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Palestine Is Still The Issue

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MichaelW
Most of your banter here doesn't warrant a response.

That's funny. I reply to your trash.

Your ability to find news articles about Freedom Flotilla is impressive but it's obvious you think that nothing is happening in Gaza every day and ever since.

Right. And you're going to prove otherwise with nothing but over inflated opinion?

Until violence against Israel erupts again, there is no coverage about Gaza.

Thats because they are normal functioning members of their societes like I am and get on with their lives. They don't let the Israelis bring them down.

For the definitions of all words, I use the dictionary and encyclopedia michaelw. You should use them too and not reject them as your authority.

I have a much better grasp of the English language than most. I can actually make my arguments make sense, and not throw around words because it makes me look big.

Unfortunately New Zealand's government was derelict over its handling of Freedom Flotilla.

http://www.niuenews1...-flotilla/3410/

Yeah, issuing a condemnation of the Israeli raid is totally being derelict.

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Right. And you're going to prove otherwise with nothing but over inflated opinion?

It's not my over inflated opinion that there is no media coverage on Palestine here, it's my observation. You're having a terrible time reading and comprehending what you're replying to. Even in your poorly mined Freedom Flotilla news articles of foreign media outlets (less than half were US media) there's a lack of coverage. "Gaza-bound" isn't coverage on Gaza, proving that even at the time of this tragedy, the blackout continued.

A "condemnation" of Israel's cowardly raid that put nine humanitarians to their death in cold blood? That has nothing to do with the dereliction of your do-nothing government or the link corresponding to it. You're not reading or understanding because you're bantering and making a fool of yourself.

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It's not my over inflated opinion that there is no media coverage on Palestine here, it's my observation.

All the links I posted proved otherwise. I specifically made sure links to American news sites because no matter what medium it is displayed, it is news coverage and therefore

You're having a terrible time reading and comprehending what you're replying to.

That's because nothing you post actually makes sense to people who have fully functioning brains. It's not my problem that what you post is gibberish that no one can understand.

Even in your poorly mined Freedom Flotilla news articles of foreign media outlets (less than half were US media) there's a lack of coverage.

That is because the normal everyday lives of Gazans are not actually that interesting. They get up, go to the mosque or church or work and continue with their everyday lives irrespective of what the worlds media are up to or what the Israelis think or what people like you think they should be doing. They are normal functioning members of their respective societies living as normal lives as they possibly can.

The world's media only focuses on what they think people should know and what people care about. Violence, disatsers etc. are what people care about. Not Mr Khaled who runs a small kebab shop in downtown Gaza. And when violence or something else noticable does happen in Gaza, the world's media flock there to cover it. And you wouldn't know about this because you never venture outside.

You're not reading or understanding because you're bantering and making a fool of yourself.

Look, you've made it painfully clear that the only fool around here is you. Everyone knows this. Everyone can see it. You never actually bother to look up anything, only posting what you think is fact but according to everyone else blantantly isn't, you never actually post a response that isn't full of anything else other than crappy insults and terrible opinions and you claim all sorts of things and then don't bother to back them up.

So, it is obvious to everyone here that the idiot is you. How about you go back to sucking your thumb like the child you are and leave the debate to the people that actually know what they're talking about.

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Perhaps you should do that. It would stop you taking everything everyone posts out of context and then going on pointless rants about racism.

When Zionist apologists like you stop blathering about ethnic groups, anti-Zionists like me will start to think that bigotry has nothing to do with it. I don't see ethnic groups. I see oppressed people and I don't care what their ethnicity is, or what someone else who shares their ethnicity once said or once did.

What you are witnessing are people reaping the harvest of their own hatred and inability to make peace. The war that will soon envelop the region will redraw borders and cause populations to be moved within the territory. The hatred won't end but Israel's security problems will be solved for awhile. These are the expectations of most who believe in the fulfillment of Psalm 83 in the near future.

Yet Israel has been cited for breaking international humanitarian laws, such as illegal occupation and land seizures, illegal arrest and torture, home demolitions and expulsions, creating environmental health risks, war crimes and atrocities against unarmed civilians including assassinations of foreign journalists. Reaping what they sow is a more correct addage.

What kind of Israel would Jesus encounter today, Or rather what kind of Jesus would Israel encounter today?

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Three times the Jews have been driven out of the Holy Land. 3 times. The first time was for over 400 years into the House of Bondage (after which they failed to meet God's conditions). The second time was for 70 years into the Babylonian captivity (once they returned it was usually under foreign rule). The last time for nearly 2000 years (and brought back by the Zionist with alot of Western support).

Gen. 12:3? But wasnt Abraham's birthplace in Ur (Mesopotamia/Iraq)? So really Abraham was not a native but an immigrant when this was spoken to him.

Do you believe that "Palestinian" Arabs should possess ALL the land Israel currently inhabits?

Do you believe that the Jews of Israel have a right to live in peace on any portion of the land they currently possess?

Is it okay with you if the Jews are forcibly removed, with bloodshed, from their homes of the past 65 years?

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Refugees

Palestinian refugees and internally displaced Palestinians (IDPs) represent the largest and longest-standing case of forced displacement in the world today. On the 60th anniversary of the Nakba (or ‘Catastrophe’), the destruction of Palestine and the massive displacement of Palestinians by Israel in 1948, two out of every ?ve refugees in the world are Palestinian. At the beginning of 2007, there were approximately seven million Palestinian refugees and 450,000 internally displaced persons (IDPs), representing 70% of the entire Palestinian population worldwide (9.8 million).

Palestinian refugees include those who became refugees following the ?rst Arab-Israeli war in 1948 and the second Arab-Israeli war in 1967, as well as those who are neither 1948 nor 1967 refugees, but outside the area of former Palestine and unable or unwilling to return owing to a well-founded fear of persecution.

The largest group of Palestinian refugees is made up of those who were displaced or expelled from their places of origin as a result of the Nakba. IDPs include Palestinians who were displaced within Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT).

Internal displacement continues unabated in the OPT today. Thousands have been forcibly displaced in the Jordan Valley as a result of closure, home demolition and eviction orders, and the threat of displacement hangs over those who remain. Similar patterns of forced displacement are found in Israel, where urban development plans for the exclusive bene?t of Jewish communities are displacing indigenous Palestinian communities in the Naqab (Negev) and Galilee.

Palestinian refugees in host countries are also vulnerable to forced displacement. For instance, as a result of the US-led aggression and occupation of Iraq since 2003, persecution has forced over half of the approximately 34,000 Palestinian refugees residing in Iraq to leave the country. Over 31,000 people were displaced from Nahr al-Bared camp in Lebanon in 2007 and most have not returned.

