Spain Church Funding Cut, Islam Funding Increased

[DC09]

The Spanish government sparked a furious row yesterday after it emerged that it had drawn up a timetable to halve state funding of the Roman Catholic Church and to ban crucifixes from public buildings.

The Socialist government has already pedged to confront the Church ideologically and fiscally and to transform Spain into a fully secular society by scrapping the Church’s “privileged position in society”.

The newspaper El Mundo reported yesterday that the government has now drawn up a timetable to break the bonds, removing any lingering hopes that it might reach an accommodation.

The government plans to put an end to the arrangement whereby Spaniards can offer a percentage of their taxes to the Church. This arrangement contributes £54 million a year to Church funds.

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Further enraging conservatives, the government has drawn up plans to finance the teaching of Islam in state-run schools and to give funds to mosques on the grounds that it will create greater understanding of the country’s one million Muslims.

Although Spain has been a Catholic country since the expulsion of the Moors in 1492 is has also long had a tradition of anti-clericalism that flared violently during the civil war. The old saying was that “a Spaniard is always behind a priest, either with a candle or a stake.”

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Further enraging conservatives, the government has drawn up plans to finance the teaching of Islam in state-run schools and to give funds to mosques on the grounds that it will create greater understanding of the country’s one million Muslims.

[Talon]

The Spanish government sparked a furious row yesterday after it emerged that it had drawn up a timetable to halve state funding of the Roman Catholic Church and to ban crucifixes from public buildings.

The Socialist government has already pedged to confront the Church ideologically and fiscally and to transform Spain into a fully secular society by scrapping the Church’s “privileged position in society”.

Good for them

the government has drawn up plans to finance the teaching of Islam in state-run schools and to give funds to mosques on the grounds that it will create greater understanding of the country’s one million Muslims.

Get stuffed

[DC09]

the government has drawn up plans to finance the teaching of Islam in state-run schools and to give funds to mosques on the grounds that it will create greater understanding of the country’s one million Muslims.

Get stuffed

No kidding. It would be a move toward seperation of church and state if wasn't for this.

If they're gonna do this I hope they're smart enough to keep a close eye out for any fanatics. This is a classic example of appeasement. Kinda.

They're thinking that if they're more pro-Islam it will stave off any more terror attacks.

Yeah right.

Edited September 25, 2004 by Kellalor

[Mishari]

Do have any idea what you just said??? what you just said was totally racist for me as a Muslim person. You are saying that ever Muslim on this planet is a Terroist and want to kill you??? if you do think that then i am afraid you are just stupid and need to open your mind and see the real picture. Not all Muslims are terroists and so are Christians, there has been Non-Muslims Terriosits in the past and no one can deny that fact. The ppl that are now committing these stupid terroist attacks have completely forgotten the real message of Islam and obviously don't know a thing about Islam, although they act and claim that they are doing it in the name of Islam, which is WRONG and should never be done. These Terroists that you see these days are ONLY doing those acts for their OWN needs and DON'T care about the Islam Community at all. In fact what they are doing is just harming and destroying the Image and the message of Islam, which is Peace. Even the Word Islam means"Peace" in translation in English and any other language.

Edited September 26, 2004 by Mishari

[Talon]

Oh stop being paraniod Mishari, as right-wing as Kellalor is she didn't say anywhere all Muslims are terrorists.

Furthermore,

These Terroists that you see these days are ONLY doing those acts for their OWN needs and DON'T care about the Islam Community at all.

This is rubbish. Whether or not they represent the views of most Muslims is irrelevant, they ARE committing these acts in the name of Islam.

[Mishari]

I will Repeat and Stand by what i said earlier:

The ppl that are now committing these stupid terroist attacks have completely forgotten the real message of Islam and obviously don't know a thing about Islam, although they act and claim that they are doing it in the name of Islam, which is WRONG and should never be done

In fact what they are doing is just harming and destroying the Image and the message of Islam, which is Peace. Even the Word Islam means"Peace" in translation in English and any other language

[Fluffybunny]

I should have just cut and pasted from the previous thread.

As this thread appears to be degenerating into name calling I am going to ask that everyone return to being civil with each other.

