booNyzarC Posted November 23, 2012 #4351 Share Posted November 23, 2012 LOL Boon; your really funny That wasn't for your benefit zoser, it was for the benefit of anyone else who follows this TT thread of yours. You're far too resistant to prosaic explanations for those links to shake your faith, but there are others more open to reason who might find them of value. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 23, 2012 Author #4352 Share Posted November 23, 2012 That wasn't for your benefit zoser, it was for the benefit of anyone else who follows this TT thread of yours. You're far too resistant to prosaic explanations for those links to shake your faith, but there are others more open to reason who might find them of value. Cheers. I thought this case would attract your attention. It's certainly a good one isn't it? I'm just going to look at the other two youtube clips. BRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 23, 2012 Author #4353 Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) Interestingly here is another one; from a couple of years later in the same area: It looks as if the uploader has attached the 2007 footage to the front of the clip. Did he do that to allow comparison with the object further on in the clip? I'm not sure. The second object looks intriguing in itself. [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3rTq5Edmp4&feature=related[/media] Edited November 23, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 23, 2012 Author #4354 Share Posted November 23, 2012 The analysis in the following clip refers to two objects either side of the main object that fade out. Not sure if this is on the clip posted on the last page but it would certainly be interesting to see. Explanation of Kumburgaz UFO Video -TURKEY (2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 23, 2012 Author #4355 Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) Information on the analysis of the Turkey footage: SUMMARY OF THE CASE This case developed in the location of Kumburgaz between the years 2007, 2008 and 2009. Its main witness was a night guard named Yalcin Yalman, while on duty who registered on video these estrange objects that appeared at sunrise like floating or changing while in flight over the sea coast of Marmara. Yalman was able to film many video segments, some during day light accompanied by witnesses with whom he spoke to while he was filming. One singularity of this case was that the images were made with a camera that had an adaptor for close ups of 200X, achieving a great amount of details of the objects. At first, the videos were analysed and made public by the SIRIUS UFO organization, directed by the researcher Haktan Akdogan. This case made big news in Turkey and in other countries as well. It also started a great debate between the official members of the Turkish scientific community. Specifically the NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR THE STUDY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (TUBITAK) got interested in analysing the original footage, with the intention of determining that the video was nothing more than a hoax, gambling on the idea of scale models or toys, or CGI. The original tape was handed to the TUBITAK representatives on live TV in their own headquarters. Once the analysis concluded, they gave an official report, from which we took the following fragment: "The objects observed on the images have a structure made of a specific material and definitely itís no any kind of CGI animation or in any means a type of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for video effects. So the conclusion of this report is that the observations are not a model, maquette or a fraud". At the last part of the report, it's concluded that the objects observed have a physical structure and are made of materials that donít belong to any category (airplanes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, Satellites, artificial lights, Chinese lanterns, etc.) and that it mostly fits in the category of UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects and of unknown origin). Other analysis were done by video specialist, image edition and special effect companies from Japan, Russia and Turkey, all ending up with the same conclusions. In Chile, I ask professor José Atenas for his cooperation, expert in graphics and video edition, with more than 30 years of experience on television, to technically examine the videos. In his appreciation, José Atenas also came to the same conclusions that the images are authentic. So far nobody has been able to demonstrate that the recordings are product of tricks or some type of manipulation. Edited November 23, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 23, 2012 #4356 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Hmm... I could see removal of the picture, but the whole post? Odd, but okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 23, 2012 Author #4357 Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) Hmm... I could see removal of the picture, but the whole post? Odd, but okay. Can we stick to the subject Boon please? There's a lot to be gained; I seriously doubt whether anyone is analysing these cases as seriously as they are being looked at here. Take a look at my last post. Edited November 23, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 23, 2012 #4358 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Can we stick to the subject Boon please? There's a lot to be gained; I seriously doubt whether anyone is analysing these cases as seriously as they are being looked at here. Take a look at my last post. My removed post was sticking to the subject, for the most part. It was me expressing my opinion about the case. The picture wasn't, I'll give you that much, but my criticism of the footage is valid and my criticism of Dr. Leir and Jaime Maussan's treatment of the footage is also valid. As for your mentioned post, I preemptively dealt with that argument with Linky Dinky 3. How you might ask? Well, nobody is saying that the video was edited or manipulated. That's all the analysis you reference showed. It