Six decades after their initial forced displacement from their homeland, Palestinian refugees and IDPs still lack access to voluntary durable solutions and reparations (which include return, restitution, compensation) based on international law, UN resolutions and best practice.

http://palestinejn.org/en/component/content/section/9'>http://palestinejn.org/en/component/content/section/9

Here is a chock full informative sites:

Adalah: The Legal Center For Arab Minority Right In Israel http://www.adalah.org/eng/index.php+

Addameer: Prisoner Support And Human Rights Association http://www.addameer.org/

ADVA Center: Information on Equality And Social Justice In Israel http://www.adva.org/default.asp?pageid=5

Al-Awda: The Palestinian Right To Return Coalition http://www.al-awda.org/

Al-Haq: Defending Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory http://www.alhaq.org/

Al Mezan Center For Human Rights http://www.mezan.org/en/

Al Nakba website of the Khalil Sakakini Center http://www.alnakba.org/

Al-Shabaka: The Palestinian Policy Network http://al-shabaka.org/

American Association For Palestinian Equal Rights http://www.aaper.org/site/c.quIXL8MPJpE/b.3794785/

Americans For Middle East Understanding http://www.ameu.org/

American Near East Refugee Aid http://www.anera.org/

The American Task Force On Palestine http://www.americantaskforce.org/

Amnesty International http://www.amnesty.org/

The Arab Association For Human Rights http://www.arabhra.org/HRA/Pages/Index.aspx?Language=2

Association For Civil Rights in Israel http://www.acri.org.il/en/

Association Of Forty: The Association For The Recognition Of Unrecognized Arab Villages http://www.assoc40.org/en/

B'Tselem http://www.btselem.org/

Badil: Resource Center For Palestinian Residency And Refugee Rights http://www.badil.org/

BDS Movement (The global movement for a campaign of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel until it complies with international law and Palestinian rights was initiated by Palestinian civil society in 2005) http://www.bdsmovement.net/

Bimkom: Planners For Planning Rights http://eng.bimkom.org/

Birzeit University: Right To Education http://right2edu.birzeit.edu/

Breaking The Silence: Israeli Soldiers Talk About The Occupied Territories http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

The Council For The National Interest http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/

Defense For Children International - Palestine Section http://www.dci-palestine.org/

Deir Yassin Remembered http://www.deiryassin.org/

The Electronic Intifada http://electronicintifada.net/

End Gaza Siege http://www.end-gaza-siege.ps/

Fafo: The Refugee Working Group http://www.fafo.no/IsesWeb/Engelsk/Mainpage.htm

FIDH - Worldwide Human Rights Movement http://www.fidh.org/-english-

Foundation For Middle East Peace http://fmep.org/

Gaza Community Mental Health Programme http://www.gcmhp.net/en/

Gisha: Legal Center For Freedom Of Movement http://www.gisha.org/

Hamoked: Center For The Defense Of the Individual http://www.hamoked.org/home.aspx

Health, Development, Information and Policy Institute (HDIP) http://www.hdip.org/

Human Rights And Democracy Media Center http://www.shams-pal.org/pages/english/indexEng.aspx

Human Rights Watch http://www.hrw.org/

Hussam Khader: Palestinian Political Prisoner of Israel http://www.hussamkhader.org/english/Default.htm

If Americans Knew http://www.ifamericansknew.com/

Institute For Middle East Understanding http://imeu.net/

Institute For Palestine Studies http://www.palestine-studies.org/index.aspx

International Checkpoint Watch http://www.canadazone.com/icw/

International Crisis Group: Israel/Palestine http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/middle-east-north-africa/israel-palestine.aspx

International Rehabilitation Council For Torture Victims http://www.irct.org/

International Solidarity Movement http://palsolidarity.org/

Israel Palestine Center for Research and Information http://www.ipcri.org/IPCRI/Home.html

Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions http://www.icahd.org/

Israeli Occupation Archive http://www.israeli-occupation.org/

Jerusalem Center Of Social And Economic Rights http://www.jcser.org/

Jerusalemites http://www.jerusalemites.org/

Medical Aid For Palestinians UK http://www.map-uk.org/

Meezaan Association For Human Rights http://www.meezaan.org/3/

MIFTAH: The Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy http://www.miftah.org/

Mossawa Centre: The Advocacy Center For Arab Citizens In Israel http://www.mossawacenter.org/

Oxfam International: Crisis In Gaza http://www.oxfam.org/en/emergencies/gaza

Palestine Information With Provenance http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/home.php

Palestine Justice Network http://palestinejn.org/

Palestine Monitor http://www.palestinemonitor.org/

Palestine Red Crescent Society http://www.palestinercs.org/en/

Palestine Remembered http://www.palestineremembered.com/

Palestine Solidarity Campaign http://www.palestinecampaign.org/index2b.asp

Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs http://www.passia.org/

Palestinian Central Burea Of Statistics http://www.pcbs.gov.ps/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabID=1〈=en

Palestinian Center For Human Rights http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/

Palestinian Center For Policy And Survey Research http://www.pcpsr.org/

Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group http://www.phrmg.org/

Palestinian Medical Relief Society http://www.pmrs.ps/

Palestinian News Network http://english.pnn.ps/

Palestinian Refugee Research Net http://prrn.mcgill.ca/

The Palestinian Return Centre http://www.prc.org.uk/newsite/en

Peace Now http://peacenow.org.il/eng/

Peace Palestine http://peacepalestine.wordpress.com/

Physicians For Human Rights - Israel http://www.phr.org.il/default.asp?PageID=4

Public Committee Against Torture In Israel http://www.stoptorture.org.il/en

Ramallah Center For Human Rights Studies http://www.rchrs.org/

Research Guide To the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict http://www.robincmiller.com/melinkfr.htm

Right To Enter http://www.righttoenter.ps/

Save The Children: Middle East and North Africa http://mena.savethechildren.se/mena

Sikkuy: The Association For The Advancement Of Civil Equality In Israel http://www.sikkuy.org.il/english/home.html

Stop The Wall http://www.stopthewall.org/

Treatment And Rehabilitation For Victims Of Torture http://www.trc-pal.org/en/

Unicef: Occupied Palestinian Territory http://www.unicef.org/oPt/

Union of Palestinian Agricultural Relief Committees http://www.eurosur.org/PARC/eng/index.html

UN Office For The Coordination Humanitarian Affairs Occupied Palestine Territories http://www.ochaopt.org/

UN Relief And Work Agency For Palestinian Refugees http://www.unrwa.org/

Wadi Hilweh Information Center - Silwan http://silwanic.net/

World Organization Against Torture http://www.omct.org/

Yesh Din: Volunteers For Human Rights http://www.yesh-din.org/

Zochrot (founded in early 2002 and its main goal is to bring knowledge of the Palestinian Nakba to Jewish-Israeli people) http://www.zochrot.org/en

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Yet Israel has been cited for breaking international humanitarian laws, such as illegal occupation and land seizures, illegal arrest and torture, home demolitions and expulsions, creating environmental health risks, war crimes and atrocities against unarmed civilians including assassinations of foreign journalists. Reaping what they sow is a more correct addage.

