RaptorBites Posted September 30, 2012 #726 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) At this point, I will wait for BR to respond to my analysis of the Ross and Furlong paper. He has been hammering about it for quite some time as proof of controlled demolition, and I have taken the time to look into it and form up some theory of the missing 14 and 17 second anomaly. The redirect to talking about gravitational collapse is better kept on the Talking Turkey discussion found here : http://www.unexplain...c=229776&st=435 Also, if anyone would like to read my crude analysis of the Ross and Furlong paper and would like to make any corrections. Please let me know. http://www.unexplain...75#entry4479646 specifically in this entry: FAA radar uses ground to air signals that employs a directional antenna that rotates on a vertical axis from anywhere between 5-120 seconds per sweep. So when the FAA identifies a crash or loss of an airplane, it takes the crash time based on the last sweep's location to when the phosphorus bleep disappears at the next sweep. This can lead into the discrepancy of the exact time when the airplane is considered lost by the FAA (commission). Which maybe where the discrepancy of when the seismic activity was recorded (based on an atomic clock timestamp) and the actual crash times of both planes. Am I correct on that? So if my assumption is correct, and again I am no expert in reading seismic graphics nor an expert in radar, Ross and Furlong may be incorrect in claiming the crash times for both airlines are both unquestionable and highly credible as the crash times reported by the FAA are reported when the bleeps actually disappear off radar and not when the crashed actually happened. Which may explain the 14 second and 17 second discrepancy. Thanks Edited September 30, 2012 by RaptorBites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted September 30, 2012 #727 Share Posted September 30, 2012 And once again, BR tell us by his own words and "logic" that nothing he says should be looked upon as reliable or believable since by his own posts he is a known liar. Cz Nothing to do with MY credibility Cz, but everything about yours. Or, are you claiming that IT IS a rational act to place one's faith in the statements of known liars? Or, perhaps you are claiming that Dick, Dubya, Colin et al are truth tellers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted September 30, 2012 #728 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Nothing to do with MY credibility Cz, but everything about yours. Cz wasn't the person who claimed that no Boeing crashed at the Pentagon and Shanksville, and additionally, you knowingly made statements that no Boeing crashed at the Pentagon and Shanksville despite the fact that you knew that B-757 wreckage was recovered at the Pentagon and Shanksville. You knowingly posted that no one saw a Boeing at the Shanksville crash site despite the fact that recovery crews and coroner Wally Miller confirmed the crash site as that of United 93. Add to the fact that United Airlines confirmed the loss of United 93, and yet, you continue to claim that no Boeing crashed at Shanksville. You knowingly posted that no Boeing crashed at the Pentagon despite overwhelming physical and photo evidence and the announcement by American Airlines confirming the loss of American 77 and yet, you continue to post that no Boeing crashed at the Pentagon. Edited September 30, 2012 by skyeagle409 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorBites Posted September 30, 2012 #729 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Nothing to do with MY credibility Cz, but everything about yours. Or, are you claiming that IT IS a rational act to place one's faith in the statements of known liars? Or, perhaps you are claiming that Dick, Dubya, Colin et al are truth tellers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czero 101 Posted September 30, 2012 #730 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Nothing to do with MY credibility Cz, but everything about yours. Or, are you claiming that IT IS a rational act to place one's faith in the statements of known liars? Or, perhaps you are claiming that Dick, Dubya, Colin et al are truth tellers? Nice dodge... You are the one who constantly brings up "Dick, Dubya, Colin et al" as if they actually mean anything or are more than just another in an ever lengthening line of red herrings that seem to be the only thing other than outright fabrications you have edver been able to bring to this discussion. I am not claiming anything about "Dick, Dubya, Colin et al". I am stating as a known and proven fact that you are a liar, that you have proven to everyone here by your own posts that you are a liar and that based also on your own posts nothing you say should be or can be taken as believable. No, BR... it IS about your credibility, or rather, the complete and utter lack thereof. Cz Edited September 30, 2012 by Czero 101 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted October 1, 2012 #731 Share Posted October 1, 2012 So, does that mean that you DO consider it a rational act to place great faith in the testimony of men and institutions with a pattern of behavior known as "deceptive'? Why do I feel like I'm pulling teeth here, just getting a straight answer? Any cop or lawyer will tell you that a case to be presented to a jury must get reasonably close to the truth. Using liars as witnesses is a recipe for disaster, or at least a failed case. The same outfit who brought us Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, Weapons of Mass Distraction and other false accounts are who YOU must rely upon to make your case here. Just saying "I made my case", or "I debunked this or that" does not make it a fact. The role of the jury is to judge facts and laws. Facts must be proveable, not merely stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted October 1, 2012 #732 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Cops only want to build a case with the questions they ask you, they want to make a case, never prove the truth. Lawyers will lie to win their version of the truth. So, neither are very applicable examples of 'getting close to the truth'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 