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National Socialism is not the same as, or a form of Socialism! Not at all.

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A name is not proof of anything. It was a Fascist organisation, which was Fascist in the Italian sense of the word - a state organized to advantage corporate interest. From the very start it set out to create a slave class to serves those corporate interests and this was the foundational basis of the network of concentration camps attached to favoured factories. Anyone who espoused any form of socialist views was rounded up and sent to concentration camps.

Do not try to re-write well know history to fit your distorted beliefs.

Br Cornelius

Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

I quote 'A radical authoritarian nationalist political ideolgy' and 'individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry and culture throught a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indocturnation, physical training and eugenics'

Wiki - http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Capitalism

I quote 'is an economic system that is based on private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods of services for profit. Competitive markets, wage labour, capital accumulation, voluntary exchange and personal finance are also considered capitalistic'

Conclusion - As we can see both are nothing to do with each other. Firstly one is an economic system and the other is a political ideology. Secondly totalitarianism is at odds with the private ownership of the means of production. The only attempt at rewriting things is coming from you. In your immature little world everything that doesnt fit in with what you want is fascism.

Now the nazis were national socialists. A union of extreme nationalism better known as fascism with socialism. When we look at the socialism we find vast numbers of state employees in Nazi Germany, social welfare programs, madatory parenting classes, a state social youth program. It was well and truely socialist.

The Nazi party were a Labour Party who were racist, xenophobic and imperialistic. They were not Conservative or capitalist. The Nazi Party would have been opposed to getting rid of an NHS.

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I'm going to take a wild guess here and guess that most folks are not of the notion that the NHS segment of the opening ceremony of the Olympics was propaganda aimed at the U.S.?

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Mr Right Wing man, you show a prefound misunderstanding of how capitalism and neoliberal economics actually plays out in the real world. The freedom of choice aspect and personal liberty aspect are mainly PR and window dressing. The world we live in today which is dominated by neoliberal economics has much more in common with Nazi germany than most people would like to believe. There is a reason and it has a lot to do with long term ties between the US administration and German politicians and industrialists. Research into opperation paperclip is very informative in this regard.

Giving things names is a science designed primarily to conceal purpose. Hence the "Wars of Liberation" which the Iraq's and Afgans have been subjected to.

Simple left-right dichotomies are just inadequate to capture the reality of the world we live in.

Br Cornelius

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Mr Right Wing man, you show a prefound misunderstanding of how capitalism and neoliberal economics actually plays out in the real world. The freedom of choice aspect and personal liberty aspect are mainly PR and window dressing. The world we live in today which is dominated by neoliberal economics has much more in common with Nazi germany than most people would like to believe. There is a reason and it has a lot to do with long term ties between the US administration and German politicians and industrialists. Research into opperation paperclip is very informative in this regard.

Giving things names is a science designed primarily to conceal purpose. Hence the "Wars of Liberation" which the Iraq's and Afgans have been subjected to.

Simple left-right dichotomies are just inadequate to capture the reality of the world we live in.

Br Cornelius

Oh I see

So first I dont know my stuff, then you event comments, then you event lies on the comments, then you threaten me with violance, then you call me a fascist and now you're rewriting Wiki.

Keep it up. You've not got any issues have you?

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so nazi germany was a lefty state hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah(breath)hahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha

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Oh I see

So first I dont know my stuff, then you event comments, then you event lies on the comments, then you threaten me with violance, then you call me a fascist and now you're rewriting Wiki.

Keep it up. You've not got any issues have you?

I invited you on a nice holiday ... if you call that a threat then I am confused :blush:

Have you noticed how your not getting much sympathy here ?

Br Cornelius

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so nazi germany was a lefty state hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah(breath)hahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha

A simple - lol would have saved all that time and breath !

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Oh I see

So first I dont know my stuff, then you event comments, then you event lies on the comments, then you threaten me with violance, then you call me a fascist and now you're rewriting Wiki.

Keep it up. You've not got any issues have you?

So much for an upper middle class education!