What kind of Israel would Jesus encounter today, Or rather what kind of Jesus would Israel encounter today?

The Bible is quite clear about that one. This time He will come in judgment over ALL who rejected Him. Jew and Gentile alike. And are the "Palestinians", in your view free from any blame in this ongoing conflict? I have seen the evidences those like you provide. They are always one sided and always they ignore the other side of the coin. They are a means of saying obliquely that Israel has never possessed nor had any right to posses the land on which they live. You call them usurpers, thieves and murderers but you are not anti semitic, oh no...just anti Zionist. A coward who will not answer truthfully the ambition of your heart.

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The Bible is quite clear about that one. This time He will come in judgment over ALL who rejected Him. Jew and Gentile alike. And are the "Palestinians", in your view free from any blame in this ongoing conflict? I have seen the evidences those like you provide. They are always one sided and always they ignore the other side of the coin. They are a means of saying obliquely that Israel has never possessed nor had any right to posses the land on which they live. You call them usurpers, thieves and murderers but you are not anti semitic, oh no...just anti Zionist. A coward who will not answer truthfully the ambition of your heart.

Israel is guilty of multiple war crimes and crimes against humanity. What is your opinion on this? And the Palestinians suffer every day under totalitarian government? What are your thoughts on the Palestinians? As human beings divested of their human rights, possessions, and lands?

Would you give two cents about my stance, IF this didnt involve Israel which you identify with their Biblical counterparts?

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Hang on, when did France attack New Zealand?

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Israel is guilty of multiple war crimes and crimes against humanity. What is your opinion on this? And the Palestinians suffer every day under totalitarian government? What are your thoughts on the Palestinians? As human beings divested of their human rights, possessions, and lands?

Would you give two cents about my stance, IF this didnt involve Israel which you identify with their Biblical counterparts?

In your world there can only be justice if Israel gives up, stops defending itself from it's SWORN ENEMIES and gives up all right to any land in the Levant. Yet you will not admit to such. Hence I name you coward and liar. You cry and rail at the plight of these Arabs yet have no mercy whatever for their victims in the conflict. You act as though they are the first human beings EVER to lose home, land, possessions or even life to unjustly started wars of aggression. Grow up, they are lucky they were not exterminated just as they TRIED to exterminate the Jews who were given the land by UN decree.

As to my view of the "Palestinians" I have made it clear on multiple occasions here. They are Arabs from Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and they lost their land at the end of WWII by UN decree. They could have been accepted back into their own countries had they simply been willing to move to a new place but their "beloved" brethren who speak so highly of them now and of their "struggle" against the Jewish "entity" would not give them a scrap of land to live on. Will not to this day give them even the right to work or become citizens in their former countries. "Palestinians" speak Arabic, carry on Arab cultural practices, claim ARABIC history. This entire issue is about Arab hatred toward Jew and they WILL lose in the end. It is foretold. People like yourself who constantly skew the argument and portray the Jews of Israel as the aggressors will also pay a price because you are complicit in a lie that will eventually cost MILLIONS of lives.

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In your world there can only be justice if Israel gives up, stops defending itself from it's SWORN ENEMIES and gives up all right to any land in the Levant. Yet you will not admit to such. Hence I name you coward and liar. You cry and rail at the plight of these Arabs yet have no mercy whatever for their victims in the conflict. You act as though they are the first human beings EVER to lose home, land, possessions or even life to unjustly started wars of aggression. Grow up, they are lucky they were not exterminated just as they TRIED to exterminate the Jews who were given the land by UN decree.

As to my view of the "Palestinians" I have made it clear on multiple occasions here. They are Arabs from Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and they lost their land at the end of WWII by UN decree. They could have been accepted back into their own countries had they simply been willing to move to a new place but their "beloved" brethren who speak so highly of them now and of their "struggle" against the Jewish "entity" would not give them a scrap of land to live on. Will not to this day give them even the right to work or become citizens in their former countries. "Palestinians" speak Arabic, carry on Arab cultural practices, claim ARABIC history. This entire issue is about Arab hatred toward Jew and they WILL lose in the end. It is foretold. People like yourself who constantly skew the argument and portray the Jews of Israel as the aggressors will also pay a price because you are complicit in a lie that will eventually cost MILLIONS of lives.

You are reduced to namecalling and make lurid presumptions.

My stance, is Palestine deserves a nation of their own rather than having their human rights stepped all over and being dispossessed of homes, expulsed from the land and intolerant movement restrictions.

Furthermore, Palestine has never had a military and still doesnt to this day, they have no army, they have no air force, they have no marines, they have no navy, as it was in 1948 as it is today, so whom were the Jews fighting with other than Palestinian civilians resisting Israeli aggression and landgrabbing and war atrocities.

It was the Arab countries that stepped up to fight Israel because of Al Nakba otherwise the Palestinians didnt have a fighting chance without a military force. http://alnakba.org/

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You are reduced to namecalling and make lurid presumptions.

My stance, is Palestine deserves a nation of their own rather than having their human rights stepped all over and being dispossessed of homes, expulsed from the land and intolerant movement restrictions.

Furthermore, Palestine has never had a military and still doesnt to this day, they have no army, they have no air force, they have no marines, they have no navy, as it was in 1948 as it is today, so whom were the Jews fighting with other than Palestinian civilians resisting Israeli aggression and landgrabbing and war atrocities.

It was the Arab countries that stepped up to fight Israel because of Al Nakba otherwise the Palestinians didnt have a fighting chance without a military force. http://alnakba.org/

Do you at least have the HONESTY to admit what will happen if the State of Israel retreated to the '47 borders? Or is ANY amount of land too much? Why can't you bring yourself to answer such a simple question?

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Do you at least have the HONESTY to admit what will happen if the State of Israel retreated to the '47 borders? Or is ANY amount of land too much? Why can't you bring yourself to answer such a simple question?

Yes, I want Israel to observe the Partition Plan and leave the Palestinians alone.

I want Palestine and Israel to be two separate states.

90% of Palestinian land is under occupation AND being resettled. Heck, under the Partition Plan they were given 45% of the land, NEVERMIND, that they possessed 93% of the land atm of its writing. That is ridiculous and Israel is constantly defying international laws.

Where has Israel brought glory to God in any of this?

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Furthermore, and then, there is a lesson in history written by the prophets between the books of Isaiah all the way through to Malachi. Read every chapter carefully and do not overlook any passage.

For example, Isaiah chapter 1, hits its stride right off, particularly with passages 4, 13, 15-17, 21, 23, 26-28. Maybe I should reread through these books again and mark every passage and list every passage that has the same or similar message.

No one owns that land and God only gave it under conditions of a covenant.