1, 2012 #733 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Facts must be proveable, not merely stated. ... ...... Is that your honest opinion BR? Would you like to put your claims to this test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted October 1, 2012 #734 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Absolutely Boo. Where would you like to start? Not that we haven't been through this somehow, before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredimus Posted October 1, 2012 #735 Share Posted October 1, 2012 So, does that mean that you DO consider it a rational act to place great faith in the testimony of men and institutions with a pattern of behavior known as "deceptive'? Why do I feel like I'm pulling teeth here, just getting a straight answer? Any cop or lawyer will tell you that a case to be presented to a jury must get reasonably close to the truth. Using liars as witnesses is a recipe for disaster, or at least a failed case. The same outfit who brought us Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, Weapons of Mass Distraction and other false accounts are who YOU must rely upon to make your case here. Just saying "I made my case", or "I debunked this or that" does not make it a fact. The role of the jury is to judge facts and laws. Facts must be proveable, not merely stated. So, based on your recent statements... are we to believe that the following list of Companies, Firms, Government Departments and independants are all liars and are decieving us? : 1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene 40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero 55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York 7,000+ FBI Agents 8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon ACE Bermuda Insurance AEMC Construction AIG Insurance Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue Allianz Global Risks American Airlines American Concrete Institute American Institute of Steel Construction American Red Cross Applied Biosystems Inc. Applied Research Associates Arlington County Emergency Medical Services Arlington County Fire Department Arlington County Sheriff's Department Arlington VA Police Department Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee ARUP USA Atlantic Heydt Inc. Bechtel Berlin Fire Department Big Apple Wrecking Blanford & Co. Bode Technology Group Bovis Inc. Building and Construction Trades Council Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept. California Incident Management Team Carter Burgess Engineering Celera Genomics Centers for Disease Control Central City Fire Department Central Intelligence Agency Cleveland Airport control tower Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee Consolidated Edison Company Construction Technologies Laboratory Controlled Demolitions Inc. Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat Counterterrorism and Security Group CTL Engineering D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc. DeSimone Consulting Engineers Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners DiSalvo Ericson Engineering District of Columbia Fire & Rescue DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon D'Onofrio Construction E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews Edwards and Kelcey Engineering Engineering Systems, Inc. Environmental protection Agency Exponent Failure Analysis Associates EYP Mission CriticalFacilities Fairfax County Fire & Rescue Falcon 20 crew in PA Family members who received calls from victims on the planes FBI Evidence Recovery Teams Federal Aviation Administration Federal Bureau of Investigation Federal Emergency Management Agency Federal Insurance Co. FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1 FEMA Disaster Field Office FEMA Emergency Response Team FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3 Fire Department of New York Fort Myer Fire Department French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force Friedens Volunteer Fire Department Gateway Demolition Gene Code Forensics Georgia Tech Engineering Dept. Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP GMAC Financing Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers Guy Nordenson Associates HAKS Engineers Hampton-Clarke Inc. HHS National Medical Response Team HLW International Engineering Hooversville Rescue Squad. Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department Hoy Structural Services Hughes Associates, Inc Hugo Neu Schnitzer East hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives Industrial Risk Insurers Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems International Association of Fire Chiefs International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15 J.R. Harris & Company Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc. KCE Structural Engineers Koch Skanska Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates Laboratory Corp. of America Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Leslie E. Robertson Associates LIRo Engineering Listie Volunteer Fire Company Lockwood Consulting M.G. McLaren Engineering Masonry Society Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc. Metal Management Northeast Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team Montgomery County Fire & Rescue Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers Murray Engineering Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc. National Center for Biotechnology Informatics National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States National Council of Structural Engineers Associations National Disaster Medical System National Emergency Numbering Association National Fire Protection Association National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute National Law Enforcement and Security Institute National Military Command Center National Reconnaissance Office National Response Center National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems National Security Agency National Transportation Safety Board National Wrecking Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center New Jersey State Police New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force New York City Department of Design and Construction New York City Department of Environmental