Tantalising Testimony

[TheMacGuffin]

* Incidentally, what is the most popular Rational explanation for the Cash/Landrum affair? It's surely indisputable that there was solid evidence there. is it going to be Military Secret projects? (in this case, a remarkably un-secret one, though)?

i know this is all in bold, but I rather like it.

Not one that anybody would ever admit to, even when the case went to federal court. Not even the military investigator who tried to help them was able to find out anything about it.

Of course, if all those helicopters really were sent out after a real UFO they might never have known what it was.

[booNyzarC]

"But I know that the first sighting coincided with the burn-up in the atmosphere of an exceptionally bright meteor, and that the airmen who saw the flashing UFO between the pine trees were looking straight at the Orford Ness lighthouse".

Ah, so basically it relies on a string of coincidences, then.

In a sense, yes it does partially rely on a string of coincidences, but it is still even more than just that. This case has become convoluted over the years, growing with each retelling, and with the introduction of memory regression therapy (i.e. brain butchery the likes of which endangers the accuracy of existing memories and risks the introduction of false memories). Plus, Jim Penniston has produced what I believe to be completely fabricated evidence (some of the pages in his 'notebook' and the casts he supposedly took of the 'landing site').

Stil, it's a theory that's worth considering, but I do hope people won't get as angry as often seems to happen if I don't embrace it straight away but perhaps will give it the consideration that it deserves and put it with all the various other theories that have been put forward. This seems to be an interesting aspect of all these things; people are laughed at, sneered at and mocked for jumping to the conclusion that something must be an ET craft, but if someone comes up with a Rational explanation, then the people who wear the badge of Skepticism with pride will happily accept that with open arms. I do hope that the same stringent standards are applied to these rational theories as they are to the more exotic suggestions.

Who has gotten angry with you?

As for stringent standards, I don't find the explanations provided by Ian Ridpath to be exotic or far fetched in the least. On the contrary, his accounting of events is consistent with the original reports filed and all verifiable facts that I've seen, whereas the fantastical versions touted by UFOlogy are not.

[psyche101]

It's a classic case Zoser. The military really buried this one for a good reason...the ETH derails their agenda.

What agenda.

[booNyzarC]

Unless the lighthouse was up in the air and showing up on radar in various locations, what they saw was definitely not the lighthouse.

Many times that night, UFOs were seen in opposite directions from the infamous lighthouse.

I'm sure this seemed clever when you were writing it, as I'm sure the many others who have made similar tongue in cheek comments thought as well. Unfortunately though it is nothing more than a strawman argument. Nobody is claiming that the lighthouse was up in the air. The establishment of the lighthouse as the primary culprit for much of the sighting is thanks to the original reports filed by the men who went out there. Specifically Burroughs and Cabansag, who both identified that they had been chasing exactly that for an extended period and over a distance which they estimated to be 2 miles.

Of course, until they discovered the source, they didn't know what it was. They thought possibly it was some kind of crashed aircraft, but who knows what else their imagination may have created for them if they had never ultimately identified the source?

[psyche101]

The incredible account of the sphere was submitted by Doctor Francisco Padron Leon, who lived in the city of Guia. His report is the most voluminous of the entire investigation. His background was thoroughly investigated, and he was found to be an upstanding, sane professional, whose word was considered truthful.

Padron had been summoned to make a house call, and commissioned a cab to take him to the location; the town of Las Rosas. As they rode along, the doctor and cab driver were engaged in light conversation. Suddenly, the car lights pointed out a slightly luminous object in the shape of a sphere.

The object was either landed, or hovering just above the ground. The object was made of a totally transparent and crystalline-like material. The doctor and driver both observed stars through the sphere. The object was bluish in color, with a radius of about 100 feet. The lower part of the orb contained a platform of aluminum-like material with three consoles. At each side of the center there were two huge figures from eight to ten feet tall. They were dressed in red, and always faced each other.

The beings were humanoid in shape, with large heads covered with a type of helmet. The doctor, hardly believing his own eyes, asked for confirmation from his cab driver.

"Are you seeing what I am?" he asked.

The driver exclaimed, "My God! What is that?"

The cab was only a short distance from the patient's house, and upon arriving, the doctor observed a type of bluish smoke coming from a tube rising through the center of the object.

The doctor stated: "We were talking about hunting... as we entered the last part of the road, the car lights pointed at a slightly luminous sphere that was stationary and very close to the ground, although I can't say for sure if it was touching it.