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The Applied Research Institue Jerusalem http://www.arij.org/index.php

Another great site ^^^^^ and here are some excellent links:

Israeli Settlement Outposts In The West Bank http://proxy.arij.org/outposts/

Monitoring Israeli Colonization Activities http://www.poica.org/

Israeli Military Order In The Occupied Palestinian Territory http://orders.arij.org/

40 Years Of Israeli Occupation 1967-2007 http://www.arij.org/atlas40/

Land Research Center http://www.lrcj.org/Eng/site.php

Palestine in a century

Since the beginning of this century, the Palestinians have been fighting for their land, independence, and liberty. In 1917, Palestine was governed by the British. It was in that year that the "Balfour Declaration" was drafted as a result of continuing Zionist pressure supporting a Jewish state in the area. Over thirty years later, in 1948, Israel was finally declared a state. The State of Israel was founded on approximately four-fifths of Palestine, taking more land than the United Nations' 1947 Partition Plan had proposed.

During and after the 1948 War, a transfer policy was carried out and four out of every five Palestinians in the area inside Israel became refugees. Approximately 714,000 of the 800,000 Palestinians in this area lost their land, homes, and property. At least 418 villages were depopulated and demolished (PASSIA, 1997).

One major consequence of the 1948 War was that a whole segment of the rural highland of central Palestine (which became known as the West Bank) became isolated from its cultivable land, coastal markets, and metropolitan centers as the State of Israel was founded on the fertile coastal plains. The population became landlocked. Those areas of Palestine that were not incorporated into the State of Israel were incorporated into the neighboring countries. Jordan took over control of the West Bank and Egypt administered the Gaza Strip.

Beginning on June 5, 1967, the Six Days War allowed the Israeli army to occupy the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), the Gaza Strip, the Sinai, and the Golan Heights. A new wave of more than 350,000 Palestinian refugees were forced to leave the area, and many of the Palestinian villages close to Jerusalem were destroyed.

In 1967, Israel expanded the borders of East Jerusalem from 6.5 to over 70 km² to include vacant lands from many West Bank villages, while excluding populated areas. Later, in 1980, Israel formally annexed the extended East Jerusalem as part of Israel, and placed the Palestinian part of the city, including the Old City, under the legal jurisdiction of Israel and the Israeli Municipality of Jerusalem.

There are now more than 250 Israeli colonies and sites built in the West Bank, including Palestinian East Jerusalem. Despite international pressure against the Israeli colonizing campaigns, which are in direct violation of international laws, Israel is continuing with its colony expansion policy.....

http://www.poica.org/pal-in-a-century/pal-in-century.php

]The Jewish National Fund: How the Land Was ‘Redeemed’[/b] The JNF’s historical concept of exclusively Jewish land is wholly anachronistic.

by Dan Leon

The Jewish National Fund was founded more than a century ago by the fifth Zionist Congress at Basle in 1901 for the purpose of land purchase and development in Palestine. The JNF (Hebrew: Keren Kayemeth Leyisrael, KKL) was more than a charity for it saw itself as ’the custodian of the land for the Jewish people’, according to the biblical injunction that ’the land shall not be sold in perpetuity’ (Leviticus 25:23). It was to become the most prominent Zionist symbol for Jews everywhere before the establishment of the State of Israel. Hundreds of thousands of collection boxes would be placed in Europe, the US and elsewhere – altogether forty countries - where ’the kopecks, pennies and centimes went into the little blue box.’ After 1948, its role changed but its importance was not diminished.

A popular mission

For many Jews, the idea of ‘redeeming the land’ under public ownership, rather than relying on the egotism of private property, appeared as a liberal and universal ideal.

Above all, the JNF’s work was seen as yielding highly beneficial practical results all over the map of Israel. In the economic field, its adherents viewed it as facilitating the development of modern agriculture and of efficient farming units. The kibbutz and the moshav (communal and cooperative settlements), which could only be built on national land, appeared as exciting new social forms.

It was apparent for all to see that JNF afforestation had beautified and enriched the Israeli landscape over the length and breadth of the country. The JNF states that at the end of the 20th Century, Israel was the only country in the word which had more trees than there were at the start of the century. The JNF has also invested major efforts in education and in publicity in order to foster an attractive and constructive image of the benefits it brings to the state and to ordinary citizens, be they from Left or Right, secular or religious. There may be criticism here and there but the recognition of the JNF as an organization carrying out an important mission was, and remains, widespread in Israeli public opinion.

In effect, hardly any other Jewish organization could compete with the special appeal of the JNF, which was first incorporated in England in 1907, controlled by the World Zionist Organization. It made its first purchase of land in Palestine in 1905 in the areas of Tiberias, Ramle and Lydda. Since its foundation, it has purchased 2.6 million dunams (one dunam is a quarter of an acre) of land all over the country for 1,000 settlements (including the kibbutzim and moshavim), planted 240 million trees and built 150 dams and water reservoirs and 400 parks.

The JNF is also among the important ’green’ organizations in the country and were it not for JNF forests, and other projects, the countryside would look quite different. Nowadays the JNF claims that annual donations amount to US $25 million, 40% coming from the US. In 2003 even the small Jewish community of Australia still collected over a million dollars through the blue JNF boxes. However, most of the JNF’s income now comes through more sophisticated methods like revenue from lands it owns, legacies etc. The JNF’s annual budget is about US $150 million, illustrating the vast scope of current JNF activities in all areas of work connected with land and development. The JNF employed some 3,000 people in 1998, but the number has been reduced by about a half due to budgetary problems.

Another side of the coin

Despite this record of well publicized achievements, accompanied by propaganda campaigns conducted abroad and in Israel, there has been no lack of unfavorable evaluations of the JNF’s record. These negative viewpoints deserve equal attention. Let us take a brief look at some of these items of criticism. First, ’redeeming’ the land before the establishment of the State of Israel was often at the expense of Arab fellahin. The British Hope Simpson report in 1930 said that ’the Arabs gradually were being driven off the soil by Jewish land purchases and by the JNF not allowing Arab employment on Jewish tracts.’ There are, however, widely differing estimates as to how many fellahin were evicted.

Second, after the 1948 war, it was the holdings of Arab refugees or of ’present absentees’ (and not land purchases from the little blue boxes) that accounted for most of the JNF’s land. They were not ’redeemed’ but conquered. This is quite contrary to the image that JNF holdings were bought by mutual agreement from the former owners of the land at fair prices. It is also contrary to international law. Land acquisition and settlement by an occupying power contravene The Hague Regulations of 1907 and the 1949 Geneva Convention. Incidentally, in Israel itself the JNF ’often buys land for prices well above the market value in order to prevent their being sold to Arabs who may have been negotiating to buy them.

Third, the JNF undertook projects with dubious moral overtones, like planting Canada Park in the Jerusalem Corridor on the still visible ruins of two Arab villages destroyed in the 1967 war. Canadian Jews financed the project with donations of fifteen million dollars. Fourth, as with many large organizations in Israel the efficiency of the JNF administration in Jerusalem has been questioned in the Israeli press. It is asked why two chairmen are necessary, except in order to satisfy the ambitions of the two main Zionist parties.