Protection New York City Office of Emergency Management New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner New York City Police Department Aviation Unit New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit New York Daily News New York Flight Control Center New York Newsday New York Port Authority Construction Board New York Port Authority Police New York State Emergency Management Office New York State Police Forensic Services New York Times North American Aerospace Defense Command Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs Numerous Forensic Anthropologists Numerous Forensic Dentists Numerous Forensic Pathologists Numerous Forensic Radiologists NuStats Occupational Safety and Health Administration Office of Emergency Preparedness Office of Strategic Services Orchid Cellmark Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association Pennsylvania State Police Pentagon Defense Protective Service Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team Pentagon Medical Staff Pentagon Renovation Team Phillips & Jordan, Inc. Port of New York and New Jersey Authority Pro-Safety Services Protec Public Entity Risk Institute Purdue University Engineering Dept. Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams Salvation Army Disaster Services several EPA Hazmat Teams several FBI Hazmat Teams several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams Severud Associates Consulting Engineers Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company Silverstein Properties Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire Society of Fire Protection Engineers Somerset Ambulance Association Somerset County Coroner's Office Somerset County Emergency Management Agency Somerset Volunteer Fire Department St. Paul/Travelers Insurance State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE) Structural Engineers Association of New York Superstructures Engineering Swiss Re America Insurance Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes Teng & Associates Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc. TIG Insurance Tokio Marine & Fire Transportation Safety Administration Tully Construction Twin City Fire Insurance Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Underwriters Laboratories Union Wrecking United Airlines United States Air National Guard United States Fire Administration United States Secret Service United Steelworkers of America University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command US Department of Defense US Department of Justice US Department of State Virginia Beach Fire Department Virginia Department of Emergency Management Virginia State Police Vollmer Associates Engineers Washington Post Weeks Marine Weidlinger Associates Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency Whitney Contracting Willis Group Holdings WJE Structural Engineers Worcester Polytechnic Institute World Trade Center security staff XL Insurance Yonkers Contracting York International Zurich Financial Zurich Re Risk Engineering Because thats the list of those involved in investigating and cleanup of the wreckage sites and world trade center sites... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted October 1, 2012 #736 Share Posted October 1, 2012 The same outfit who brought us Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, Weapons of Mass Distraction and other false accounts are who YOU must rely upon to make your case here. You use references from individuals and websites that are notorious for spreading disinformation, misinformation, and lies, so what is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted October 1, 2012 #737 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Nice listing Dred, but no, that's not what I'm saying. You hit a few of them in that list, but I'm in no position to judge companies I know nothing about. You did mention Underwriters Labs, which had a unique problem early on, which I'm sure you're familiar with. Their employee Kevin Ryan stated the obvious very early in the game--the fires in the towers were insufficient in temperature and duration to have weakened steel that met the fire and building code. Ryan was called on the carpet, but unlike Wally Miller refused to be muzzled. As a result he was fired. So, the record is clear that the COMPANY ITSELF did indeed do the government's dirty work in deceiving the public and getting the coverup going. Just like AT & Treason did its dirty work for the NSA with illegal interceptions through a San Francisco office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted October 1, 2012 #738 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) Their employee Kevin Ryan stated the obvious very early in the game--the fires in the towers were insufficient in temperature... Either he was lying or mistaken. Take your pick because data shows the temperatures were sufficient enough to weaken steel. Edited October 1, 2012 by skyeagle409 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted October 1, 2012 #739 Share Posted October 1, 2012 No Sky, he was telling the bloody obvious truth, and he worked for the company. Even a layman, even a caveman, can understand the purpose of building codes, Good Grief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted October 1, 2012 #740 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) No Sky, he was telling the bloody obvious truth, and he worked for the company. Even a layman, even a caveman, can understand the purpose of building codes, Good Grief! Even a caveman could see that he is either mistaken or lying. And don't forget, you claimed molten steel in the rubble and flowing from the WTC building and you even threw in a nuke as well. Even a caveman can see through your deception routine. Edited October 1, 2012 by skyeagle409 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted October 2, 2012 #741 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Are we done talking about Ross and Furlong's paper regarding seismic activity prior to the reported plane crash into the building? The only reason why I ask is that you are now diverting your attention to my answer regarding the heat under the rubble. Are you willing to get into the debate about my analysis on the subject of the seismic activity or