Space Commander Travis Posted June 24, 2012 #26 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The guy thinks he's above the law. First he commits rape then he leaks secret documents and communications. When he cant riggle out of his offences he runs off to the Ecuador embassy to claim asylum. If I was PM he wouldnt make it to the airport alive. These are the charges of "rape" of which he's charged: There are four charges: that on 14 August 2010 he committed "unlawful coercion" when he held complainant 1 down with his body weight in a sexual manner; that he "sexually molested" complainant 1 when he had condom-less sex with her after she insisted that he use one; that he had condom-less sex with complainant 2 on the morning of 17 August while she was asleep; and that he "deliberately molested" complainant 1 on 18 August 2010 by pressing his erect penis against her body (i wonder if any of those words will be asterisked out.) And even if the secret documents he leaked were of any significant importance, it can hardly be called Treasonous since he isn't American. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted June 24, 2012 Author #27 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Mr. Right Wing The difference between you, AND THEN, and me is that while you two condone government crimes, I oppose them. You midgets would have me believe that there is some sort of virtue in government crime, and that any person exposing the crimes to the public is some sort of criminal. Whether your moral vacuum derives from our Judeo-Christian Heritage or not I can only speculate, but there is no question you support criminal actions by the government. Another illustration of just why we have the government we do, and why we deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted June 24, 2012 #28 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Britain as US lap dog... I'll be the first to put in $5 just to see someone pet that dog while they tell them that..... This was great. Britain is no lapdog. The reason it may seem like that is simply because the governments here and in the U.S. often have the same or overlapping interests, with the U.S. being the main powerhouse. If you look at the history there have been many times the both have went head to head, politically, when they disagree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 24, 2012 #29 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Mr. Right Wing The difference between you, AND THEN, and me is that while you two condone government crimes, I oppose them. You midgets would have me believe that there is some sort of virtue in government crime, and that any person exposing the crimes to the public is some sort of criminal. Whether your moral vacuum derives from our Judeo-Christian Heritage or not I can only speculate, but there is no question you support criminal actions by the government. Another illustration of just why we have the government we do, and why we deserve it. Don't be modest Babe, there are MANY more differences between us than that. I have the ability to dispassionately look at what the men did and call it crime whether it was for a noble reason or not. You seem to have some sort of dragon slaying fetish. Jules is less culpable than Manning IMO. The peroxide blogger just found a way to get his 15 minutes. While he took a cheap and disgusting route to it by enticing others to actually do his dirty work, he still did not actually steal secrets after agreeing specifically that he would not. So Jules will probably avoid jail and maybe even prosper while Manning will grow a lot older in a government cell somewhere. That sound like justice to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted June 24, 2012 Author #30 Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Do we have an incipient lynchmob? It's so weird how religion encourages cruelty in so many cases.... And the sad part is the moral vacuum that results. Edited June 24, 2012 by Babe Ruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opit Posted June 25, 2012 #31 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Britain as US lapdog Hm. US as Britain's lapdog. As for Assange - he was wanted for questioning until a substitution was made at the prosecutor's office. It's doubtful he would even be charged elsewhere given the particulars of the case. The prosecutor has an axe to grind. BTW It is common for underover operatives to have a criminal record to establish their credentials as victims of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted June 25, 2012 Author #32 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Britain as US lapdog Hm. US as Britain's lapdog. As for Assange - he was wanted for questioning until a substitution was made at the prosecutor's office. It's doubtful he would even be charged elsewhere given the particulars of the case. The prosecutor has an axe to grind. BTW It is common for underover operatives to have a criminal record to establish their credentials as victims of the system. Assange is wanted for questioning in Sweden. One would think that today such questioning might be conducted over an old-fashioned telephone, or Skype or some other method. In short, the Swedes are trying to please the US government because it wants him for putting so much of their dirty laundry out in public. It's just that simple. Government crimes were exposed in vivid detail, and the government wants its pound of flesh. What's sad is that so many 'citizens' approve of the government crimes, and approve of the effort to keep those crimes out of public view. Edited June 25, 2012 by Babe Ruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaraKitty Posted June 25, 2012 #33 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) What a degrading thing to say. 