zephyr Posted September 29, 2004 #51 Share Posted September 29, 2004 You're right...shame on all those westerners who go to the middle east and get beheaded. 282912[/snapback] I think you are mixing up the issues here! I don't see the relation between what you are saying and what I was saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyr Posted September 29, 2004 #52 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Gotta make it quick... class ends in 5! There is absolutely no way to be sure that when it comes to defence issues, one country behaves better than another Therefore, to believe that America; for example, would never use her nukes first, is being extremely naive and we all know that she has done so in the past. Now, some countries might mention their intentions before hand and some might not! Most people know that the US wouldnt use its nukes first without enough provokation. What I can see, is any nuclear country having a scortched earth policy-- when they're on the brink of loosing the war, they use their nukes in a "If we cant have it, no one can!" attempt. Now, lets think for a second, how likely is it that the US gets to that point, compared to other countries like Iran...? 282916[/snapback] With Saddam and the Taleban (two fabricated enemies of Iran) no longer around ( thanks to the US for cleaning up the mess that the West and some of their regional allies helped to make); the possibility of Iran being involved in a war in the near future is very slim, not to say inexistent! Unless of course some people would be crazy enough to attack her The phobia of Iran throwing a nuclear bomb soon, is far removed from the realities on the ground here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted September 29, 2004 #53 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I think you are mixing up the issues here! I don't see the relation between what you are saying and what I was saying Because thats just it zephyr. it is all intertwined. Islamic fanatacism , Moderate Islam , terrorists and middle eastern governments. There are all intertiwined. Have our countrues acted appallingly in the previous decades?? Yes. Are they now?? Thats very debatable. You see im against the war in Iraq on the basis of what we were told, howvere there comes a time when appeasment is not an option as appeasment is not even a bargaining tool. I beleieve that the religion of islam doesnt do enough to weed out the terrorists and i believe that is becaus ethe religion has deep rooted hatred for all non-muslims. I beleieve that moderate muslims in Iraq america and britain , all over the world in fact not only just fail to condemn these attacks but in their own homes will attempt to justify them , and not only that will protect the fanatics who breath hatred for us all, they may not participate in the atrocities but i do beleive they would tell lies to our governments about them. It may sound racist but when million upon millions of muslims are spitting venom about our very existance even in our own countries i think there is a point of no return and we may be about to reach it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted September 29, 2004 #54 Share Posted September 29, 2004 agrees with Wun Universe implodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 29, 2004 #55 Share Posted September 29, 2004 (edited) The phobia of Iran throwing a nuclear bomb soon, is far removed from the realities on the ground here The phobia of Iran trying to destroy other countries *cough*Israel*cough* to serve it's ideological principles *cough*Islamic fanaticism*cough* is sadly very real. How do you think the average Israeli see the current Iranian regime, that almost daily calls for the destrcution of Israel? That writes on it's Shiaab 3 missiles in military parades messages hoping for Israel's destruction? The current Iranian regime is a Shiite equivelant of the Wahhabist Al Qaeda. It sponsors terrorism throughout the middle-east. Heck - it even supports Wahhabist terror organizations like Hamas because it serves it's aspiration for the destruction of Israel. As I said before - the current Iranian regime doesn't serve Iranian interests - it is a pro-Arabic, pro-Sunni (because it supports radical sunnis - aka wahhabists) regime. Iran and Israel should unite in a counter clliance to counter the huge Arabic hamagony in the ME. Iranians and Jews were in good relations for the last 2,500 years. Iran has all the interests in the world to be allied with Israel - the Sunni Arabs will slaughter the Shiias in any chance they will get. The Arabs conquered Iran and destroyed youre great civilization. We are both non-Arabic non-Sunni minorities in the ME. We, the Kurds, and the Turks should all be united in a League of our own, parallel to that of the Arab League. But for this, the Turks and the Kurds must come to an agreement and end hostility between them (and it is largley the responsibility of the Turkish government for the hostility with the Kurds), and we too should end hostility between ourselves (largely the fault of the current pro-Arabic fanatic regime of Iran). Edited September 29, 2004 by Erikl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 29, 2004 #56 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I agree with Wun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 29, 2004 #57 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Oh, yeah, I also agree with Wun... (bathory, wun, me an talon all on the same side - I'm shocked and horrified ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 29, 2004 #58 Share Posted September 29, 2004 We often agree ... just if we avoid... certain... issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 29, 2004 #59 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Which shall not be mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyr