Coffey Posted July 4, 2012 #51 Share Posted July 4, 2012 If nothing else, we can make each other laugh (keeps us from crying ) Haha, yes of course! I wasn't aware of that. But then again, I don't get local UK news so I don't get to see any of the shmoozing going on. There's a channel on cable that aires the British Parliment debates that I watch from time to time. Most of the time it's someone in a high chair painting some poor chap, down on floor level, into a corner. I watch as the poor chap on the floor skillfully dodges, deflects, and spins a long winded yarn without ever answering the question posed.... just like the politicians here do! As far as I'm concerned Great Britain has only 2 things to prove to the US, and that's 1. notta 2. damthing. So that may be for some localized reason why they go on about it, but I can only speculate as to why. Well one example which was recent; Cameron jumped at the chance to bomb libya and head the campaign. It was a relaly pathetic attempt to show the US what he was capable of and how much of a good boy he is. What made me laugh was the punch in the face from Obama when Obama supposedly said he preffered the French PM... LOL As far as Julian Assange goes, as an american citizen I can only plead with the Ecuadorian people and government to rescue him from my criminalizing, assassinating, rendering government. I hope they will protect a man who has done nothing but expose government crimes. In an ideal world, he would be receiving the highest award. Not a lot of people realise he saved a lot of lives in Africa from Tyranny as well. He hasn't done anything wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted July 4, 2012 Author #52 Share Posted July 4, 2012 AND THEN It appears you have a soul-mate in Mr. Right Wing! I wonder if his mean-spirited view is also a result of christian upbringing? One of the things determined by Philip Zimbardo in his Standford Prison Experiment was that humans can be divided into 2 groups--those who enjoy being prison guards, and those who (bizarrely) get into the prisoner role. It does appear that you and him gravitate to the first category of values. From whence? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 4, 2012 #53 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Well one example which was recent; Cameron jumped at the chance to bomb libya and head the campaign. It was a relaly pathetic attempt to show the US what he was capable of and how much of a good boy he is. What made me laugh was the punch in the face from Obama when Obama supposedly said he preffered the French PM... LOL I guess you have your reasons why think the UK's campaign against Libya was a "show" for the US. It just seemed to me at the time that France jumped on that bandwagon first. I think Obama said he prefers French fries with his hamburger. Might have gotten mixed up there. There is no ongoing attempt by the US to extradite Assange. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is not being targeted by the United States government, US ambassador Jeffrey Bleich says. MR Assange has sought political asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy in London in an attempt to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations . He fears removal to Sweden could lead to extradition to the US to face charges for WikiLeaks' release of secret diplomatic cables. But while visiting Mr Assange's home state of Queensland on Wednesday, Mr Bleich said the US has no plans to try to extradite him. "I'm always surprised by the discussion about Julian Assange here, because for one thing, there has not been an indictment issued against Julian Assange," he told AAP during Independence Day celebrations in Brisbane. Mr Bleich said investigations were centred around US soldier Bradley Manning, not Mr Assange, over the theft of classified information. Link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 4, 2012 #54 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I guess you have your reasons why think the UK's campaign against Libya was a "show" for the US. It just seemed to me at the time that France jumped on that bandwagon first. I think Obama said he prefers French fries with his hamburger. Might have gotten mixed up there. There is no ongoing attempt by the US to extradite Assange. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is not being targeted by the United States government, US ambassador Jeffrey Bleich says. MR Assange has sought political asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy in London in an attempt to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations . He fears removal to Sweden could lead to extradition to the US to face charges for WikiLeaks' release of secret diplomatic cables. But while visiting Mr Assange's home state of Queensland on Wednesday, Mr Bleich said the US has no plans to try to extradite him. "I'm always surprised by the discussion about Julian Assange here, because for one thing, there has not been an indictment issued against Julian Assange," he told AAP during Independence Day celebrations in Brisbane. Mr Bleich said investigations were centred around US soldier Bradley Manning, not Mr Assange, over the theft of classified information. Link Hmm intresting. So I wonder how much toruble he would be in with Sweden then? I can't see the US really letting that go, the goverment where calling him a terrorist and everything at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted July 4, 2012 Author #55 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Good grief, Feinstein wants to prosecute Assange, straight up. There's no question they hate his guts, he's made many of them out to be the liars they are. He is, rather, the UNgovernment influence for the public. Stardrive There is no ongoing attempt by the US to extradite Assange THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT, maybe is what you meant to say. Or perhaps, THAT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT. Somehow I feel I'm reading the same sort of sophistry advanced by Erik Holder when he claimed that due process does not mean judicial process? Ain't that white of him, to tell the judges he don't need them no more? I do agree with Obama's relations with the French. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastLazyGun Posted July 4, 2012 #56 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Why is it that the British government comes across as sycophant to the US government? From Downing Street Memo to the ongoing extradition of Julian Assange, it appears to many that the British government has no conscience. Those (mainly consisting of the Left) who don't want a suspected rapist to face trial are the ones with no consciences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastLazyGun Posted July 4, 2012 #57 Share Posted July 4, 2012 it was done so Maggie could ride in a Chieftan...! It was done because the Argies invaded the Falklands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 5, 2012 #58 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Stardrive There is no ongoing attempt by the US to extradite Assange THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT, maybe is what you meant to say. Or perhaps, THAT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT. Can't extradite someone without an indictment. That's a fact and anything beyond that belongs in the conspiracy forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 5, 2012 #59 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Just