It was made of a totally transparent and crystalline-like material, since it was possible to see through it the stars in the sky; it had an electric blue color but tenuous, without dazzling; it had a radius of about 30 m. [100 ft.], and in the lower third of the sphere you could see a platform of aluminum-like color as if made of metal, and three large consoles.

At each side of the center there were two huge figures of 2.50 to 3 m. [8.5 to 10 ft.] tall, but no taller than 3 m. [10 ft.], dressed entirely in red and facing each other in such a way that I always saw their profile."

"Then I observed that some kind of bluish smoke was coming out from a semi-transparent central tube in the sphere, covering the periphery of the sphere's interior without leaking outside at any moment.

Then the sphere began to grow and grow until it became huge like a 20-story house, but the platform and the crew remained the same size; it rose slowly and majestically and it seems I heard a very tenuous whistling."

The sphere grew to an enormous size as it began to ascend into the sky. The doctor ran into the house, and told the family about what he had seen. Running outside, they observed the orb, which was now extremely high in the sky. It reached an enormous speed, accelerating toward Tenerfie.

I thought the Doctor, the cab driver, and the unnamed witness (relative of patient the doctor was visiting) were considered by authorities at the time to be telling a tall tale? The provided link support this?

There were several other sightings of a similar nature throughout the year of 1976 on the Island. The final "official" report was ambiguous at best.

The observance of the craft by all who saw it was accepted as genuine, although no "earthly" explanation was offered for its unique look and behavior.

On the other hand, although the witnesses of the smaller orb with aliens were classified as totally reliable, the actual presence of the beings was questioned. In other words, the witnesses were telling the truth, but what they saw was too far fetched to believe.

Although your best mate has an explanation which outlines some interesting time captures.

LINK

Mystery solved! The five most important cases in the UFO history of the Canary Islands actually were ballistic missiles launched from US Navy submarines, under the North Atlantic waters. Ricardo Campo, Press Office director of Anomaly Foundation (http://www.anomalia.org) informed the newswire agency EFE that they had contacted through the notorious ufologist Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos with several of the most prominent space experts in rockets and missiles. One of the scientists consulted was Jonathan McDowell, one of the main world authorities in the field, Ph. D. in Astrophysics by the University of Cambridge (Harvard-Smithsocian Center for Astrophysics). McDowell has been able to correlate dates and times of those five multitudinous sightings of luminous phenomena over the canarian skies with declassified records of the US Navy about intercontinental ballistic missile launchings. The data obtained identified their launching platforms (submarines), type of missile (Poseidon in every case) and time of launching. Other scientist consulted by Mr. Ballester Olmos in behalf of the Anomaly Foundation, an Spanish organization dedicated to the UFO study upon rigorous standards, was James Oberg, graduated summa cum laude in mathematics and specialist in orbital maneuvering system rockets. Oberg explained that the launches were made from the Eastern US Test Range, a big area covering from Cape Canaveral to Ascension Island. Unfortunately, the exact position of the submarines involved is still classified.

The UFO incidents so explained are the following:

• November 22nd, 1974.- A red light was seen climbing very quickly, then created a circular halo. This phenomenon recurred three times.
  
• June 22nd, 1976.- From the horizon a point of light was climbing, developing until it became a big brilliant semicircular halo. A foreign tourist was able to take a photo of the phenomenon.
  
• November 19th, 1976.- A point of light began to climb in a spiral, developing and expanding up to a gigantic diameter.
  
• March 24th, 1977.- A reddish light seemed to emerge from the sea, and was seem climbing very fast, revolting and leaving behind a big halo which lasted ten minutes.
  
• March 5th, 1979.- The most spectacular one. Multicoloured concentric rings were seen at the horizon. From them a point of light moved out leaving a luminous jet that began to expand developing a huge bright dome. Tens of photos were obtained that were mistakenly considered as UFOs by the most sensationalist Spanish ufologists.
  

These luminous phenomena were observed by thousands of astonished witnesses in the Canary Islands, and were also investigated by the Spanish Air Force. Even though the military inquiry was not very profound, the opinion of the Canary Islands Air Command suggested the possibility of missiles. Unfortunately, the low interest of the Spanish Ministry of Defence regarding UFOs, prevented to confirm such hypothesis then. 20 years later, the Anomaly Foundation, has been finally able to reach the bottom of the question.

Edited November 28, 2012 by psyche101

[psyche101]

Not one that anybody would ever admit to, even when the case went to federal court. Not even the military investigator who tried to help them was able to find out anything about it.

