aliens its time to PUT UP or SHUT UP!

[bettybiggles]

Hi this is mainly in regards to billy meier or blossom goodchild or any of the other people claiming to be contacted by aliens with `messages for mankind`, every time a promise of an event is made and broken, we get all kinds of excuses like the government manipulated the event, we werent ready etc you name it

If the `pleadians` chose meier because they have such an important message for mankind, why could they not give him one undeniable piece of evidence to show mankind that they exist, that way everyone would be billy meier believers, and their message would be heard by the world...

but a ship that looks like a toy on a tree, thats it? thats the best these beings who come from far away can do? really?

How hard is it for them to just show themselves

Yet when michael horn who is billy meiers spokesman is asked why is there no undeniable proof, he doesnt answer he just goes on about b.m`s prophecies and the field and beamship sound samples etc and like a true politician ends up talking about everything except the question.`!

If these pleadians genuinely want to help mankind.... JUST SHOW UP, thats all, or do something undeniable, turn the sky green and white, make a cow fly, do SOMETHING!!!!

All these people channelling light beings or whatever, its time to make a stand and tell these entities that there is only so much of the love and light twallop we are prepared to listen to, these beings have talked the talk now they must do something - either put up or shut up, and dont give us any of the `you are not ready yet for us`...

If they genuinely want to help, then as advanced beings im sure they know damn well the only way humanity on a major scale are going to change their ways is by seeing undeniable proof of these entities existing!

[Mikko-kun]

I dont see how seeing a higher power than ourselves exist would help us in any way. We can't know the true intentions of those higher powers. Assuming we wouldn't be lied to by them is absurd. If beings like us are capable of lying and malice, why not them? We have high technology and our ethics and whatnots have seen much thought after, but it doesn't change the fact that many of us still act destructively and submit to the collective destructive wheel called "modern civilized society and it's all wonders".

Stand on your own feet instead of pushing yourself to the lap of a higher power. Standing on your own feet doesn't prevent you from believing in anything.

Things just dont always go your way in this world, no matter how hard you demand them to be so. If you think they're liars, there's a simple solution: stop listening to them. If you can't ascertain the faith yourself and feel the need for ascertaining your faith, that's the end of that. You can't do what you can't do.

If you dont like what these guys are doing, if you dont think they're right, then do the research yourself and prove or disprove the pleadians yourself. Bashing an existing theory is fruitless if you can't bring up a better view of the matter at hand. You can't stop a liar from lying unless you literally cut off his tongue or kill him, but you can kill the credibility, and to genuinely do that, it takes more than just throwing demands. Sorry if I was harsh with my words, with all respect.

[Sensible Logic]

Hi this is mainly in regards to billy meier or blossom goodchild or any of the other people claiming to be contacted by aliens with `messages for mankind`, every time a promise of an event is made and broken, we get all kinds of excuses like the government manipulated the event, we werent ready etc you name it

As far as Meier, his was just a scam nothing else. The pictures of "Pleadians" were really pictures of backup singers for I believe Dean Martin. The beam ship wasn't real. The whole thing was a hoax to make billy money, nothing more.

[DBunker]

Billy Meier....... people channelling light beings......

No need to say more about it.

[bison]

The credibility of the claimants to extraterrestrial contact, named in the original post, seems far from solid. The more general idea of extraterrestrials from the Pleiades star cluster can be examined astronomically. The stars in the Pleiades are of type B, and less than 100 million years old. There has not been time for life, let alone intelligent life, to have evolved there.

***** Even the existence of planets around such stars is doubtful. These are rapidly rotating stars, and do not appear to have surrendered momentum to a surrounding proto-planetary disk. Without such a disk, there would be nothing out of which to form planets. Even late-coming extraterrestrials would have to import the matter to build planets, if they wished to live there. This would be an immense undertaking and very probably unnecessary. There appear to be a great number of ready-made planets available, around much longer-lived stars than those of the Pleiades.

*****We do not appear to be in a position to fully understand the motives of any extraterrestrials who may be present in our part of space. Why they would have not openly revealed themselves to us is subject to speculation. If one dislikes the 'we're not yet ready' scenario, many others are available; some have been given on this forum. Among these: 1.) We're too savage to be fit company for such beings; 2.) Humans do not formally reveal themselves to ant colonies, so why should ETs reveal themselves in this manner to us? 3.) We may be indefintely off-limits to formal, open Contact, as denizens of a planetary biological and cultural reserve.

Edited May 25, 2012 by bison

[Space Commander Travis]

Nice to see dear old Blossom popping up again.

I do find it interesting how the opinions of the views that ETs (whoever they may be) would take of us seem to fall under one of two stools* : either they'd be (a) Ascended Beings who live in Peace and Harmony and all the rest of that rather boring way of life that's attributed to them, wear white robes and have slightly unfashionably long blond hair, and go around being generally beatific, and so would either want to Help Mankind and ask absolutely nothing of us in return, or alternatively would keep miles away from us because we're so irremedeemably primitive and war-like; or

( b ) they themselves would be a horrifically rapacious and completely conscience-free race who would exploit us to serve their Sinister ends, and having used us, they would not hesitate to throw us away like a used fast food wrapper. A subsidiary theory that sort of combines both of these is that they'd pursue the theory of pre-emptive self defense, and would wipe us out with an antimatter bomb before we could spread our warlike and aggressive ways to he rest of the civilised galaxy. Could it not be that The ETs might not pursue any one overall policy, because there might be all sorts of different races and they might perhaps have differening agendas, some of which may well conflict with others? I suppose it depends if there is a United Federation of Planets or Galactic Empire***, or whether it's a fairly uncoordinated and free for all approach as to who explores where and whether or not to make contact.

* can you fall under a stool?

** I suppose you might under a bar stool, if you'd been drinking enough

*** although I expect i could probably guess what policy the Empire would adopt. Have yous een that moon of Saturn that looks suspiciously likle the Death Star?

Edited May 25, 2012 by 747400

[zoser]

Hi this is mainly in regards to billy meier or blossom goodchild or any of the other people claiming to be contacted by aliens with `messages for mankind`, every time a promise of an event is made and broken, we get all kinds of excuses like the government manipulated the event, we werent ready etc you name it

If the `pleadians` chose meier because they have such an important message for mankind, why could they not give him one undeniable piece of evidence to show mankind that they exist, that way everyone would be billy meier believers, and their message would be heard by the world...

but a ship that looks like a toy on a tree, thats it? thats the best these beings who come from far away can do? really?

How hard is it for them to just show themselves

Yet when michael horn who is billy meiers spokesman is asked why is there no undeniable proof, he doesnt answer he just goes on about b.m`s prophecies and the field and beamship sound samples etc and like a true politician ends up talking about everything except the question.`!

If these pleadians genuinely want to help mankind.... JUST SHOW UP, thats all, or do something undeniable, turn the sky green and white, make a cow fly, do SOMETHING!!!!

All these people channelling light beings or whatever, its time to make a stand and tell these entities that there is only so much of the love and light twallop we are prepared to listen to, these beings have talked the talk now they must do something - either put up or shut up, and dont give us any of the `you are not ready yet for us`...

If they genuinely want to help, then as advanced beings im sure they know damn well the only way humanity on a major scale are going to change their ways is by seeing undeniable proof of these entities existing!

How likely is it really that some groups have not made contact already? I would say that the odds are millions to one that they have already, it's just that Mr and Mrs Brown are kept well out of the loop. Unless the control and censorship machine eases it's quite likely that several more generations of people will pass away never being allowed access to the truth. You and me included.