Saru Posted July 29, 2012 #1 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Studies in to bird intelligence have suggested that birds are just as intelligent as young children. By pitting birds against boys and girls using tests inspired by the Aesop's fable in which a thirsty crow is able to drink from a pitcher after using pebbles to raise the water level to within its reach. Read more... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazoo Posted July 29, 2012 #2 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Just because birds have a naturally instinct towards a tool does not make them smart. Tool use is about adaptability. And they don't show that. Are birds smarter then 7 year olds because they know how to make a nest and kids don't? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jimmy Posted July 29, 2012 #3 Share Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Interesting. Dogs are considered to be at the same level like three or four year olds. But why not, some birds are really bright. Not too sure if they're smart as seven year old child, though. Edited July 29, 2012 by St. Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mule Posted July 29, 2012 #4 Share Posted July 29, 2012 New TV game show, are you smarter than a bird? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technocrat Posted July 29, 2012 #5 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Does this mean we can't use the expression, 'bird brain' anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzieboo Posted July 29, 2012 #6 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I know a whole family of people who aren't as smart as a bird's egg, let alone an adult bird. Seriously, though...it doesn't surprise me that we are starting to understand we're not the only intelligent species on this planet. I just hope that with each realization of the intelligence of other species, we lose at least a tiny bit of our arrogance. (Not holding my breath, though...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Chubb Posted July 29, 2012 #7 Share Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Studies in to bird intelligence have suggested that birds are just as intelligent as young children. Surely that is just sexist... Edited July 29, 2012 by Junior Chubb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlippySlug Posted July 30, 2012 #8 Share Posted July 30, 2012 There have been tons of experiments done to show avian intelligence. Corvids in particular. Crows have performed tasks involving tools that even some adults would have a hard time figuring out. Using one tool to obtain another tool used to unlock another tool to obtain a reward. It baffles my mind how they can figure that out. Their brain to body mass ratio is way towards the top of the animal kingdom. They may be smaller, but their brains work differently than that of a mammal. In the future it may be the edge needed for avian world domination. Even less intelligent birds like the pigeon have shown an amazing ability for remembering a large number of human faces. Chickens will learn from observation, and surely everyone has heard of the crows in Japan who crack nuts by dropping them into traffic. That's some darn fine adaptability. Birds are smart. Sometimes people don't give animals enough credit, and sometimes people give children too much credit. I bet if you gave both a chimp and a four year old child a box of crayons, the chimp would likely create something similar to Botticelli's Birth of Venus, and the child would likely end up with teeth full of colored wax. Those are just my thoughts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted July 30, 2012 #9 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I agree, we don't give animals enough credit for their intelligence and we give ourselves too much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKO Posted July 30, 2012 #10 Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) Here's a video of a crow not just using a tool but making one. Correct me if i'm wrong but I think this is the only evidence of a non-human making a tool. [media=] [/media] a laboratory crow named "Betty" improvised a hooked tool from a wire with no prior experience.[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_use_by_animals#Birds Edited July 30, 2012 by DKO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted July 30, 2012 #11 Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) I once saw a video of a horse picking up a long stick and then trying to scratch it's back with it. Edited July 30, 2012 by Spid3rCyd3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScioscia Posted July 31, 2012 #12 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I guess they're more smarter than the autistic 7 year olds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted July 31, 2012 #13 Share Posted July 31, 2012 This is one of the most amazing birds I've ever seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted July 31, 2012 #14 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) I guess they're more smarter than the autistic 7 year olds. Why must you mention children with autism?..I don't know enough about autism in children, but I sure as heck wouldn't find it smart to slam them... Edited July 31, 2012 by Beckys_Mom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMelsWell Posted July 31, 2012 #15 Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) So as someone who bred and raised birds, a LOT of them over the years, I can tell you that the accepted theory is that some breeds, can be as bright as a 4-7 year old child. However, heres the big "gotcha" while they might have cognitive ability of a 4 to 7 year old... they rarely have the emotional stability of more than about a 2 year old. Use your own deductive reasoning to imagine the kinds of problems that may present. Edited July 31, 2012 by MissMelsWell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Raven Posted July 31, 2012 #16 Share Posted July 31, 2012 i'd argue that crows (and ravens) are smarter then half the young kids in my neighbourhood >.