Of course, if all those helicopters really were sent out after a real UFO they might never have known what it was.

Reeks of liability to me. That UFO, I would say saved the Government face, and a tidy sum I imagine.

[synchronomy]

What agenda.

One main purpose of the Air Force (any) is to protect the sovereigny of airspace. If things are reported to be buzzing through airspace, whether unidentified or unexplained, and the Air Force cannot do anything about it, it's in their best interest to "come up" with a damn good story, such as the legendary "swamp gas" or "weather balloon", and if they can't they "bury it" by discrediting the reports or just slamming a top secret label on it. If they don't, they appear to be incompetent.

Their word is final and we, and the government in many instances have to live with it.

[TheMacGuffin]

Although your best mate has an explanation which outlines some interesting time captures.

I know he did. He always has an "explanation" like that, doesn't he? He can make just about anything sound plausible enough, except that they were never able to identify any submarines. LOL

[TheMacGuffin]

Reeks of liability to me. That UFO, I would say saved the Government face, and a tidy sum I imagine.

I doubt that anyone is ever going to know.

[TheMacGuffin]

I'm sure this seemed clever when you were writing it, as I'm sure the many others who have made similar tongue in cheek comments thought as well. Unfortunately though it is nothing more than a strawman argument. Nobody is claiming that the lighthouse was up in the air. The establishment of the lighthouse as the primary culprit for much of the sighting is thanks to the original reports filed by the men who went out there. Specifically Burroughs and Cabansag, who both identified that they had been chasing exactly that for an extended period and over a distance which they estimated to be 2 miles.

Of course, until they discovered the source, they didn't know what it was. They thought possibly it was some kind of crashed aircraft, but who knows what else their imagination may have created for them if they had never ultimately identified the source?

I think I mentioned before that there's more to this case than most people know. It wasn't just one UFO and it wasn't only at Rendlesham.

The lighthouse is just a very hasty cover story that doesn't account for anything. It's just good enough for government work and those who are incurious enough to go along with any kind of "explanation" that sounds plausible.

Edited November 28, 2012 by TheMacGuffin

[TheMacGuffin]

In a sense, yes it does partially rely on a string of coincidences, but it is still even more than just that. This case has become convoluted over the years, growing with

As for stringent standards, I don't find the explanations provided by Ian Ridpath to be exotic or far fetched in the least. On the contrary, his accounting of events is consistent with the original reports filed and all verifiable facts that I've seen, whereas the fantastical versions touted by UFOlogy are not.

I doubt that he has ever had all the "facts", although he make think he has. I heard about this one long before it became a big, famous public case in "Ufology".

[TheMacGuffin]

Yes, someone wrote an article in Spanish saying the UFO was a missile, but it seems that they were talking to some Russian colonel about UFO sightings in 1979. I don't even think he has his dates right.

http://www.ikaros.org.es/misiles.htm

Edited November 28, 2012 by TheMacGuffin

[TheMacGuffin]

Tell Oberg that I know some Russian colonels, too, and they told me different things about UFOs.

[psyche101]

One main purpose of the Air Force (any) is to protect the sovereigny of airspace. If things are reported to be buzzing through airspace, whether unidentified or unexplained, and the Air Force cannot do anything about it, it's in their best interest to "come up" with a damn good story, such as the legendary "swamp gas" or "weather balloon", and if they can't they "bury it" by discrediting the reports or just slamming a top secret label on it. If they don't, they appear to be incompetent.

Their word is final and we, and the government in many instances have to live with it.

Thanks, but still not understanding what the "agenda" is. I think that is an old line that has been pushed around the block one too many times, and I mean no disrespect to you in that. These things have been reported and confirmed for over 60 years, so this is not a threat, nobody has demanded arial rights to UFO's so sovereignty is not challenged, it seems to me that science is the authority here. Tesla seemed to think we can draw free energy from the air, and transmit it wirelessly. In fact he demonstrated so much. This seems to be the most likely usage, and in that case territorial mattered are superfluous. Nobody tells an arial plasma where to go or how to form. It strikes me that taking on the responsibility of "stopping a UFO" is akin to stopping a bolt of lighting? That takes it out of the military hands, unless a threat is perceived. It's more the bag of Meteorology and astrophysics from what I can tell, and these are the guys making the headway.

I must say, they do seem to be doing a far superior job as opposed to the military silliness of the 50's. Some of the claims I read make me think Gomer Pyle was a real recruit. I am stunned that the CIA maintains funding. From what I have read, that organisation seems to be the biggest waste of funding in military history. These days, we actually get some answers.

