p. : mei in portret en 2 facsimilé’s. ; 18 cm.

Oerprintsel út: It Heitelân; jrg. 5 (1923), nû. 16-18

sign.: RAN-8-1-WUMK-1

Trefw.: esoterie, vrijmetselarij, Oera-linda-boek

s. http://www.theosofie.../tm-april-2010/

I have copied some pages to my website (temporarily): http://rodinbook.nl/...metselarij.html . The text is in Frisian.

Don't delete it right now, ok?

Why can I do this:

And why can't you, lol??

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EDIT:

OK, I have saved all the pages.

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Edited July 12, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Ok Menno, if you want you can delete the images now.

I have copied those pages to my blog:

http://oeralinda.blo...reemasonry.html

I will have to upload them to my Photobucket account, and resize them so people can actually read the text.

That is, if they can read modern Frisian.

I can read the OLB lingo, but I have a lot more problems reading the pseudo-Dutch these guys and girls speak nowadays.

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Edited July 12, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Menno, you have a translation at hand??

I added a quote from "Skeptic.nl", but that won't do it for those who can't read modern Frisian.

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Edited July 12, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Better late than never...

I'd like to give my compliments to both Knul and Otharus for creating blogs/websites about the OLB.

I am kind of sort of 'disorganized' lately, or in layman's terms, a fkg mess.

But these guys have created very informative websites.

If only Knul could find himself a translator to translate the tome of information he posted in Dutch.

I am busy uploading posts of mine to my own OLB blog.

And that means wading through a mile of text, jesus.

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Edited July 12, 2012 by Abramelin