Edit...sorry to Mods for disobeying rules but felt it was necessary in this case :)

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so nazi germany was a lefty state hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah(breath)hahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha

Nazi Germany was a lefty state. The most extreme form of a lefty state. A government that has the power to give you everything (liberalism) also has the power to take it all away. That's the state Europe is dangerously close to, and one that most Americans are trying to stay away from. You people label the Tea Party as crazies, yet they know and understand the constitution better than most politicians.

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So much for an upper middle class education!

Edit...sorry to Mods for disobeying rules but felt it was necessary in this case :)

Right, because spelling and grammar skills have so much to do with what's being discussed here. Pathetic.

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Right, because spelling and grammar skills have so much to do with what's being discussed here. Pathetic.

The main protagonist in this debate stated he was upper middle class therefore should, one would have thought, been taught how to spell..

I dont think it is in the slightest bit pathetic.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. :)

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The main protagonist in this debate stated he was upper middle class therefore should, one would have thought, been taught how to spell..

I dont think it is in the slightest bit pathetic.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. :)

Am I though? In the same way the Mr Wing has been entitled to his? Regardless, this thread should be closed because of some of the things that have been said and/or suggested about him. It makes many of you look like brainwashed big government minions.

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Actually, if there was any point discussing this any longer, the Nazi system was a kind of 'totalitarian capitalism', and that was one of the things that hindered the German war effort, with numerous giant corporations (Henschel, Krauss Maffei, BMW, Daimler Benz, MAN, Messerschmitt, Focke Wulf, Heinkel, Junkers, Siemens etc, etc) competing for government contracts and all pushing their own versions of any project, something that was actively encouraged by Adolf hitler's 'divide and rule' policy so that no one organisation could become powerful enough to challenge him. Economically, it was very much a capitalist system.

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Am I though? In the same way the Mr Wing has been entitled to his? Regardless, this thread should be closed because of some of the things that have been said and/or suggested about him. It makes many of you look like brainwashed big government minions.

I wonder why people of your particular political outlook, who claim to be all about "Liberty" and the "land of the free" and all that stuff, are always so ready to describe anyone who does not share your particular political outlook as brianwashed minions. There doesn't seem much room for freedom and liberty in your world, it seems; it's either agree with me, or if you don't you're all brainwashed Minions. And then you insist that the thread should be Closed because no one seems to agree with you, apart from the person you are supporting. Once again, it seems, it's agree with me, or shut up.

:blush:

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I wonder why people of your particular political outlook, who claim to be all about "Liberty" and the "land of the free" and all that stuff, are always so ready to describe anyone who does not share your particular political outlook as brianwashed minions. There doesn't seem much room for freedom and liberty in your world, it seems; it's either agree with me, or if you don't you're all brainwashed Minions. And then you insist that the thread should be Closed because no one seems to agree with you, apart from the person you are supporting. Once again, it seems, it's agree with me, or shut up.

:blush:

Well, if you read my post, it says it should be closed because of how he has been treated thus far (because he doesn't agree with your beliefs). The media labels those of conservative views as crazy and the majority drink it all up without questioning what possible motives the media has (like funding, for one). This thread is strong evidence of that.

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China

Is neither here nor there because we talking about Germany. China, in any case, is predominantly State capitalist, with the govt. having at least a stake in most of the big corporations.

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Am I though? In the same way the Mr Wing has been entitled to his? Regardless, this thread should be closed because of some of the things that have been said and/or suggested about him. It makes many of you look like brainwashed big government minions.

If the mods thought that this thread should be closed, for any reason, they would have done so. Mr Right Wing is entitled to his opinions as much as anyone else here. It;s just that his opinions appear to be extremely right wing, This will leave him wide open to debate from those of us with differing opinions. For the record, I have always voted conservative but I dont like the type of things that have been suggested by Mr Right Wing.

The other thing regarding this particular thread is the way in which Mr Right Wing portrays himself. He seems to think he is far better than most and brags about tax avoidance etc. He appears to have been caught out by others here who seem to know more about tax than he does so not sure whether what he is posting is a wind up or what!

If you want to continue backing him up, then feel free to do so but please, dont call me pathetic. I have payed taxes all my life. I have never attempted to avoid paying them. Even now, when I am retired and living abroad I still pay tax on my pension.