Mate, I gotta say, I remain unconvinced about some global Governmental conspiracy, when you and I discussed it, you came up with some ideas, and I appreciate that, but I felt the ideas left pretty much all of my questions unanswered. The US has no jurisdiction outside of US soil. Global conspiracy do not work. It contravenes what we see when Governments work together today.

The term Swamp Gas came from Hynek too, not the military. And his usage was valid. It did show him though that the public, who largely rely on the media, want a media type headline. Not the boring old prosaic. Big lesson for J Allen that day. With 6 billion people around, and many very conversant with modern technology, we see less UFO's and the tales are toned down. No more Venusians and Martians these days. Co-incidence?

[TheMacGuffin]

If you can read Spanish, the official report is here, dated November 19, 1976. Whatever this thing was, it hung arounf far too long to be a "missile" anyway.

http://www.planetabe...arias191176.htm

Edited November 28, 2012 by TheMacGuffin

[psyche101]

I know he did. He always has an "explanation" like that, doesn't he? He can make just about anything sound plausible enough, except that they were never able to identify any submarines. LOL

LOL, yes, he does, but he is in the right circles to find out this sort of thing, and he did come through with a launch location.

Oberg explained that the launches were made from the Eastern US Test Range

I doubt that anyone is ever going to know.

I agree. Liability is liability.

[TheMacGuffin]

I don't think that's a UFO either.

[psyche101]

If you can read Spanish, the official report is here, dated November 19, 1976. Whatever this thing was, it hung arounf far too long to be a "missile" anyway.

http://www.planetabe...arias191176.htm

Got me. My Spanish is non-existent.

I don't think that's a UFO either.

Of course not.

USO!!

You would not see the missile, just this bit:

Edited November 28, 2012 by psyche101

[TheMacGuffin]

When Oberg (or whoever) mentions the Eastern Test Range, he's talking about this area. It's not near the Canary Islands or even the North Atlantic Ocean. I don't think it has anything at all to do with this particular UFO case, although there have been some interesting UFO reports from that area, including Patrick Air Force Base.

Following the last SNARK launch in December 1960 and the last MERCURY mission in May 1963, half a dozen range stations were retired. The Mayaguez station was deactivated in August 1961, and the East Island Annex was inactive after 1963. The range's annexes in the Dominican Republic were given to the Dominican Government on 6 November 1962. Project FRESH LOOK eliminated the MOD II radar network in 1965. The range station on San Salvador was placed in caretaker status in March 1965, and it was officially closed on 31 January 1970. Range property on St. Lucia was either transferred to the Government of St. Lucia or eliminated by early December 1967. Apart from the airfield, all Mayaguana facilities were abandoned on 16 June 1970. The Missile Guidance Annex on Fernando de Noronha was returned to Brazil on 14 January 1969.

The APOLLO Lunar Landing program and the POSEIDON and MINUTEMAN III Research, Development, Test and Evaluation programs were completed in the early 1970s. Their termination prompted Project RESIZE. Under RESIZE, the AN-TPQ-18 radars on Grand Bahama Island and Ascension were transferred to the Pacific, and the range's MISTRAM and UDOP systems were deactivated. Grand Turk's command/destruct system was retired. The range's station on Eleuthera was transferred to the U.S. Navy on 1 July 1971. The radar and telemetry systems at Station 13 (Pretoria, South Africa) were mothballed in December 1969, and the property was returned to the Republic of South Africa on 8 January 1996.

http://www.google.co...4Z2QO6126fL_9_w

Edited November 28, 2012 by TheMacGuffin

[TheMacGuffin]

Got me. My Spanish is non-existent.

Of course not.

USO!!

You would not see the missile, just this bit:

They didn't see any missile at all, at least not from the Eastern Test Range, and certainly not a Poseidon test since those had already been completed by then.

Oberg or the Russian colonel or whoever got this one all jumbled up.

[psyche101]

They didn't see any missile at all, at least not from the Eastern Test Range, and certainly not a Poseidon test since those had already been completed by then.

Oberg or the Russian colonel or whoever got this one all jumbled up.

I don't know, two sources say the same thing, I do not know why they would be wrong at this stage. Test dates are listed in the article, and the Spanish source agrees that the dates match. I remember EOT trying to say that a Russin ICBM was in fact over Israel, and that clearly was not the case, but that distance puts the testing grounds within the ranges of the missile, as the testing range is a very large area.