Last but not least, the JNF claims that it does not operate over the ‘green line’ (the 1967 border) but the JNF subsidiary Himnuta, as an instrument for the implementation of JNF policies, makes no such claim. Himnuta was established by the JNF in 1938 and registered in Ramallah in 1971. Its original function in the 1930s was mainly to circumvent legal restrictions on land dealings so that there is a degree of continuity in its current endeavors. As a private rather than a public company it enjoys the advantage that its activities are not properly supervised. Hence it can avoid too much public exposure. When the public eye is turned upon Himnuta, it appears, for example, under the headline ’Ring suspected of trading in stolen Palestinian land’ in Haaretz on 28.2.05. We read that Haim Cohen the former director of Himnuta, and four others, were suspected of ’purchasing stolen Palestinian lands in exchange for bribes… police suspect that the ring was responsible for at least five deals in which West Bank lands were stolen from their Palestinian owners and sold to Himnuta for a total of more than NIS 20 million. Nineteen lawyers were said to be involved in the fraud. The stolen lands are located near Hebron, Gush Etzion, Jericho, Ma’aleh Adumim and Givat Ze’ev.’ All these areas are, of course, in the occupied West Bank, or in formerly Palestinian-owned Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem, settled since 1967. Apart from the criminal aspects, the question is – why is the director of Himnuta, which is a JNF subsidiary, interested in purchasing land in the territories?

Other examples: It is also known that in 1972 the JNF paid half the cost of a highway through the West Bank linking Jerusalem with the upper Jordan valley. JNF Director Shimon Ben Shemesh said on Israel Radio on 23.9.97 that during the past year the JNF had purchased lands in the territories for the sum of over US $66 million, including lands in the Nebi Samuel area, huge tracts in the area between Ramallah and Latrun. Another report spoke of JNF land deals in the northern part of the Jordan valley, southeast of Nablus, near Kiryat Arba, south of Ramallah, east of Kafr Kasim, and in Gush Etzion.

The JNF itself sometimes inadvertently lets the cat out of the bag in connection with the occupied territories. For instance in a reference in the official 2003 JNF website we read that the 1967 Six Day War ’started a fresh page in the history of Israel and the JNF was enlisted to develop new areas for settlement.’ In addition to areas within the green line, one of the areas developed for settlement was none other than Rafah (in the Gaza Strip, then occupied by Israel). In general, since, as we have noted, such activities in the territories are not publicized and do not appear in JNF reports, the random examples quoted here, which somehow manage to escape the secrecy, may well be only the tip of the iceberg. At any rate, all this is summed up in the statement by Amiram Barkat in Haaretz of 28.2.05 that ’Himnuta has made extensive purchases in the territories, where the JNF does not operate (my italics – DL).....

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Do you believe that the Arabs would make peace if Israel gave up the amount of land you suggest?

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Furthermore, and then, there is a lesson in history written by the prophets between the books of Isaiah all the way through to Malachi. Read every chapter carefully and do not overlook any passage.

For example, Isaiah chapter 1, hits its stride right off, particularly with passages 4, 13, 15-17, 21, 23, 26-28. Maybe I should reread through these books again and mark every passage and list every passage that has the same or similar message.

No one owns that land and God only gave it under conditions of a covenant.

Aye....and it was an EVERLASTING covenant. Immutable. The truth is you've convinced yourself that the Jews have no right to the land even though you will not show the courage of conviction and admit it. Oh my how disappointed you and those like you are going to continue to be as time moves on and your desires move ever farther from fruition.

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All the links I posted proved otherwise. I specifically made sure links to American news sites because no matter what medium it is displayed, it is news coverage and therefore

That's because nothing you post actually makes sense to people who have fully functioning brains. It's not my problem that what you post is gibberish that no one can understand.

That is because the normal everyday lives of Gazans are not actually that interesting. They get up, go to the mosque or church or work and continue with their everyday lives irrespective of what the worlds media are up to or what the Israelis think or what people like you think they should be doing. They are normal functioning members of their respective societies living as normal lives as they possibly can.

The world's media only focuses on what they think people should know and what people care about. Violence, disatsers etc. are what people care about. Not Mr Khaled who runs a small kebab shop in downtown Gaza. And when violence or something else noticable does happen in Gaza, the world's media flock there to cover it. And you wouldn't know about this because you never venture outside.

Look, you've made it painfully clear that the only fool around here is you. Everyone knows this. Everyone can see it. You never actually bother to look up anything, only posting what you think is fact but according to everyone else blantantly isn't, you never actually post a response that isn't full of anything else other than crappy insults and terrible opinions and you claim all sorts of things and then don't bother to back them up.

So, it is obvious to everyone here that the idiot is you. How about you go back to sucking your thumb like the child you are and leave the debate to the people that actually know what they're talking about.

The links you provided only "proved" that you don't even know what I'm talking about. I was talking about US media and you post non-US media. We're talking about coverage on Gaza and you post information about Israel that involves a "Gaza-bound" convoy. Is it an IQ deficiency?

If "everyone" thinks I'm a fool, remember to bring them with you next time. So I'm right that there's no coverage now. I accept your surrender to that. But it's because the lives of Gazans aren't interesting? I'm sure everyone agrees with you about that.

Every statement I've posted here stands as written. If anyone has any questions about anything I write on the subject of Israel/Palestine they're now officially invited to ask me immediately and they will always be answered. You've been given an enormous amount of information on this very thread and you utterly ignore it all because ignorance is more useful to you than learning anything.

I will assert myself on your surrender again and repeat, there is no coverage on Gaza in the US. We don't care about the welfare of Gazans in this country. The only thing we care about is when the safety or security of Israel is threatened. You have severe mental problems when can't even tolerate people telling you this without running your foul mouth and it's sad.

Let's talk about the statements made by New Zealand activists for Gaza and please send me a copy of the condemnation from the New Zealand government so we can study it carefully and find out what you really think about it since you clumsily brought it up. Let's make some coverage on Gaza ourselves here instead of just spit insults and banter like children and contribute to the blackout.

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I care about oppression, therefore I care about Gaza and the West Bank. Gaza and the West Bank are oppressed perpetually. Therefore there is no such thing as "the Palestinians started it". Israel starts it every minute of the day. For Palestinians, there is only retribution.

Everyone who believes in universal civil liberties, universal human rights, and universal self determination agrees with me. The inhuman leftovers of humanity who don't, agree with the Zionists. Once we separate the men from the boys, the only thing of substance left to debate is how Palestinians best defend themselves from Israeli cancer.

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Yam I'd just like to go on record as saying that even though we are on opposite sides in this issue and I'm sure we shall remain so, I have not questioned your intellect or soundness of mind. I appreciate the info that you post and actually do read it. I simply disagree on much of the conclusions as a matter of my own conscience. Our debates may get p***y from time to time but I try to refrain from being hateful. I would not continue in debate with you if I did not respect you. Having said all that.....I'll leave you with a thought for the 4th of July...

