Mr.United_Nations Posted July 24, 2012 #1 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Through out the past year Syrian people have been protesting against Assad which they wanted to him to change and step down, however forward that today thousands have died and fled on both sides. Now comes a new horror that Syria will use Chemical weapons against foreign interventions or feels threatened. Now Israel has said it will consider a plan if Israel is attacked, and again another uneasy report that is Iran will use force if foreign countries or organisations intervening in the crisis including Arab nations. Go back to 1991 Iraq launched scud attacks in Israel and Saudi Arabia, however none contained any chemicals much to the relief of everyone. Now Sryia has scuds and could launch at anyone. With apparent backing of Iran, China and Russia and the rebels backing with the West, could it turn ugly or is this a war if words. What is your opinion? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super-Fly Posted July 24, 2012 #2 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Nice topic. I wouldnt rule it out, it seems to me and most people i know that its gearing up for something! could be grim, only time will tell Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted July 24, 2012 #3 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I think China, Russia, and the West do too much business with each other to start fighting over Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wittyusernamefailed Posted July 24, 2012 #4 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Well Russia has already told Syria to "not even think about using Chem weapons." At this point the Russians are in the position that they are becoming increasingly concerned over Assads desperation and capability to do ANYTHING to stay in power. But to not continue with the treaties they made to Syria would be seen as an a diplomatic sign of weakness. So at this point they most likely just try to position themselves into the role of a Neutral observer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted July 24, 2012 #5 Share Posted July 24, 2012 When religion runs a country theres not much telling what they will do. Syria's civil war could very well develop into a war involving others in the region which will be bad for everyone. Sometimes I think Iran would like nothing better. I don't see Russia, China and the US going at it over this. We do way too much business with each other. Plus I think the Russians are starting to get their fill of the brutality in Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted July 24, 2012 #6 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Good topic. I think the danger exists primarily from Assad's desperation as he is going down. The flash point will be centered on Israel I think. If Assad tries to hand over any chem/bio to Hezballah or if any al Queda types on the rebel side try to steal from his stores the Israelis will launch. People often forget just how massive a military Israel has in it's own right. Assad would quickly start launching WMD at Israel and maybe Turkey and Jordan as well if Israel were to attack. I'm no military scholar but I do not think Israel could afford to fight a non conventional attack from anyone using only conventional weapons. If we awoke tomorrow to the news that tens of thousands of Israelis in Tel Aviv or Haifa were dead or dying of sarin or vx then I believe Israel would simply incinerate Damascus to make it stop quickly and deal with the repercussions when they had to. YES this has the potential to be the beginning of something horrific but I think it would still be restricted to the region only....for now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted July 24, 2012 #7 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I think you are right about if the Israelis are attacked they would nuke Damascus or whoever attacked them like Iran. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 28, 2012 Author #8 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Well Iran seems to side with the Syrian government they are sending.....electricity lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted July 28, 2012 #9 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Well Iran seems to side with the Syrian government they are sending.....electricity lol electricity ? man they're sending them troops , guns , and spying devices to end the rebels the whole world is siding with the goverment and those who don't side with it they eaither silent or yapping without any real intention of action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted July 28, 2012 #10 Share Posted July 28, 2012 electricity ? man they're sending them troops , guns , and spying devices to end the rebels the whole world is siding with the goverment and those who don't side with it they eaither silent or yapping without any real intention of action Couple of point's KoS..... If America tried to send troops or planes the rebels AND the government would shoot at us. If we supply weapons and information that helps the rebels and the rebels turn out to be worse than Assad, we'd get blamed by everyone for interfering. Our "client" in the area is Israel... no matter which side wins, Israel loses. And BTW, if Assad decides to turn everyone's attention away from Syria by attacking Israel with chemical weapons the Israel probably uses nukes against him and Syria. So it's not just a bad situation for the Syrians, it's pretty damned serious for the whole world. You've said yourself that no matter what happens the Alawites are "going to pay" for the crimes they committed. And I agree that they should. But how does that ever lead to peace? I believe that Damascus is going to be destroyed in a nuclear strike by Israel - soon. I guess the city will be peaceful enough then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted July 28, 2012 #11 Share Posted July 28, 2012 the points are not vaild because you misunderstood me i don't ask for any western country to send anything to help we will take care of our country and free it without any interfernce that grant the west gratitude over us i am merely naming things as they are to notice that no one had helped us and that what we accomplish we would do it " by our hands " as to israel using nukes .. you know as well as i do israel would never do that you forgot that countries are no longer ruled by dictators so should israel act foolish enough to attack syria with nukes i think it will cease to exist however on another level our gov is too coward to use bio against israel because