[zoser]

This case has become convoluted over the years, growing with each retelling, and with the introduction of memory regression therapy

Why does that surprise you? Careers are at stake when ever a UFO is reported by the military; years ago probably even lives were at stake.

It's no surprise to me whatsoever that much of the disclosure from these cases has occurred during people's retirement from service.

[zoser]

I think I mentioned before that there's more to this case than most people know. It wasn't just one UFO and it wasn't only at Rendlesham.

The lighthouse is just a very hasty cover story that doesn't account for anything. It's just good enough for government work and those who are incurious enough to go along with any kind of "explanation" that sounds plausible.

Putting it succinctly it gives those who need it a fire exit. Many cannot handle the truth because they are not psychologically or mentally up to it. I believe this to be the truth.

[synchronomy]

Thanks, but still not understanding what the "agenda" is. I think that is an old line that has been pushed around the block one too many times, and I mean no disrespect to you in that. These things have been reported and confirmed for over 60 years, so this is not a threat, nobody has demanded arial rights to UFO's so sovereignty is not challenged, it seems to me that science is the authority here. Tesla seemed to think we can draw free energy from the air, and transmit it wirelessly. In fact he demonstrated so much. This seems to be the most likely usage, and in that case territorial mattered are superfluous. Nobody tells an arial plasma where to go or how to form. It strikes me that taking on the responsibility of "stopping a UFO" is akin to stopping a bolt of lighting? That takes it out of the military hands, unless a threat is perceived. It's more the bag of Meteorology and astrophysics from what I can tell, and these are the guys making the headway.

I must say, they do seem to be doing a far superior job as opposed to the military silliness of the 50's. Some of the claims I read make me think Gomer Pyle was a real recruit. I am stunned that the CIA maintains funding. From what I have read, that organisation seems to be the biggest waste of funding in military history. These days, we actually get some answers.

Mate, I gotta say, I remain unconvinced about some global Governmental conspiracy, when you and I discussed it, you came up with some ideas, and I appreciate that, but I felt the ideas left pretty much all of my questions unanswered. The US has no jurisdiction outside of US soil. Global conspiracy do not work. It contravenes what we see when Governments work together today.

The term Swamp Gas came from Hynek too, not the military. And his usage was valid. It did show him though that the public, who largely rely on the media, want a media type headline. Not the boring old prosaic. Big lesson for J Allen that day. With 6 billion people around, and many very conversant with modern technology, we see less UFO's and the tales are toned down. No more Venusians and Martians these days. Co-incidence?

Excellent post.

You've given me a lot to think about and no doubt I'll be chewing on it all day.

Perhaps my use of the word "agenda" isn't the best choice. No doubt it has been influenced by my career working with government, police, military, and private sector firms in the same or similar capacity, that being summarizing the spending of public funds to ensure it "fits" or to "justify use" within the laws and by-laws authorizing their use as such. Which it did. It was a frequent term I heard from higher-ups..."Make sure it fits the agenda"

There were times due to unforeseen circumstances, emergencies, errors, or downright stupidity or improper decisions that big bucks were committed to, which in hindsight could have and/or should have been spent in more effective and efficient ways.

If you perceive I am writing that with a bit of polish, glitter, and smokescreening...you are correct. Lets leave it at that. In most cases I was bound, and still am, to ND agreements.

I don't mean to imply that I had access to information pertaining to "UFO" type subjects...lol...not at all. It's just that the reports to the public and the entire chain of information and events leading to the final report are subject to FOI legislation...so the final reporting and facts must remain unaltered. I often had "secret" clearance. I always laugh when whistle blowers say that. They imply often that it gave them access to any file where they worked, and it doesn't work that way at all. Everything I experienced had to be accessed on a "need to know" basis. Often requiring jumping through hoops to back it up.

I suppose my experience wrt this work has led me to highly doubt the testimonies of many Disclosure Project witnesses and other "whistleblower" folks such as Bob Lazer. He is a classic example and in future generations if you look up bovine feces in the dictionary his picture will be there.

Maybe when I use the term "agenda", it would be more appropriate say "prime directive".

In referring to "sovereignty"...maybe "our territories and airspace"

I don't really like the term "conspiracy" because by very definition it implies illegal activity.

As far as a "global" initiative to cover-up the ETH or just UFO's, its just perceived as such because all the militaries and governments of various countries have the same/similar "prime directive".

I do not believe their is any cooperation between governments worldwide in this regard, just that they all have objective to attain the same goals.

[zoser]

Vancouver Island - 1981

Best Flying Saucer Photo Ever?