AM YISRAEL CHAI !!!!! :w00t::tu:

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Yam I'd just like to go on record as saying that even though we are on opposite sides in this issue and I'm sure we shall remain so, I have not questioned your intellect or soundness of mind. I appreciate the info that you post and actually do read it. I simply disagree on much of the conclusions as a matter of my own conscience. Our debates may get p***y from time to time but I try to refrain from being hateful. I would not continue in debate with you if I did not respect you. Having said all that.....I'll leave you with a thought for the 4th of July...

AM YISRAEL CHAI !!!!! :w00t::tu:

Yam I'd just like to go on record as saying that even though we are on opposite sides in this issue and I'm sure we shall remain so, I have not questioned your intellect or soundness of mind. I appreciate the info that you post and actually do read it. I simply disagree on much of the conclusions as a matter of my own conscience. Our debates may get p***y from time to time but I try to refrain from being hateful. I would not continue in debate with you if I did not respect you. Having said all that.....I'll leave you with a thought for the 4th of July...

AM YISRAEL CHAI !!!!! :w00t::tu:

Thanks brother I hope you have a good one. Crack a bottle of Lite beer open for me. ;)

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The links you provided only "proved" that you don't even know what I'm talking about.

No, your incessant need to post complete and utter gibberish in every single post of yours is the reason why I can't understand it. If you actually posted something that human beings that speak English can understand, we would at least be on step closer to operating on the same intellectual wavelength.

I was talking about US media and you post non-US media.

Go back and take a look. You will find the New York Times and CBS in those links. Unless of course you think that CBS and the New York Times aren't American.

We're talking about coverage on Gaza and you post information about Israel that involves a "Gaza-bound" convoy.

It is about Gaza is it not, seeing as the flotilla raid was about breaking the seige?

Is it an IQ deficiency?

No, it's your complete and utter lack of what normal human beings would call a functioning brain.

If "everyone" thinks I'm a fool, remember to bring them with you next time.

Do I control other members? No I don't.

So I'm right that there's no coverage now.

Nope. Still haven't proven anything yet other than say "I haven't seen any". And that's because you refuse to leave your mother's basement.

But it's because the lives of Gazans aren't interesting? I'm sure everyone agrees with you about that.

I'm sure they would. What the average Gazan gets up to in their daily lives is irrelevant to how I live my normal day to day life.

You utterly ignore it all because ignorance is more useful to you than learning anything.

Yam, if there was any information posted, I would have accepted it as such. A link to four videos of someone's over inflated opinion don't as "Information".

I will assert myself on your surrender again and repeat, there is no coverage on Gaza in the US.

And as I posted in a couple of links a few pages back, that is false. Just because you didn't see it with your eyes doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You have severe mental problems when can't even tolerate people telling you this without running your foul mouth and it's sad.

Yam, you are by no means "tolerant" with regards to this issue by a long shot. You even openly stated your hateful bigoted religious views of Jews so what tolerance you have was probably beaten out of you a long time ago. You're misguided about what I think or my views and you are a very, very hateful person.

I support the freedom of Gazans and Palestinians and I want the Israelis out of the West Bank. But I am not the one that makes wild claims without backing them up, making hateful prejudiced religious views of Jews and dehumanising Gazans when they do not live in medieval conditions and have access to much the same resources and utilities as anyone else in the Middle East.

And most of all, I don't consider myself superior to anyone else because of it.

Please send me a copy of the condemnation from the New Zealand government so we can study it carefully and find out what you really think about it since you clumsily brought it up.

As you wish: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1006/S00001.htm

That is a media release issued by the New Zealand government. It openly states a condemnation of the actions taken by Israel.

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No, your incessant need to post complete and utter gibberish in every single post of yours is the reason why I can't understand it. If you actually posted something that human beings that speak English can understand, we would at least be on step closer to operating on the same intellectual wavelength.

Go back and take a look. You will find the New York Times and CBS in those links. Unless of course you think that CBS and the New York Times aren't American.

It is about Gaza is it not, seeing as the flotilla raid was about breaking the seige?

No, it's your complete and utter lack of what normal human beings would call a functioning brain.

Do I control other members? No I don't.

Nope. Still haven't proven anything yet other than say "I haven't seen any". And that's because you refuse to leave your mother's basement.

I'm sure they would. What the average Gazan gets up to in their daily lives is irrelevant to how I live my normal day to day life.

Yam, if there was any information posted, I would have accepted it as such. A link to four videos of someone's over inflated opinion don't as "Information".

And as I posted in a couple of links a few pages back, that is false. Just because you didn't see it with your eyes doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Yam, you are by no means "tolerant" with regards to this issue by a long shot. You even openly stated your hateful bigoted religious views of Jews so what tolerance you have was probably beaten out of you a long time ago. You're misguided about what I think or my views and you are a very, very hateful person.

I support the freedom of Gazans and Palestinians and I want the Israelis out of the West Bank. But I am not the one that makes wild claims without backing them up, making hateful prejudiced religious views of Jews and dehumanising Gazans when they do not live in medieval conditions and have access to much the same resources and utilities as anyone else in the Middle East.

And most of all, I don't consider myself superior to anyone else because of it.

As you wish: http://www.scoop.co....1006/S00001.htm

That is a media release issued by the New Zealand government. It openly states a condemnation of the actions taken by Israel.

Why are four videos not information to you, michaelw? Because you haven't watched them and you have nothing to offer about the OT of this thread. Videos have plenty of information but you have to watch them first. This thread is crawling with links. Why don't you read them instead of ignoring them? You're extremely ignorant of information because you reject it outright. I care about this issue deeply, and I'm not tolerant of oppression, are you? I impose the same standards on Israel I impose on everyone. You can whine the rest of your life about it and your tears are not going to help you. If you don't care about this human disaster enough to even think about Palestinians from your island bubble, then find something you do care about and spend your time doing that. Life is short michaelw. Do something you care about.

The "proof" of a negative is no proof at all. There is no coverage of Gaza in mainstream US media. Even when Israel's safety and security are threatened, "Gaza bound" boats allegedly threatening Israel isn't coverage of Gaza. It doesn't even go far enough to say that there is no coverage of Gaza in the US media unless the security and safety of Israel is threatened. Why is this fact hard to swallow? Because it's disgusting michaelw. It would be considered controversial if a major US media outlet did an in-depth investigation about living conditions in Palestine. That's because living conditions in Gaza are deplorable. It's a hand to mouth existence propped up on charity-welfare and scraps of trade keeping Gaza in perpetual poverty. And you defend this inhumanity and waste. The shame of that!