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Is neither here nor there because we talking about Germany. China, in any case, is predominantly State capitalist, with the govt. having at least a stake in most of the big corporations.

The banks had the majority of influence in Germany just like the state ran China employs. It's the same effect. Just worded differently.

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Well, if you read my post, it says it should be closed because of how he has been treated thus far (because he doesn't agree with your beliefs). The media labels those of conservative views as crazy and the majority drink it all up without questioning what possible motives the media has (like funding, for one). This thread is strong evidence of that.

What this thread is evidence of is that Mr Right Wing holds an extremist right wing opinion which is not tolerated by most reasonable people. The public "drink it up" because it is the generally heald opinion that extreme views are not acceptable. If you find your self in a minority - is not not better to question why you are in that position rather than compaining at the majority.

Br Cornelius

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The banks had the majority of influence in Germany just like the state ran China employs. It's the same effect. Just worded differently.

And this is exactly why labeling either the Nazi state or the Chinese state as "socialist" just doesn't show a very good grasp on reality. These simple definitions are boxes which allow us not to really consider the reality of what is fundamentally just different flavours of the same thing. It serves the interest of those elites to have us thinking in such simple terms.

Br Cornelius

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What this thread is evidence of is that Mr Right Wing holds an extremist right wing opinion which is not tolerated by most reasonable people. The public "drink it up" because it is the generally heald opinion that extreme views are not acceptable. If you find your self in a minority - is not not better to question why you are in that position rather than compaining at the majority.

Br Cornelius

What are my extreme views you refer too? (and dont lie or makeup comments like before)

I have said -

1. The NHS should be privatised.

2. Other state owned enterprises which can be privitised should be.

3. Get rid of the minimum wage.

4. Protect the healthcare of the young, old and on benefits.

5. Limit positions at Uni and College to the number of job that will be available using each type of qualification.

The reasoning -

1. Private healthcare is cheaper than privatised healthcare and people also get a better service.

2. Private businesses are more productive, more efficient, more customer focused and cheaper.

3. The minimum wage drives up business costs which drives up consumer index inflation so everything becomes more expensive.

4. Limited and targeted socialism where actually needed.

5. Whats the point in producing 100,000 degree graduates a year if only 5000 jobs exist for them.?

Let me ask you if you believe in living in a country where the people have close to what would be called a true-democracy. One with the minimum interferance from the state, only the minimum actually needed laws, minimum taxes and the most possible freedoms without peoples rights getting effected?

or

If you believe in living in a country where the people have close to what would be called a dictatorship. One with the maximum interferance from the state, lots of laws to regulate all areas of peoples lives, high taxes to fund social programs and the least possible freedoms even if having such freedoms doesnt effect others lives?

Can you guess which one Nazi Germany was?

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And this is exactly why labeling either the Nazi state or the Chinese state as "socialist" just doesn't show a very good grasp on reality. These simple definitions are boxes which allow us not to really consider the reality of what is fundamentally just different flavours of the same thing. It serves the interest of those elites to have us thinking in such simple terms.

Br Cornelius

Its your grasp of reality thats the problem.

Nazi Germany was national socialist

China is socialist

Notice the national part is missing? Thats what makes the two states different from each other. Both were or are left-wing extremists however Germany combined it with fascism (extreme nationalism).

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The Conservative dream of a stateless country where the free hand of the market sorts out all problems is as fanatical as the theological dream of a perfect state, never been tried and never worked. Thats the problem with ideology - its perfect in your head but never works in reality.

Br Cornelius

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The Conservative dream of a stateless country where the free hand of the market sorts out all problems is as fanatical as the theological dream of a perfect state, never been tried and never worked. Thats the problem with ideology - its perfect in your head but never works in reality.

Br Cornelius

Answer the question - Do you believe in minimum freedoms, lots of regulations and laws controlling peoples lives and lots of social programs with high taxes to fund them? Do you believe it should be forced onto everyone else to suit the few? If they resist do you think its acceptable to send the heavies around and give them a corrective beating?

'The Conservative dream of a stateless country' what planet are you on? First we are fascists now we are anarchists. You're making a fool of yourself as anybody can see through you Mr Stalin.

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