Mrs. Hannah McRoberts (aged 25) of Campbell River, BC, was with her family at a rest-area some thirty miles to the north of Kelsey Bay on the east coast of Vancouver Island, from October 8 to 15, 1981.

During this five-day period she says she took a number of pictures of her family and of the local scenery, using her 35 mm Mamiya camera with a 50-55 mm lens, 125 speed, and ASA 100 film.

At one point during the holiday they observed that one of the mountain peaks was surmounted by a cloud somewhat suggestive, as they described it, of "a volcano issuing steam," so Mrs. McRoberts snapped that as well.

None of the party noticed anything else in the air at the time, and the presence of the UFO was therefore only discovered by them when the prints and negatives came back to them after processing.

The resulting photograph shows an object to the right of and above the peak and the plume of cloud. This photo came to the attention of Mr. David A. C. Powell of Vancouver, who is on the staff of the McMillan Planetarium in that city, who in turn contacted Bill Allan, and provided him with an enlargement, and also got in contact the APRO of Tucson, Arizona, the respected American UFO investigation group who claim now to be the oldest in the world.

After many examinations of the photo, the negative was finally delivered to Richard F. Haines, Editor of the Journal of Scientific Exploration for analysis.

Haines determined that what Hannah had captured unwittingly in her photo of the mountain was a genuine airborne object and not the result of emulsion deformity or optical illusion of the camera's inner mechanisms.

From Report: Abstract--This report reviews various investigative activities and analyses surrounding a photograph of a purported unidentified flying object (UFO) taken on October 8, 1981, at about 11:00 AM, local time on Vancouver Island, British Columbia.

The evidence consisted of a single frame of 35 mm colour film which showed a sharply focused disc-like object against a clear blue sky with wooded mountain peak nearby.

Analyses of the original negative included micro-densitometry, computer enhancements, and other measurements intent upon showing a support thread, atmospheric disturbance, or other evidences of a hoax.

These analyses suggest that the disc was a three dimensional object located at a distance of at least 30 feet from the camera; the object's surface albedo was diffuse and of lower luminance than a sunlit cloud. Extensive interviews with the photographer (who never saw the aerial object), her husband, and daughter and site survey tended to support the entire narrative account.

The identity of the disc object remains unidentified.

The family was on their way to visit her sister at Holberg, located at the northwest tip of Vancouver Island. Mrs. D.M. was an outgoing, pleasant person with a casual interest in UFOs. Inspection of their home did not indicate any interest at all in the occult, the psychic realm, or related subjects.

Mr. D.M. worked at the lumber mill in Campbell River.

Neither person claimed to have read any books specifically on UFOs, but had seen the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." The husband was an avid science fiction fan in earlier years.

A battery of optical tests were performed on the negative to determine the physicality as well as the possible size and distance of the UFO from the camera. This included visits to the site of the photograph.

When asked what they had done immediately after noticing the disc on the photograph (some 18 days later on October 26, 1981), Mrs. D.M. replied, "Well, we didn't know what to do. Eventually we showed it to our neighbours and Mr. and Mrs. M. Sr. (husband's parents)."

Mrs. D.M. phoned the Canadian Forces Base at Comox in mid-November 1981 concerning their possible interest in seeing the photograph. She ". . . just wanted to see if they were interested in it and if they knew anything about what the object could be."

An Air Force representative (allegedly) said they were not interested in viewing it, but did take her name and address. It was not until the summer of 1982 that the family travelled to Vancouver, B.C. bringing one 4" x 5" colour print with them.

They visited the Vancouver Planetarium and spoke with the Director, David Dodge, who called in David Powell who was interested in UFO phenomena. The couple were persuaded to lend the original negative to them to make enlarged copies.

The negatives were delivered to Mr. Powell in June 1982, and were returned to Mr. and Mrs. D.M. on January 28, 1983. These dates may be significant since they suggest that the photographer was willing to wait a long time before pursuing an explanation for the disc-like image on her photograph.

If this event had been a deliberate hoax, it is more likely that some overt action to capitalize on it might have been taken soon after the disc had been discovered, and not almost a year later. Of course this is not a conclusive argument to support this contention.

The author found the photographer and her husband to be middle-class, hard-working people. Their property was well kept. Nothing could be found which pointed to a deliberate hoax. Both displayed genuine puzzlement about the origin of the disc on the photograph. Mr. and Mrs. D.M. were not defensive nor did they ever attempt to cover up anything as far as could be determined.