they still clinging to their power .. and using that they know they'd never regain power ever again after all .israel was their first ally for long time ps : mark my words .. when rebels win and free syria the west THEN will try to interfer under excuse of guarding the bio or chemical weapons or what so ever but main point they will interfer " after " things are over only then we'll consider them the enemies as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted July 29, 2012 #12 Share Posted July 29, 2012 the points are not vaild because you misunderstood me i don't ask for any western country to send anything to help we will take care of our country and free it without any interfernce that grant the west gratitude over us i am merely naming things as they are to notice that no one had helped us and that what we accomplish we would do it " by our hands " as to israel using nukes .. you know as well as i do israel would never do that you forgot that countries are no longer ruled by dictators so should israel act foolish enough to attack syria with nukes i think it will cease to exist however on another level our gov is too coward to use bio against israel because they still clinging to their power .. and using that they know they'd never regain power ever again after all .israel was their first ally for long time ps : mark my words .. when rebels win and free syria the west THEN will try to interfer under excuse of guarding the bio or chemical weapons or what so ever but main point they will interfer " after " things are over only then we'll consider them the enemies as well But you see, that's the point. Those weapons being taken over by a DISORGANIZED group that could pass them over to any terror group and once they have been "lost" they could turn up anywhere without the ability to trace. So, YEAH, the west will come after them. You know that I am against what is happening to the innocents in your country. But those weapons would be used against others in other countries, maybe even my own, if Al Queda, Hezbollah or others got a hand on them. Chemical and Bio weapons are HORRIFIC. Have you seen the pictures of when Saddam used them on the Kurds? If the west destroys them at sites in Syria it will make a mess that will take years to clean up, if ever. The only other option is to destroy the means of transporting them or to actually send in troops to secure them. No very good options exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted July 29, 2012 #13 Share Posted July 29, 2012 But you see, that's the point. Those weapons being taken over by a DISORGANIZED group that could pass them over to any terror group and once they have been "lost" they could turn up anywhere without the ability to trace. So, YEAH, the west will come after them. You know that I am against what is happening to the innocents in your country. But those weapons would be used against others in other countries, maybe even my own, if Al Queda, Hezbollah or others got a hand on them. Chemical and Bio weapons are HORRIFIC. Have you seen the pictures of when Saddam used them on the Kurds? If the west destroys them at sites in Syria it will make a mess that will take years to clean up, if ever. The only other option is to destroy the means of transporting them or to actually send in troops to secure them. No very good options exist. see that's what they'll tell the public and you people will fall for it easily but where were they when we were getting killed ? that's right they never cared am telling you really i think if the west tried to interfer " after " the system fall down we will fight them off till the last drop of blood when the regiem fall down and the weapons are seized by the same army who used to have them only different this army used to be under command of gov .. but not anymore so they are not disorganized groups but i was merely telling you the excuse the west going to give to interfer after it's all over the real intention is to steal our weapons " which we own rightfully to self defense since israel got nuclear " and the other reason is to plant their next " bad seed dictator " here like they did in iraq .. but alas not even in their dreams we will fight even till the last breath if the west ever thought of riding on our revolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 29, 2012 Author #14 Share Posted July 29, 2012 The Rebels are asking the West to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted July 29, 2012 #15 Share Posted July 29, 2012 see that's what they'll tell the public and you people will fall for it easily but where were they when we were getting killed ? that's right they never cared am telling you really i think if the west tried to interfer " after " the system fall down we will fight them off till the last drop of blood when the regiem fall down and the weapons are seized by the same army who used to have them only different this army used to be under command of gov .. but not anymore so they are not disorganized groups but i was merely telling you the excuse the west going to give to interfer after it's all over the real intention is to steal our weapons " which we own rightfully to self defense since israel got nuclear " and the other reason is to plant their next " bad seed dictator " here like they did in iraq .. but alas not even in their dreams we will fight even till the last breath if the west ever thought of riding on our revolution We are being told that Al Queda is well represented within the rebels. No one seems sure WHO is in charge and that even among the rebels there is no clear leader. I'm pretty sure that the reason Obama hasn't already involved the US is because he knows that once those weapons get used, it's ON..... And that means Russia could get involved too. No offense to you KoS but your country has nothing the west needs. There is almost no oil, the war has caused so much thirst for revenge between different groups there that an ongoing civil war is almost guaranteed no matter WHO wins. If it weren't for the potential danger of Israel becoming involved and causing a wider war in the region the US probably wouldn't be involved at all. I will admit that if Russia were not involved the west might meddle there as a way to weaken Iran. But no one is going to risk the chance for an "accidental" nuclear war over who owns Syria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 29, 2012 #16 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I think it reeks of BS. The moment I heard on an American news site "Syria has Chemical and biological WMD's".... I was like "Ah here we go again".... "Where are the ones from Iraq?" I have a question.... Why does the US give Israel a load of money each year and why do we constantly have to help them? What do we get in return? Kinda confused by this and nobody seems to ask it? In Israel they kill and torture civilians every single day.... Yet we throw money at them and are strong allies with them. But most other countries who kills and tortures civillians we go flying in there like "superheroes" or "freedom fighters"... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 29, 2012 Author #17 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I think it reeks of BS. The moment I heard on an American news site "Syria has Chemical and biological WMD's".... I was like "Ah here we go again".... "Where are the ones from Iraq?" I have a question.... Why does the US give Israel a load of money each year and why do we constantly have to help them? What do we get in return? Kinda confused by this and nobody seems to ask it? In Israel they kill and torture civilians every single day.... Yet we throw money at them and are strong allies with them. But most other countries who kills and tortures civillians we go flying in there like "superheroes" or "freedom fighters"... lol No one is saying Israel needs help. Please this is about Syria's problems not Israel's...yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 29, 2012 #18 Share Posted July 29, 2012 No one is saying Israel needs help. Please this is about Syria's problems not Israel's...yet Ok sorry I went off otpic with Isreal but I would like it answered. You know damn fine Isreal will be involved. (love the fact you said "yet" lol) I'm sure I read they have been already though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 29, 2012 Author #19 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Well Israel can only get involved if Iran supplies weapons to Syria. Chemical weapons have been admitted by the Syrian government and one with the advanced in that technology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 29, 2012 #20 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Well Israel can only get involved if Iran supplies weapons to Syria. Chemical weapons have been admitted by the Syrian government and one with the advanced in that technology. I just searched to see how they obtained these chemical WMD's... All I am getting is that theories that it was form Iran or N.Korea and a conspiracy theory it was from Saddam... How come there is no actual answer? You don't just magically have WMD's without a source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted July 29, 2012 #21 Share Posted July 29, 2012 The Rebels are asking the West to help no they're only asking for no fly zone so the fight can be fair but even without it .. we don't need the west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted July 29, 2012 #22 Share Posted July 29, 2012 We are being told that Al Queda is well represented within the rebels. No one seems sure WHO is in charge and that even among the rebels there is no clear leader. I'm pretty sure that the reason Obama hasn't already involved the US is because he knows that once those weapons get used, it's ON..... And that means Russia could get involved too. No offense to you KoS but your country has nothing the west needs. There is almost no oil, the war has caused so much thirst for revenge between different groups there that an ongoing civil war is almost guaranteed no matter WHO wins. If it weren't for the potential danger of Israel becoming involved and causing a wider war in the region the US probably wouldn't be involved at all. I will admit that if Russia were not involved the west might meddle there as a way to weaken Iran. But no one is going to risk the chance for an "accidental" nuclear war over who owns Syria. ohh really .. i bet you don't reliaze that if syria let qatar gas exported to europe the russian gas will go downhill and no one will buy it no more since qatar oil is less expensive to extract and more easy therefore cheaper than russian gas therfore russian gas .. bye bye am sure your goverments keeps telling you quada and stuff as excuse not to do their duty toward a country that IS part of UN the free army is orgarnized .. it's formed by the original army defects got experince and few volunteers chosen carefully and it's all about israel isn't ? the west all it cares about israel well they better hope israel doesn't stick it's nose in our country to save this corrupted system but like i said really .. and then we never really expected the west to help they're punch of double standards countries who care about nothing but oil and greed .. or gas we never really care if they help or not in case you haven't noticed we are fighting russia , china , iran , hezboallah , syrian army , iraqis shiites mercenries and the west as it keeps covering up for the regim despite the loud statements .. no action however in any case we don't care about the west even if the whole world decided to fight us and stand on the system side we're gonna take our freedom with a boot on all of their noses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 29, 2012 Author #23 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I just searched to see how they obtained these chemical WMD's... All I am getting is that theories that it was form Iran or N.Korea and a conspiracy theory it was from Saddam... How come there is no actual answer? You don't just magically have WMD's without a source. Syria developed them I think no they're only asking for no fly zone so the fight can be fair but even without it .. we don't need the west Also weapons this was this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Shadows Posted July 29, 2012 #24 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Syria developed them I think Also weapons this was this morning not for free they want to " buy " weapons however i think the arabic countries beside turkey would do more than enough in that area after all they need anti-aircraft weapons because the system using aircraft to bomb civilian filled places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 29, 2012 Author #25 Share Posted July 29, 2012 not for free they want to " buy " weapons however i think the arabic countries beside turkey would do more than enough in that area after all they need anti-aircraft weapons because the system using aircraft to bomb civilian filled places Well turkey wants to set up a safe zone inside Syria, however I think Iran and Russia would think the West would act illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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