doesn't prove that it is extraterrestrial, nor does it even prove that it was flying. The other links I've provided give very strong arguments for concluding that the footage is of a ship on the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 23, 2012 Author #4359 Share Posted November 23, 2012 My removed post was sticking to the subject, for the most part. It was me expressing my opinion about the case. The picture wasn't, I'll give you that much, but my criticism of the footage is valid and my criticism of Dr. Leir and Jaime Maussan's treatment of the footage is also valid. As for your mentioned post, I preemptively dealt with that argument with Linky Dinky 3. How you might ask? Well, nobody is saying that the video was edited or manipulated. That's all the analysis you reference showed. It doesn't prove that it is extraterrestrial, nor does it even prove that it was flying. The other links I've provided give very strong arguments for concluding that the footage is of a ship on the water. OK; I'll take a look at them tomorrow and give you my feedback. Seriously though it is an interesting case. I have not found the footage showing the two other objects either side of the main object yet. What of the 'alien creatures' in the viewing window? I honestly don't know what to make of this because of the irony of it. On the one hand it can give the impression of some cynical hoax. On the other hand if you wanted to create the ideal hoax would you have put two aliens in the clip? I don't know what to make of that one. Maybe someone will find some further information on the case while I get some shut eye? I certainly would love to know more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted November 24, 2012 #4360 Share Posted November 24, 2012 OK; I'll take a look at them tomorrow and give you my feedback. Seriously though it is an interesting case. I have not found the footage showing the two other objects either side of the main object yet. What of the 'alien creatures' in the viewing window? I honestly don't know what to make of this because of the irony of it. On the one hand it can give the impression of some cynical hoax. On the other hand if you wanted to create the ideal hoax would you have put two aliens in the clip? I don't know what to make of that one. Maybe someone will find some further information on the case while I get some shut eye? I certainly would love to know more. I looked at these when they first came out. IMHO they're as fake as a 3 dollar bill. How could you see aliens in a viewing window. Ever notice that aircraft cockpits, and car interiors for that matter are dark at night? It's so you can see out the windows. With the lights on the windows become mirrors and the occupants can't see out. If there were aliens looking out they would have had the lights off. These are fake. They may be verified that they are actual videos of something and not CGI, but the sure are not ETV's 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 24, 2012 Author #4361 Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) I looked at these when they first came out. IMHO they're as fake as a 3 dollar bill. How could you see aliens in a viewing window. Ever notice that aircraft cockpits, and car interiors for that matter are dark at night? It's so you can see out the windows. With the lights on the windows become mirrors and the occupants can't see out. If there were aliens looking out they would have had the lights off. These are fake. They may be verified that they are actual videos of something and not CGI, but the sure are not ETV's It's real. There were apparently at least 12 witnesses, one of which was Roger Leir, It's just worth browsing though though these links to pick up various details and who witnessed it. http://turkeyufocase.blogspot.com/ http://turkeyufocase.blogspot.com/p/dr-roger-leir-interviews.html http://www.facebook.com/Turkeyufocase http://www.youtube.c...&v=Hy6IYwcf3_k#! Edited November 24, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 24, 2012 Author #4362 Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) It's as real as rabbit stew. Too many witnesses, and the case as been scrutinised by many authorities. This is it. This is the case that those on the fence have been waiting for; maybe you saw it a few years ago and passed it by. My advice is look at it again now that more information has come to light and more analysis has been done. This case is the capstone of the entire thread. It began with dear Jesse Roestenburg from Staffordshire England, and it culminates on the Sea of Marmara in Turkey. If you are still unsure, scan the links in the above post. [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0W2SWd2-iPw[/media] If I were to make one more observation it would be that there is a point in this clip where the lights resemble the object seen in the Yuma footage and even the Denbigh and Fraserburgh cases. Maybe ET was completing some kind of US- European tour? Edited November 24, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 24, 2012 Author #4363 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Kumburgaz Turkey: Yuma Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 24, 2012 #4364 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I have to say they do look interesting. I really don't think they look like an aircraft or plane, whatever valiant efforts people may make to convince us, and there does seem to be very much a similarity.So the question must surely be, could it be a fake? if it had been just one picture or viedo that would be not implausible, but there do seem to be multiple witnesses. So, might it be something Scretive and military? (in that top picture, it looks as if it might possibly be a flying wing style shape)? Or if not, then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 24, 2012 Author #4365 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I have to say they do look interesting. I really don't think they look like an aircraft or plane, whatever valiant efforts people may make to convince us, and there does seem to be very much a similarity.So the question must surely