are you now backing up from that debate...... Please tell me I did not waste a good hour of my time looking into that paper only for you to sit there and say that mere seconds is trivial in the bigger picture. If you want to call my analysis a red herring, then the ploy of using ross and furlong's paper in itself is a red herring. Are you willing to contact them to let them know that their analysis is fruitless and in itself a red herring? I think I'm a little out of sequence on the posts here Raptor, and maybe I missed a response of yours. My understanding of your position on the Ross & Furlong piece is that you say there MIGHT be a problem with the time measurement they used because of the time delay produced inherently by the radar sweep. That is, the precise time of impact cannot be known because there are limitations on the accuracy of the radar data, which is the data they used, having taken it from the official record. If I have understood your position, I would appreciate confirmation, even by PM if you wish. The point is that IF their analysis turns out to be true and accurate, THEN it corroborates the Rodriguez testimony, AND the events were staged. If it turns out that (can we ever know?) the radar sweep and data just HAPPENED to be precise and accurate, then your point becomes moot it seems. What's at play is the same as the work done by CIT regarding the path of the low level Boeing relative to the notorious Citgo gas station. IF that testimony is true and accurate, THEN the official story about the Pentagon is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted October 2, 2012 #742 Share Posted October 2, 2012 IF that testimony is true and accurate, THEN the official story about the Pentagon is impossible. Apparently not considering there is no evidence that supports a government conspiracy nor your claims.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorBites Posted October 2, 2012 #743 Share Posted October 2, 2012 I think I'm a little out of sequence on the posts here Raptor, and maybe I missed a response of yours. My understanding of your position on the Ross & Furlong piece is that you say there MIGHT be a problem with the time measurement they used because of the time delay produced inherently by the radar sweep. That is, the precise time of impact cannot be known because there are limitations on the accuracy of the radar data, which is the data they used, having taken it from the official record. If I have understood your position, I would appreciate confirmation, even by PM if you wish. That is exactly what I am saying. The biggest part of it, is that Ross and Furlong both state that the timing is unquestionable and highly credible. UNQUESTIONABLE AND HIGHLY CREDIBLE. So, be that as it may, we are to believe that Ross and Furlong, are both capable of making such a statement without ever having to take into account that there may be some sort of discrepancy within the times by FAA due to the radar sweep. I would definately like to know their experience with FAA crash times recognition. The point is that IF their analysis turns out to be true and accurate, THEN it corroborates the Rodriguez testimony, AND the events were staged. Are you able to make that determination that the results were accurate? If it turns out that (can we ever know?) the radar sweep and data just HAPPENED to be precise and accurate, then your point becomes moot it seems. Then if it was found to be not accurate, then your point becomes moot as well. What's at play is the same as the work done by CIT regarding the path of the low level Boeing relative to the notorious Citgo gas station. Let us not talk about another subject. IF that testimony is true and accurate, THEN the official story about the Pentagon is impossible. See above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted October 2, 2012 #744 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Its actually becoming a Comedy ! THe BR 911 tale of what actually didnt Happen. I`ll put A Hundred Dollars on the Fact that They will never make a Movie about the Almost Infamous BR ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 2, 2012 #745 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Its actually becoming a Comedy ! THe BR 911 tale of what actually didnt Happen. I`ll put A Hundred Dollars on the Fact that They will never make a Movie about the Almost Infamous BR ! I've already made a movie short of sorts... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted October 3, 2012 #746 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) The point is that IF their analysis turns out to be true and accurate, THEN it corroborates the Rodriguez testimony, AND the events were staged. I guess you were unaware that Rodriguez's testimony has been debunked and he can no longer be considered credible. Debunking William Rodriguez “Truthers” often use the accounts given by William Rodriguez to “prove” their assertions that the WTC was brought down by controlled demolition. However, the problem with that, as we see here, is that William Rodriguez has changed his story more times than most people change their underwear. This quote from here “Truth” Movements position: “William Rodriguez says he heard an explosion at the WTC “just seconds before” the plane hit. http://truthersaresa...liam-rodriguez/ What's at play is the same as the work done by CIT regarding the path of the low level Boeing relative to the notorious Citgo gas station. Let me get this straight, are you embracing the story that the Boeing passed north of the gas station after telling us that no Boeing was involved? It so, then you are doing an awkward version of Michael Jackson's "Moon Walk," or should I say, back-stepping. Edited October 3, 2012 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted October 3, 2012 #747 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) I've already made a movie short of sorts... Careful boony ! Looks like the sensor police are looking for us ! As for the 911 CT thread ! I wouldnt care If it was sent to Mars to help fill in the Gail crater ! THeres that much of it ! Edited October 3, 2012 by DONTEATUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted October 3, 2012 #748 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Thanks