If there is more name calling and pointless flame inspiring drivel added I will close this thread down.

Please play nice with each other. Thank You.

[Talon]

The fact remains, they ARE doing this for Islam. Islamic culture at the moment is obviously breeding, for whatever reason, these psychotic extremists. Arguments for Muslim leaders etc that they are not true Muslims or not following the teachings of Islam is not the way to handle this, and does change that this they are doing these things because they do interpret Islamic teachings as stating terrorism is okay. For Islamic terrorism to end, the Islamic community must stop denying these mean are Muslim, and start tackling the elements in their culture which breed terrorists.

[Mishari]

No you got it all Wrong man. Islam BANS and DOESN't ALLOW terrorism and never said that such an act is okay and is right. Islam is Aganist this act and is trying to fight it but These Terroisst that claim they are doing their acts in the name of Islam keep destroying the Real Image of Islam. Islam is a religion of Peace and that has been the Message Since the day this Religion Started and will never change.

[DC09]

First of all Mishari, I did not say all Muslims were terrorists. I was refering to the extremists, so calm down. I said they should keep an eye out for fanatics.

Secondly, the terrorists do believe what they're doing is for Islam.

For Islamic terrorism to end, the Islamic community must stop denying these mean are Muslim, and start tackling the elements in their culture which breed terrorists.

What he said.

[Talon]

Islam BANS and DOESN't ALLOW terrorism and never said that such an act is okay and is right.

Yet all international terrorists in todays world are Islamic?

Islam keep destroying the Real Image of Islam. Islam is a religion of Peace and that has been the Message Since the day this Religion Started and will never change.

That may be so, but as I stated, its obvious that elements within Islamic culture do lead to people going to the extremes and becoming terrorists. And for that to end the Islamic community must tackle this element of their culture.

Christainity had the same thing 700 hundred years ago when it tried to wipe out non-christains. Yet now, with the exception of a few lunatics and the odd cult, Christainity is a very different religion from when it was on the crusades. Islam must now take the same path.

[Mishari]

I heard you man. But you got to get this in your mind, these Terroists aren't doing these ACTS in the Name of Islam, they are just saying that to get Support. Seriously, i don't consider these ppl Muslims although i am not allow to say such a thing.

[Talon]

these Terroists aren't doing these ACTS in the Name of Islam

I'm afraid they are

[DC09]

Christainity had the same thing 700 hundred years ago when it tried to wipe out non-christains.

The Crusades to the East were actually defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression.

They were a response to more than 4 centuries of conquest, the Muslims had already conquered two-thirds of the old Christian world. They had to defend themselves at some point or be wiped out.

[Talon]

The Crusades to the East were actually defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression.

Okay, then I'll go with the inquisition, witch trails, hatred between protestant/catholic, attacks on pagans etc etc. The Islam is current in the stage Christians were at that time, needs to cast aside the elements that take it to such extremes if it wished to truly become a peaceful religion.

[Mishari]

I'm afraid they are

They are just saying that to get support!! Seriously Remember when the Kidnappers of the 2 French guys, they first had one demand which was that they would allow all the Muslim women to wear the"hegab" in france. But the next day they changed their demands into something for themselves. so they are just saying we are doing this in the name of islam as a cover up to what they really want.

[Talon]

Well sure, each group is going to have differing agendas etc, but over all they are doing this to further (as they see is ) Islam. I can understand were your coming from, your don't like the idea of your religion being though of as committing such acts, and no one here believes that the average Muslim would do this. However, there are violent elements of the Islamic culture that do commit such acts. And some will indeed be don't it for their own goals, like gaining power etc, but the bulk will be doing it because they believe it to be the act of Islam. Doesn't mean that it is Islamic teaching, just that they see it as such. Its the only way to explain why all international terrorists today are Islamic.

[Talon]

We're just really going in circles here Should just agree to disagree

[Mishari]

No it is because theyu lack islamic teachings and if they think terroism is the only way to get what they want then they don't know the first thing about islam.

[Fluffybunny]

We're just really going in circles here Should just agree to disagree

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That sounds like a good idea.

[DC09]

We're just really going in circles here Should just agree to disagree

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That's probably a good idea.