Now onto the New Zealand's response. Foreign Minister Murray McCully condemned Israel. Did your Prime Minister condemn Israel? "I am taking immediate steps to communicate the Government's concerns over this incident to the Government of Israel," Mr McCully said. What was NZ's response from Israel after he took his immediate steps? What did Israel say to New Zealand in this emergency? You got the middle finger, not your UN Security Council full investigation. Mr. McCully goes on to say: “This violent event serves to underline the fact that the situation in Gaza is not sustainable. We urge an intensification of the efforts to find a solution to that, and the wider challenges in the region." michaelw, your foreign minister is right. It is a fact that the situation in Gaza is not sustainable, and the violence does underline it, and therefore of course we condone the intensification of efforts, not the opposition of efforts michaelw, to put an end to it.

I support the freedom of Gazans and Palestinians and I want the Israelis out of the West Bank.

Show me examples. Let's see evidence of this "support" from you for the freedom of Palestinians among your thousands of posts here.

But I am not the one that makes wild claims without backing them up,

Of course you're the one, michaelw. You make wild claims every thread you participate in. You said that Gaza gets most of the media coverage and you haven't backed that up. You said everyone thinks I'm a fool and you haven't backed that up either.

making hateful prejudiced religious views of Jews and dehumanising Gazans when they do not live in medieval conditions and have access to much the same resources and utilities as anyone else in the Middle East.

I have no examples of what you're talking about michaelw. The economic conditions in Gaza are worse than medieval. People traded in medieval times. This is a siege and an act of war against 1.5 million innocent men, women and children and someone in Israel should pay a terrible price for that.

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Aye....and it was an EVERLASTING covenant. Immutable. The truth is you've convinced yourself that the Jews have no right to the land even though you will not show the courage of conviction and admit it. Oh my how disappointed you and those like you are going to continue to be as time moves on and your desires move ever farther from fruition.

The covenant was with the children of Abraham and furthermore the covenant was conditional (remember Deuteronomy chapter 28) that God would expulse the Israelites from the land if they did not obey His covenant.

Furthermore, modern Jews arent a race through admixture and conversion. So the Palestinians are entitled to that land if not more because of the sheer generations upon which they inhabited the land contrary to the immigrating Eastern European Jewry.

Bennett Greenspan, a colleague of geneticist Dr. Michael Hammer, has established Family Tree DNA Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. to investigate the roots of European Jews and family genealogies. Visit his site to see if you may benefit from their services. This site is an affiliate. The website Genetics and Human Migration Patterns was recommended to me.

Aish HaTorah exposes the myth of a separate Jewish race: "Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew - and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another. There is no distinguishing racial physical feature common only to Jews."

Rabbi Harold M. Schulweis explains the nature of Judaism: "One of the unique aspects of Judaism is its rejection of Judaism as a biological entity, an inherited spiritual DNA, racial or ethnic. The point is that being a Jew is not a matter of genes and chromosomes. To the contrary, Judaism is the first religion to recognize the 'ger', the stranger who chooses to identify himself with Judaism. Judaism is not rooted in race or clan or in a genetic matter but a religious tradition of choice."

In Rabbi Jonathan Sacks's book Future Tense: Jews, Judaism, and Israel in the Twenty-First Century (2009) on page 62 briefly mentioned (and almost endorsed) Arthur Koestler's theory of Khazar origins for Ashkenazim and wrote: "Judaism is not an ethnicity and Jews are not an ethnic group. Go to the Western Wall in Jerusalem and you will see Jews of every colour and culture under the sun, the Beta Israel from Ethiopia, the Bene Israel from India, Bukharan Jews from central Asia, Iraqi, Berber, Egyptian, Kurdish and Libyan, the Temamim from Yemen, alongside American Jews from Russia, South African Jews from Lithuania, and British Jews from German-speaking Poland. Their food, music, dress, customs, and conventions are all different. Jewishness is not an ethnicity but a living lexicon of ethnicities."

The answer is that Jews are a religion and a civilization, but not a race or singular ethnic group (the latter two definitions marginalize proselytes). As Rabbi Rami Shapiro said: "There is only one response to Who is a Jew? that works: A Jew is one who takes Judaism seriously. One who takes Judaism seriously studies it, argues with it, and lives it." The proper name of the separate ethnic group that most Jews descend from is Israelite.

http://www.khazaria..../abstracts.html

The Racial Theory

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Maybe Jews have been hated because they are a different race.

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The overriding problem with this theory is that it is self-contradictory: Jews are not a race. Anyone can become a Jew – and members of every race, creed and color in the world have done so at one time or another.

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There is no distinguishing racial physical feature common only to Jews. Even the idea of a "Jewish nose" is a myth. (A study done in 1911 disproved the "existence of the Jewish nose.") Anti-Semites don’t hate only those Jews who have distinctively Jewish physical features; they hate all Jews

They hate Eastern European Jews; they hate Israeli, Russian and Yemenite Jews; they hate blond, blue-eyed Dutch Jews as well as dark-skinned, Mediterranean-looking Jews. Any Jew will do.

Anti-Semitism cannot be explained as racism for the very simple reason that Jews are not a race.

http://international...ws/yjt05600.htm

Jewish Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries

A collection of abstracts and reviews of books, articles, and genetic studies

This section is the most comprehensive summary of Jewish genetic data. In recent years, advances in genetic technology and the broadening in scope of genetic studies to encompass more ethnic groups have allowed scientists to come to more accurate conclusions. Now that we have the benefit of more than a decade of comprehensive genetic testing of Jewish populations using modern techniques, we have finally come close to answering all the questions about Jewish ancestry. Part of the story is that Eastern European Jews have significant Eastern Mediterranean elements which manifest themselves in close relationships with Kurdish, Armenian, Palestinian Arab, Lebanese, Syrian, and Anatolian Turkish peoples. This is why the Y-DNA haplogroups J and E, which are typical of the Middle East, are so common among them. Jewish lineages from this region of the world derive from both the Levant and the Anatolia-Armenia region. At the same time, there are traces of European (including Northern Italian and Western Slavic or Eastern Slavic) and Khazar ancestry among European Jews. Many Greek and Roman women married Jewish men before conversion to Judaism was outlawed by the Roman Empire, and many of the Southern European ancestral lines in Ashkenazic families come from these marriages. Ethiopian Jews mostly descend from Ethiopian Africans who converted to Judaism, but may also be related to a lesser extent to Yemenite Jews. Yemenite Jews descend from Arabs and Israelites. North African Jewish and Kurdish Jewish paternal lineages come from Israelites. Jewish Y-DNA tends to come from the Middle East, and that studies that take into account mtDNA show that many Jewish populations are related to neighboring non-Jewish groups maternally. All existing studies fail to compare modern Jewish populations' DNA to ancient Judean DNA and medieval Khazarian DNA, but in the absence of old DNA, comparisons with living populations appear to be adequate to trace geographic roots.

1 Studies of Jewish Populations (FOR MORE) ---> http://www.khazaria....racts-jews.html (ALOT OF READING)

Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, Michael Hammer's study of 2000, Doron Behar's study of 2008, Steven Bray's study of 2010, and others.