'lapdog' Britain colonized america, they should know how to stand on their own two feet by now. Edit** spelling Edited June 25, 2012 by ZaraKitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted June 25, 2012 Author #34 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Just a figure of speech Zara. Apologies if you were offended. How degrading is it to kill innocent people or to torture them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted June 26, 2012 #35 Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) The UK has had it's tongue firmly between the US's rear end for a long time now. The last person who didn't have their tongue there was Thatcher. She even carried on with the falklands telling the US where to stick their threats. The thing is, we are better off being allies with the US as we are a like as people. I know the US and UK both have their share of idoits but generally we are similar in a western thinking way. The people should be friends, but the goverments are all corrupt lying scum anyway. Care about themselves more than the people. The people fear their goverments. The goverment is supposed ot fear the people and they don't. This is what is wrong with todays goverments. Also it has a lot to do with how war etc is won. We had one hell of a Navy and Airforce because we are on a small island. We where well defended and had a relaly good offensive military as well because of it. But with Nukes and technology we have been pushed out of the big game really. We rely on the US too much to keep us safe now. Luckily they get us as a really good forward base into Europe so it's not completely 1 sided. Does any of the powers that be have a conscience..?....probably not.. Haha, so true. What a degrading thing to say. 'lapdog' Britain colonized america, they should know how to stand on their own two feet by now. Edit** spelling Well you have a point, but your point also is truthful. is it not degrading being Americas little ally now? We would be done for wihtout the US now. (If a big war happened where we where threatened) The British Goverment knows that. I suppose the fact is that the US puts themselves at the head table of the Un because thye ahve the biggest toys. Edited June 26, 2012 by Coffey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted June 27, 2012 Author #36 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Biggest toys, and smallest moral authority. Torturer to the world. Drone Assassins-in-Chief. That Britain is so tight with such murderers makes the Brits look bad. That they condone the crimes of the US government makes them complicit. Yes, I understand that it is men, and not angels, that populate the governments, but really, what happened to Nuremberg principles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted June 28, 2012 #37 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm still struggling with the idea of the UK extraditing Assange to Sweden is the UK doing America's dirty work. First of all, he's off to face trial fo rape. Secondly thr Swedish by law can't extradite someone to face the death penalty. Thirdly, Austrlian foreign ministers have been repeatedly told the US doesn't want Assange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted June 28, 2012 #38 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Seems the patience is running out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18629906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatFenris Posted June 28, 2012 #39 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm still struggling with the idea of the UK extraditing Assange to Sweden is the UK doing America's dirty work. First of all, he's off to face trial fo rape. Secondly thr Swedish by law can't extradite someone to face the death penalty. Thirdly, Austrlian foreign ministers have been repeatedly told the US doesn't want Assange. We've done it before though. Right wing, Left wing...One the US speaks, all our prime minister can say is "Please be gentle". Hell, we extradited two people who as far as anyone knew were innocent at the command of the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_and_Muhammad_al-Zery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted June 29, 2012 Author #40 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I'm still struggling with the idea of the UK extraditing Assange to Sweden is the UK doing America's dirty work. First of all, he's off to face trial fo rape. Secondly thr Swedish by law can't extradite someone to face the death penalty. Thirdly, Austrlian foreign ministers have been repeatedly told the US doesn't want Assange. Well no. There are no charges against him in Sweden, no indictment or its equivalent. The police merely want to question him about sexual relations with 2 women in which he is accused of failing to use a condom, which is apparently some sort of crime in Sweden. He is wanted only for questioning, and the Swedes would have us believe that such questions can be asked only in person. Nonsense, and the Brits roll right along with the odd story. Assange has exposed the crimes of the US government, and thereby angered that govt. Both Britain and Sweden are acting on behalf of the US government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted June 29, 2012 #41 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The police merely want to question him about sexual relations with 2 women in which