Posted September 29, 2004 #60 Share Posted September 29, 2004 The phobia of Iran throwing a nuclear bomb soon, is far removed from the realities on the ground here The phobia of Iran trying to destroy other countries *cough*Israel*cough* to serve it's ideological principles *cough*Islamic fanaticism*cough* is sadly very real. How do you think the average Israeli see the current Iranian regime, that almost daily calls for the destrcution of Israel? That writes on it's Shiaab 3 missiles in military parades messages hoping for Israel's destruction? The current Iranian regime is a Shiite equivelant of the Wahhabist Al Qaeda. It sponsors terrorism throughout the middle-east. Heck - it even supports Wahhabist terror organizations like Hamas because it serves it's aspiration for the destruction of Israel. As I said before - the current Iranian regime doesn't serve Iranian interests - it is a pro-Arabic, pro-Sunni (because it supports radical sunnis - aka wahhabists) regime. Iran and Israel should unite in a counter clliance to counter the huge Arabic hamagony in the ME. Iranians and Jews were in good relations for the last 2,500 years. Iran has all the interests in the world to be allied with Israel - the Sunni Arabs will slaughter the Shiias in any chance they will get. The Arabs conquered Iran and destroyed youre great civilization. We are both non-Arabic non-Sunni minorities in the ME. We, the Kurds, and the Turks should all be united in a League of our own, parallel to that of the Arab League. But for this, the Turks and the Kurds must come to an agreement and end hostility between them (and it is largley the responsibility of the Turkish government for the hostility with the Kurds), and we too should end hostility between ourselves (largely the fault of the current pro-Arabic fanatic regime of Iran). 283902[/snapback] I think it is important to distinguish between propaganda and real-politics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted September 29, 2004 #61 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I think it is important to distinguish between propaganda and real-politics! Care to ellaborate on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis Posted September 29, 2004 #62 Share Posted September 29, 2004 (edited) what are you worrying about Iran for?? Israel has nuclear power and one of the best armies in the world, not to mention full military backing of the US, who in their right mind would dream of attacking a country with all that??? It seems to me just another excuse to go into Iran and obliterate it for not having the same ideaologies as you and me. Edited September 29, 2004 by alis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted September 29, 2004 #63 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Oh, yeah, I also agree with Wun... (bathory, wun, me an talon all on the same side - I'm shocked and horrified ) 283972[/snapback] Geez, so let me see if I have this straight; Bathory, Wun, Erikl, Talon and I are all agreeing on the same issue... So what was the second sign of the apocolypse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 29, 2004 #64 Share Posted September 29, 2004 So what was the second sign of the apocolypse? What was the first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 29, 2004 #65 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Yeah Alis is back! I missed you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyr Posted September 30, 2004 #66 Share Posted September 30, 2004 I think it is important to distinguish between propaganda and real-politics! Care to ellaborate on that? 284170[/snapback] I don't know how much elaborating I can do on that In politics; especially in the mid eastern versions, things aren't as obvious as they may appear to be, and people say things they don't really mean, and sometimes even mean exactly the opposite of what they are saying The art consists of distinguishing between slogans and intentions. It is a game we enjoy playing on hot summer afternoons and long winter nights:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyr Posted September 30, 2004 #67 Share Posted September 30, 2004 what are you worrying about Iran for?? Israel has nuclear power and one of the best armies in the world, not to mention full military backing of the US, who in their right mind would dream of attacking a country with all that??? It seems to me just another excuse to go into Iran and obliterate it for not having the same ideaologies as you and me. 284204[/snapback] Going into Iran is easier said than done, unless of course you are a tourist interested in very old stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted September 30, 2004 #68 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Israel has nuclear power and one of the best armies in the world, not to mention full military backing of the US, who in their right mind would dream of attacking a country with all that??? Oh trust me, Israel having nukes scares me too, but has them, Iran does yet. We can't do anything about Israel, but maybe abut Iran's potential nukes. If it helps, I don't ANY country should have nukes , they're civilian killers, that’s what they are made for. After we saw what they did in Japan (although I don't blame the US for using them) we should have banned the weapon completely... even if that meant taking the USSR out first simply to make sure every country complied with that rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted September 30, 2004 #69 Share Posted September 30, 2004 yay we all agreed on sumfin, i knew it was possible . I think on the forum (well dor me anyway) people kinda exagerate their veiws concerning certain issues , ion the real world we all prolly aint that different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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