Key findings:

The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.

Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples from the northern Mediterranean region and even less from Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q1b1a (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European but the most common Ashkenazic variant comes from somewhere in Asia, probably Central Asia).

Dutch Jews from the Netherlands also descend from northwestern Europeans.

Sephardim also descend, in a smaller way, from various non-Israelite peoples.

Georgian Jews (Gruzinim) are a mix of Georgians and Israelites.

Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are a mix of Yemenite Arabs and Israelites.

Moroccan Jews, Algerian Jews, and Tunisian Jews are mainly Israelites.

Libyan Jews are mainly Israelites who may have mixed somewhat with Berbers.

Ethiopian Jews are almost exclusively Ethiopian, with little or no Israelite ancestry.

Bene Israel Jews and Cochin Jews of India have much Indian ancestry in their mtDNA.

Palestinian Arabs are probably partly Israelite.

2 Studies of Cohens and Levites (For More) ---> http://www.khazaria....hen-levite.html

Key findings:

The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations of the world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of India.

The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common among the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).

The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, but rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, Palestinian Arabs, and a few other peoples.

About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism.

3 Studies on Jewish Genetic Diseases and Disease Protections (FOR MORE) ---> http://www.khazaria....s-diseases.html

This section has studies and commentaries related to Jewish genetic diseases such as Mediterranean Fever, Tay-Sachs, and pemphigus vulgaris. Learn about their geographical and ethnic diffusion, and what this often tells us about the degree of closeness between Jews and certain non-Jewish ethnic groups like Iranians, Anatolian Turks, and Palestinian Arabs.

Key findings:

The 185delAG breast cancer mutation is found among both Ashkenazim and Moroccan Jews.

A mutation causing Factor XI Deficiency is found among both Ashkenazim and Iraqi Jews.

One form of the gene causing Familial Mediterranean Fever is found among Ashkenazim, Iraqi Jews, Druzes, and Armenians. Another form of the gene is found among Iraqi Jews, North African Jews, and Armenians. Some Sephardim, Arabs, and Anatolian Turks also have the gene.

Gaucher Disease is found among both Ashkenazim and some Europeans.

The mutation DFNB1, which causes deafness, is found among both Ashkenazim and Palestinian Arabs.

The mutation G2019S sometimes associated with Parkinson's Disease is found among both Ashkenazim and Arabs.

I1307K, an allele that causes Colorectal Cancer, is found among Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and Arabs.

The pemphigus MHC susceptibility gene is found among both Ashkenazim and Iranians.

The protective CCR5-D32 allele may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic population by Khazars.

4 Studies that test the potential Israelite ancestry of certain non-Jewish populations (FOR MORE) ---> http://www.khazaria....ts-nonjews.html

This is a section related to the ancestry of such groups as the Samaritans, Lembas, and American Latinos of the southwest.

Key findings:

Samaritans are descended from Israelite men and Assyrian women.

Those Lembas who possess the Cohen Modal Haplotype have Middle Eastern ancestry, possibly Jewish Cohen. The Buba clan is especially Middle Eastern in its paternal DNA.

Many Spanish-speaking Latinos of the American Southwest are descended from Anusim (Spanish Jews who were forced to convert to Catholicism).

The Mizo people of northeastern India, the self-styled "B'nei Menashe", have no proven genetic connection to the Israelites.

Avenues for further exploration

There are known skeletons of Khazars from the Don-valley (Sarkel, Semikarakovskoye, etc.) and from the Crimea (e.g., Sudak). It is important to note that Khazarian skeletons and North Caucasian Turks have not yet been used to compare Jewish genes with likely traces of the Khazars. Thus, the Khazar theory has not really been put to the genetic test yet. Some historians and scientists recognized the need for specifically testing the Khazar theory, rather than generalizing based on studies of other non-Khazar populations:

"Still more, it has been resolved to put bones found in those sites through genetic testing. DNA studies... will reveal the mystery of the ghost ancestor..." - "El fantasma de los jázaros" by Alicia Dujovne Ortiz, in La Nación (Buenos Aires, Argentina), August 14, 1999 issue, Opinion section.

"Certain scholars in addition appear much to await genetic tests of the DNA of the bones taken for the study of the migrations and the authentication of the sites." - "L'histoire retrouvée des Khazars" by Nicolas Weill, in Le Monde (France), July 9, 1999 issue, page 12.

Unfortunately, as Bennett Greenspan pointed out, Y-DNA doesn't usually last more than 100 years in the remains of a dead person, so direct testing of Khazar bones may be impossible.

In 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik of Johns Hopkins University formally launched a Khazar DNA Project that intends to search for any traces of the Khazars in Jewish and non-Jewish populations, concentrating on autosomal DNA. He is particularly interested in a Caucasus-specific ancestral component he identified and wants to discover whether it is found in any Jewish populations.

The DNA of the Egyptian Karaites remains to be studied on a large-scale basis. The DNA of the Crimean Karaites is currently being studied. Small-scale testing of Lithuanian-Polish and Crimean Karaites occurred during the years 2005 and 2006 and the results were published in the 2nd edition of The Jews of Khazaria in October 2006. More Crimean Karaite samples were tested later. The tests were upgraded to 37 markers in 2009-2010 and yielded more precise results, and more matches were located as well. Five tests were upgraded to 67 markers in 2011. As of August 16, 2011 we have 28 total participants in our Lithuanian-Polish and Crimean Karaite Y-DNA and mtDNA projects. The latest analysis will be published later.

http://www.khazaria..../abstracts.html

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Judaism has always welcomed converts like the Khazars into the Jewish fold as equals:

"And when a stranger sojourns with you and will keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males become circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is a native of the land; for no uncircumcised person shall eat it. One law shall be to him that is homeborn and to the stranger that sojourns among you." (Exodus 12:48)

"The Jews were dispersed among the nations so as to make converts." (Pesakhim 87b)

"Converts are beloved; in every way God considers them as part of Israel." (Mekhilta Nezikim Mishpatim 18)

"The convert is to be exalted above the Children of Israel, since the latter would never have heard the Word of the Law at Sinai were it not for the signs and wonders and the terrible rumblings of the mountain, but the convert came of his own free will to accept the Torah, and of all those gathered at Sinai, he is the most beloved." (Mekhilta, Mishpatin, 18)

"Do not urge me to leave you, to turn back and not follow you. For wherever you go, I will go; wherever you lodge, I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God." (Ruth 1:16)

"You shall love the convert, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt." (Devarim 10:19)

"Do not hurt the feelings of a convert or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt." (Shemos [Exodus] 22:20)

"The convert should be to you exactly like a born Jew and you shall love him like yourself, for you were strangers in Egypt - I am HaShem, your God." (VaYikra [Leviticus] 19:33-34)

Nevertheless, there are many who distort history to attempt to deny the Jewishness of the Khazars.

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