Raptor. Though we don't agree for the most part, it seems to me you are the straightest shooter in the OCT crowd. Like you and me, Ross & Furlong are mere mortals. That they do not understand, or choose to ignore, the fine point you bring up about the potential lag time for radar data, is beyond my control. Their claim that it is unquestionable is clearly wrong. But the question is, WHERE do we begin? Which implies that IF the radar data is good enough, reliable enough, for the 911 Commission, then it is good enough for their analysis. In any rational public dialogue, there must be some sort of starting point. For their analysis, where else to start? What else to use? And the other part of the equation is that by random chance, it is possible that the time cited happened to be as precise as could be, by sheer happenstance on the timing of the radar sweep. So we are basically down to a coin toss here, as to whether it is precisely accurate or not. So I am agreeing with you that IT IS POSSIBLE that the error and time delay works against accurate analysis. But there are other factors too. Besides the seismic data they cite, there are a number of fellow employees who corroborate Rodriguez' testimony. And that fact tends to support the conclusions of Ross & Furlong. And all the other circumstantial evidence that suggests explosives and thermite were in use that day. And with your permission, we could discuss the fatal flaw to the Pentagon story, the Citgo witnesses, on some other thread that you might consider appropriate. Or, in sequence, if you consider our agreement on your point to be satisfactory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted October 3, 2012 #749 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Thanks Raptor. Though we don't agree for the most part, it seems to me you are the straightest shooter in the OCT crowd. Like you and me, Ross & Furlong are mere mortals. That they do not understand, or choose to ignore, the fine point you bring up about the potential lag time for radar data, is beyond my control. Their claim that it is unquestionable is clearly wrong. But the question is, WHERE do we begin? Which implies that IF the radar data is good enough, reliable enough, for the 911 Commission, then it is good enough for their analysis. In any rational public dialogue, there must be some sort of starting point. For their analysis, where else to start? What else to use? And the other part of the equation is that by random chance, it is possible that the time cited happened to be as precise as could be, by sheer happenstance on the timing of the radar sweep. So we are basically down to a coin toss here, as to whether it is precisely accurate or not. So I am agreeing with you that IT IS POSSIBLE that the error and time delay works against accurate analysis. But there are other factors too. Besides the seismic data they cite, there are a number of fellow employees who corroborate Rodriguez' testimony. And that fact tends to support the conclusions of Ross & Furlong. And all the other circumstantial evidence that suggests explosives and thermite were in use that day. Demolition experts, recovery crews and investigators found no evidence of explosives nor thermite usage. And with your permission, we could discuss the fatal flaw to the Pentagon story, the Citgo witnesses,... Physical damage do not support witnesses who claimed that American 77 passed north of the Pentagon. In fact, direct physical evidence inside and outside the Pentagon disproves claims that American 77 passed north of the gas station. There are no downed light poles north of the gas station which is another indication that American 77 did not pass north of the gas station. Edited October 3, 2012 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 4, 2012 #750 Share Posted October 4, 2012 What are your thoughts America? Here are some very recent thoughts picked from the web about 911 and several prominent, yet untimely deaths that occurred just within the last couple of weeks: Things that make you go hhhmmmmmmmmmm…..? ‘He said he wanted to expose something at work’ In his $5 million mansion, Robert McKeon, head of private equity firm, Veritas Capital, commits suicide by strangling himself. Strangling himself??????? Awhile later, the news reports or claims that Albert Peterson, a wealthy defense contractor, formerly with Northrop Grumman, and presently employed as a Senior Subcontracts Administrator with BAE Systems Information Technology, murdered his wife and children, then turned his gun on himself, committing suicide. A terrible tragedy, and the news reports further claimed Mr. Peterson was supposed to have committed those horrific acts because he was afraid President Obama would be reelected! Because he was afraid President Obama would be reelected????????????? One enterprising journalist actually did report that the now-deceased Mrs. Peterson had mentioned to a co-worker at defense contractor, Blackbird Technologies, where she worked, that her husband was troubled by something he had learned at BAE which he was seriously concerned about. Albert Peterson had been involved with a BAE unit which a few years previously had been owned by Veritas Capital, then later sold to BAE. It should be noted that Robert McKeon’s Veritas Capital had made some extremely fortuitous investments in the defense industry shortly prior to 9/11/01. Some months prior to 9/11, Veritas Capital had also purchased Raytheon Aerospace, a subsidiary of Raytheon. Aboard several of those four ill-fated airliners on 9/11/01 were developers of remote piloting hardware/software from Veritas Capital’s Raytheon Aerospace, and several similar subcontractors (from BAE, I believe). Sounds more like a brutal cleanup crew was active --- cleansing a possible leak of a probably innocent man and his family, and the private equity principal of a highly profitable operation eleven years earlier. (While it may be the only actual coincidence here, it should also be noted that several years ago --- or the last time we checked --- the majority shareholders in Northrop Grumman were James Baker and the Bush family.) Things that make you go hhhmmmmmmmmmm…..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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