be, could it be a fake? if it had been just one picture or viedo that would be not implausible, but there do seem to be multiple witnesses. So, might it be something Scretive and military? (in that top picture, it looks as if it might possibly be a flying wing style shape)? Or if not, then what? Good question. The Kumurgaz case is very well supported. Don't forget that the sightings lasted a long time; it should not be regarded as an isolated one off incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 24, 2012 #4366 Share Posted November 24, 2012 This case is the capstone of the entire thread. I can't argue with that. It most certainly is. But it still appears to just be a ship on the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 24, 2012 Author #4367 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I can't argue with that. It most certainly is. But it still appears to just be a ship on the water. When you say 'it'? Which image? Which sighting? The sightings lasted several days remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 24, 2012 #4368 Share Posted November 24, 2012 When you say 'it'? Which image? Which sighting? The sightings lasted several days remember. All of them, but probably different boats. There is enough variation in the footage to see that they aren't all of the same model. I'd bet we could go there on a fairly regular basis and pick up similar footage if we really wanted to. He's pointing the camera in the general direction of a marina after all. If I lived anywhere near Turkey I'd do it myself, but it's a long trek from the US west coast to Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 24, 2012 Author #4369 Share Posted November 24, 2012 All of them, but probably different boats. There is enough variation in the footage to see that they aren't all of the same model. I'd bet we could go there on a fairly regular basis and pick up similar footage if we really wanted to. He's pointing the camera in the general direction of a marina after all. If I lived anywhere near Turkey I'd do it myself, but it's a long trek from the US west coast to Turkey. Not convinced that you have reviewed the case properly but then you will never be convinced. No further material is needed to prove the ETH. The question is solved right here. If I find any further convincing material obviously I will post it, but is it really necessary? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZmcE0wQWg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 24, 2012 #4370 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Not convinced that you have reviewed the case properly but then you will never be convinced. I've looked into it several times, quite extensively, though admittedly it has been a while since I spent that time so not all of the details are on the tip of my tongue. As for me never being convinced, I certainly won't be convinced by things like this footage which, as I've already stated, appears to be ships or boats on the water. No further material is needed to prove the ETH. The question is solved right here. Erm... I'm not sure if there has ever been a more ridiculous assertion ever made than this. How on earth can anyone consider this footage to be proof of the ETH? What question is solved? How does this prove anything at all? If I find any further convincing material obviously I will post it, but is it really necessary? Yes, it is quite necessary if you truly want to prove the ETH. So far you haven't even come close to suggesting that the ETH is a likely conclusion, let alone proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 24, 2012 #4371 Share Posted November 24, 2012 All of them, but probably different boats. There is enough variation in the footage to see that they aren't all of the same model. I'd bet we could go there on a fairly regular basis and pick up similar footage if we really wanted to. He's pointing the camera in the general direction of a marina after all. If I lived anywhere near Turkey I'd do it myself, but it's a long trek from the US west coast to Turkey. D'you mean as shown in that picture? It looks even less like a boat than it does a civil Airliner, I'd say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 24, 2012 #4372 Share Posted November 24, 2012 D'you mean as shown in that picture? It looks even less like a boat than it does a civil Airliner, I'd say. I trust you've come to this conclusion after fully reviewing and assessing the information provided in my previous links? Looks like a ship on the water... Linky Dinky 1 Linky Dinky 2 Linky Dinky 3 And if you want to bring up that airliner video again, I am still awaiting your response to my last post on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted November 24, 2012 Author #4373 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I trust you've come to this conclusion after fully reviewing and assessing the information provided in my previous links? And if you want to bring up that airliner video again, I am still awaiting your response to my last post on the topic. With respect Boon, there is nothing in the links that is the slightest bit convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 24, 2012 #4374 Share Posted November 24, 2012 With respect Boon, there is nothing in the links that is the slightest bit convincing. Of course not. You're convinced that it is ET. Nothing is likely to sway you from that even though it is a completely unsubstantiated conclusion to reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 24, 2012 #4375 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I trust you've come to this conclusion after fully reviewing and assessing the information provided in my previous links? And if you want to bring up that airliner video again, I am still awaiting your response to my last post on the topic. the bridge of a ship or reflections in the windows of a Yacht? Imagiantive, but fairly tenuous, I'm afraid. oh dear, this is going to lead to another prolonged argument that's going to go on for days now, isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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