he is accused of failing to use a condom, which is apparently some sort of crime in Sweden. Yeah he didn't rape anyone which the media like to make out he did. He supposedly never used a condom, which in Sweden is classed as "rape". But not the same rape we would say in the UK or US. So loads of people who just follow the media blindly thinks he is a rapist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted June 30, 2012 Author #42 Share Posted June 30, 2012 You're right about that, what the public thinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 3, 2012 #43 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The UK has had it's tongue firmly between the US's rear end for a long time now. The last person who didn't have their tongue there was Thatcher. She even carried on with the falklands telling the US where to stick their threats. The thing is, we are better off being allies with the US as we are a like as people. I know the US and UK both have their share of idoits but generally we are similar in a western thinking way. The people should be friends, but the goverments are all corrupt lying scum anyway. Care about themselves more than the people. The people fear their goverments. The goverment is supposed ot fear the people and they don't. This is what is wrong with todays goverments. Well diapers and politicians need to be changed often, and for the same reason..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 3, 2012 #44 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Well diapers and politicians need to be changed often, and for the same reason..... Oh wow that made me laugh hard. LOL Yeah it's just a shame every new PM wants to try and prove themselve to the US goverment. Like it's a popularity contest. it's like they don't care about the British people, just how much they cna prove to the US how good they are. It's so sickening to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSS Posted July 3, 2012 #45 Share Posted July 3, 2012 There's an argument to be had that says if you're a small person (country) and you foresee problems ahead, it's not a bad idea to allign yourself with the biggest manic man mountain you can find.......it becomes a matter of perspective then as to who is using who... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 3, 2012 #46 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Oh wow that made me laugh hard. LOL If nothing else, we can make each other laugh (keeps us from crying ) Yeah it's just a shame every new PM wants to try and prove themselve to the US goverment. Like it's a popularity contest. it's like they don't care about the British people, just how much they cna prove to the US how good they are. It's so sickening to watch. I wasn't aware of that. But then again, I don't get local UK news so I don't get to see any of the shmoozing going on. There's a channel on cable that aires the British Parliment debates that I watch from time to time. Most of the time it's someone in a high chair painting some poor chap, down on floor level, into a corner. I watch as the poor chap on the floor skillfully dodges, deflects, and spins a long winded yarn without ever answering the question posed.... just like the politicians here do! As far as I'm concerned Great Britain has only 2 things to prove to the US, and that's 1. notta 2. damthing. So that may be for some localized reason why they go on about it, but I can only speculate as to why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 3, 2012 #47 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Especially when the "lap" dog is a British Bulldog . cheers The words "draw back a nub" do come to mind. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted July 3, 2012 Author #48 Share Posted July 3, 2012 As far as Julian Assange goes, as an american citizen I can only plead with the Ecuadorian people and government to rescue him from my criminalizing, assassinating, rendering government. I hope they will protect a man who has done nothing but expose government crimes. In an ideal world, he would be receiving the highest award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted July 3, 2012 #49 Share Posted July 3, 2012 As far as Julian Assange goes, as an american citizen I can only plead with the Ecuadorian people and government to rescue him from my criminalizing, assassinating, rendering government. I hope they will protect a man who has done nothing but expose government crimes. In an ideal world, he would be receiving the highest award. I also hope the Ecuadorians give him sanctuary. The whole country is not much better than a prison on a human rights level. Maybe cotton top can get a tan while Manning turns pale in solitary - now there's justice huh? In an ideal world they'd share a cell with one toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted July 3, 2012 #50 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Biggest toys, and smallest moral authority. Torturer to the world. Drone Assassins-in-Chief. That Britain is so tight with such murderers makes the Brits look bad. That they condone the crimes of the US government makes them complicit. Yes, I understand that it is men, and not angels, that populate the governments, but really, what happened to Nuremberg principles? I personally think that after 9/11 the US should have dropped the bomb on Iraq and Afganistan. Whether it be drone assassinations, torture or 'losing their masculinity' (lol) at Abu Ghraib prison the lot of them are getting what they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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