to comment again on this, he did NOT Rape anyone. He jsut supposedly did not use a condom while having sex with 2 different woman. (Who both gave consent to sex and both where OK for him to not use a condom) In Sweden they class not using a condom even when there is consent as rape... (unless it's to produce a baby, not 100% on how this works though) The Question is, why have 2 woman actually came forward abotu this when they gave consent? Now that is the real question. The one that is making Julian Assange question the the situation. Can you blame him? Edited July 5, 2012 by Coffey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted July 5, 2012 Author #60 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Can't extradite someone without an indictment. That's a fact and anything beyond that belongs in the conspiracy forum. If that statement is true, why are the Swedes trying to extradite him when he has not even been charged? Do you think that some things in governmental affairs happen "behind closed doors"? Why was the Downing Street Memo embarassing for both governments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 5, 2012 #61 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The Question is, why have 2 woman actually came forward abotu this when they gave consent? Now that is the real question. The one that is making Julian Assange question the the situation. Can you blame him? One accusation by "Miss A" is that Assange "sexually molested her" by ignoring her request for him to use a condom when having sex with her. Another relates to "Miss W," who says Assange had sex with her without a condom while she was asleep. Prosecutors say that amounts to the least severe of three categories of rape in Sweden, carrying a maximum of four years in jail. Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted July 5, 2012 Author #62 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Stardrive How do you rationalize the fact that a suspect can be questioned by telephone or Skype, yet the Swedes insist upon asking questions of Assange in person, in Sweden? If they were really curious about this case, why don't they send an investigator to London to question the man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 6, 2012 #63 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Babe Ruth I don't make a habit out of filling in the blanks with my imagination. Those are questions better posed to British and Swedish authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 6, 2012 #64 Share Posted July 6, 2012 One accusation by "Miss A" is that Assange "sexually molested her" by ignoring her request for him to use a condom when having sex with her. Another relates to "Miss W," who says Assange had sex with her without a condom while she was asleep. Prosecutors say that amounts to the least severe of three categories of rape in Sweden, carrying a maximum of four years in jail. Source Hmmm, first tiem I've heard htis and I've read loads on it. kinda weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 6, 2012 #65 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Those (mainly consisting of the Left) who don't want a suspected rapist to face trial are the ones with no consciences. Who is he suspected as being a rapist by? If you read what was mentioned earlier, not even those who are trying to pin some trumped up charges on him are trying to claim htat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 6, 2012 #66 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hmmm, first tiem I've heard htis and I've read loads on it. kinda weird. I had to search high and low to get that much. Yeah, wierd charges against him. What I'd like to know is how you have sex with someone while they are asleep? I'm a bit confused as to how that works...... maybe it's a Swedish thing.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 6, 2012 #67 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I had to search high and low to get that much. Yeah, wierd charges against him. What I'd like to know is how you have sex with someone while they are asleep? I'm a bit confused as to how that works...... maybe it's a Swedish thing.... Haha, I don't think it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted July 6, 2012 Author #68 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Babe Ruth I don't make a habit out of filling in the blanks with my imagination. Those are questions better posed to British and Swedish authorities. Nor do I. But I do have an uncanny ability to read between the lines, and frequently observe patterns of behavior. We know that what Assange has done has really angered the US government, because he revealed crimes committed by the US government and a bunch of other dirty laundry. After all, several very high officials within the US government have stated for the record that he should be prosecuted. Some have gone so far as to call for his execution. Don't need no trial, ya know, it's the American Way, c. 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 6, 2012 #69 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Some have gone so far as to call for his execution. Don't need no trial, ya know, it's the American Way, c. 2012. That is true, seen the videos of them openly saying it. They called him a terrorist and everything. (terrorist the most over used term nowadays) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted July 8, 2012 #70 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I had to search high and low to get that much. Yeah, wierd charges against him. What I'd like to know is how you have sex with someone while they are asleep? I'm a bit confused as to how that works...... maybe it's a Swedish thing.... I'd rather know how a person can have sex without waking up! And then say.. he had sex with me while i was asleep. This sounds like a set up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 8, 2012 #71 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I'd rather know how a person can have sex without waking up! And then say.. he had sex with me while i was asleep. This sounds like a set up. I agree on this, also the story has changed form the original one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted July 8, 2012 #72 Share Posted July 8, 2012 He should go hide in Australia. lol Sorry I've no sympathy. What did he expect? An invite to a Bilderburg fancy-dress party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted July 8, 2012 Author #73 Share Posted July 8, 2012 No sympathy for justice or the rule of law is rather the hallmark of political opinion on this planet, c. 2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted July 8, 2012 #74 Share Posted July 8, 2012 No sympathy for justice or the rule of law is rather the hallmark of political opinion on this planet, c. 2012 Hypocrisy, lies and greed are the hallmarks of our generation, in my honest opinion Babe Ruth. We are reaping what we have sown. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardrive Posted July 12, 2012 #75 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I'd rather know how a person can have sex without waking up! And then say.. he had sex with me while i was asleep. This sounds like a set up. I get surprised all the time, but I've never heard of "stealth style". Sounds like hogwash to me as well. But then again... what the heck did he expect? Smooth sailing? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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