< 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted July 31, 2012 #17 Share Posted July 31, 2012 i'd argue that crows (and ravens) are smarter then half the young kids in my neighbourhood >.< Same kids that won't stay off your lawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Raven Posted July 31, 2012 #18 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Same kids that won't stay off your lawn? the ones that egg my house for no reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Chubb Posted August 1, 2012 #19 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) the ones that egg my house for no reason They egg your house for no reason? You have got it easy... (http://www.unexplain...opic=230667&hl=) Edited August 1, 2012 by Junior Chubb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted August 1, 2012 #20 Share Posted August 1, 2012 the ones that egg my house for no reason Kids who do that want for you to come out and go mad at them... If you do not give them a reaction..it puts them off.... I know this, I used to play thunder and lightening as a kid - Knock on the door like thunder......and run like lightening .... I used to think it was fun when the person would come out to yell at us... IF they did not come out to yell......we never went back near them again... When I think back on the things we got up to as kids.. I face palm myself lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mule Posted August 1, 2012 #21 Share Posted August 1, 2012 i'd argue that crows (and ravens) are smarter then half the young kids in my neighbourhood >.< Apparently crows arent too smart, my little Jack Russell with his malformed little legs manages to kill them in my yard. He even got one when he was on a chain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Raven Posted August 1, 2012 #22 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) Kids who do that want for you to come out and go mad at them... If you do not give them a reaction..it puts them off.... I know this, I used to play thunder and lightening as a kid - Knock on the door like thunder......and run like lightening .... I used to think it was fun when the person would come out to yell at us... IF they did not come out to yell......we never went back near them again... When I think back on the things we got up to as kids.. I face palm myself lol they've done it over 12 times now. >.< the police say they can't do anything unless they catch them - and we're not allowed to aprehend them either >.< and it's not just my house; my friend is being hit and so are three other houses. my friend had a 12 pack of eggs smashed into the engine of his car - that cost a pretty penny getting that cleaned out >.< Apparently crows arent too smart, my little Jack Russell with his malformed little legs manages to kill them in my yard. He even got one when he was on a chain.... baby crows (and ravens) sneak up to dogs (and wolves and coyotes) and pulls hair out of their bodies. they do this to test how quick a dog's reaction time is - so they can safely eat from the same kill, etc. usually, dogs that catch crows, are catching the slow crows (weeding out the unfit ones). sounds harsh, but reality is harsh :S Edited August 1, 2012 by Bavarian Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckys_Mom Posted August 1, 2012 #23 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) they've done it over 12 times now. >.< the police say they can't do anything unless they catch them - and we're not allowed to aprehend them either >.< and it's not just my house; my friend is being hit and so are three other houses. my friend had a 12 pack of eggs smashed into the engine of his car - that cost a pretty penny getting that cleaned out >.< You and your friend should gather a lot of rotten eggs...Wait on the kids...When they are sneaking up to egg your house, you two ambush them with the rotten eggs lol Joking aside...It is a shame they say you cannot apprehend them...but see the thing with apprehending them is too much agro involved... Get security cameras..that will take footage of them egging your property and then show it to the police... Edited August 1, 2012 by Beckys_Mom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted August 2, 2012 #24 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) the ones that egg my house for no reason Hire bigger kids to beat up those kids? Edited August 2, 2012 by Spid3rCyd3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted August 4, 2012 #25 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Why must you mention children with autism?..I don't know enough about autism in children, but I sure as heck wouldn't find it smart to slam them... Just to add to this, one in ten autistic children can display aspects of Savantism. Developmental delays in autistic children should not be viewed detrimentally, a lack of social skills can be just one of the aspects of the disorder - it has nothing to do with intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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