Tiggs Posted August 12, 2012 #101 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Whatever Tiggs. Since you're a moderator, how about you just sign on as me and make up all my posts for me because what you're doing here is no different. You're just looking to squabble. I'm restating your argument to show you how ridiculous it is, because you're apparently unaware. If you're not ready for people to disagree with you, then perhaps discussion boards aren't for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted August 12, 2012 #102 Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) I'm restating your argument to show you how ridiculous it is, because you're apparently unaware. If you're not ready for people to disagree with you, then perhaps discussion boards aren't for you. Discussing with you is like discussing things with a brick wall. We get no where and never agree and I feel you twist my words into your liking. I get better results talking to my dog and I'll bet you feel the same. If it was purely an internal matter for the United States then I might agree with you. As it is the failure of the US to manage its economy will have profound implications for every citizen on the planet. As such it is not just a matter for internal debate. Unfortunately the US chose to establish a world spanning empire - that makes it all our business to be concerned about America. Br Cornelius Fine, I expected that. Whose got more issues? The country that supported the world or the world that depended on it? If your country is going to suffer because of our problems why don't your country do something about it besides bltch and moan at us? You sound like the people here who pay no taxes yelling at the rich for not paying enough. How about you stop depending on us and solve your own problems? What else can I say... Edited August 12, 2012 by Is it for real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2012 #103 Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) Fine, I expected that. Whose got more issues? The country that supported the world or the world that depended on it? If your country is going to suffer because of our problems why don't your country do something about it besides bltch and moan at us? You sound like the people here who pay no taxes yelling at the rich for not paying enough. How about you stop depending on us and solve your own problems? What else can I say... Empires do not colonize the subject nations for their own good - the colonizer always gains materially by the act of colonization. As such it is dubious in the extreme to claim that we are dependent on you - we are exploited by you for your own benefit. It was always thus with Empires - and I should have some awareness been a citizen of one of the most exploitative Empires in History (British incase you hadn't guessed). Unfortunately my current home country, Ireland, has suffered greatly from following the American Economic model and making itself overly dependent on American largess. I personally will suffer greatly as a consequence. Your perspective is all twisted. Br Cornelius Edited August 12, 2012 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted August 12, 2012 #104 Share Posted August 12, 2012 To each his own I guess. Let's get back to France since this thread is about them anyway. 75% tax rate! Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2012 #105 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I must say - a 75% tax rate seems stupid to me. Strict enforcement of a moderate progressive tax regime would be far more effective. Its all the loopholes which are the real problem. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted August 12, 2012 #106 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I must say - a 75% tax rate seems stupid to me. Strict enforcement of a moderate progressive tax regime would be far more effective. Its all the loopholes which are the real problem. Br Cornelius The problem is that Hollande has to make good on the things he promised. Evidently he can't save mismanaged companies from firing employees (as promised) nor can he stop rampant monetary speculation (as promised) but he can resort to the cheap shot: monster taxes for the rich. And everybody will think that he achieved something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf0852 Posted August 12, 2012 #107 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Discussing with you is like discussing things with a brick wall. We get no where and never agree and I feel you twist my words into your liking. I get better results talking to my dog and I'll bet you feel the same. Fine, I expected that. Whose got more issues? The country that supported the world or the world that depended on it? If your country is going to suffer because of our problems why don't your country do something about it besides bltch and moan at us? You sound like the people here who pay no taxes yelling at the rich for not paying enough. How about you stop depending on us and solve your own problems? What else can I say... i know exactly what you mean here it is our fault for getting wrapped up with the usa to start with.i firmly believe that europe should be going along the lines of south america and attempting to pay off our depts to the imf and forming a european socialist collective that has minimal trade and military links with the usa . that is were the future of europe lies in my opinion and the sooner the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf0852 Posted August 12, 2012 #108 Share Posted August 12, 2012 To each his own I guess. Let's get back to France since this thread is about them anyway. 75% tax rate! Good luck. 75% tax is an utter disgrace i know some of you will be supprised to see me post that but it is honestly what i believe. i also think there shouldnt be a threshold as such for a higher tax band it should rise gradualy dependent on income up to an absolute limit of around 55%. taxation on everyday items should be scrapped altogether and raised on luxury goods to about 35%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted August 12, 2012 #109 Share Posted August 12, 2012 To each his own I guess. Let's get back to France since this thread is about them anyway. 75% tax rate! Good luck. Hopefully those French rich people will move here to the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted August 12, 2012 #110 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Discussing with you is like discussing things with a brick wall. We get no where and never agree and I feel you twist my words into your liking. I get better results talking to my dog and I'll bet you feel the same. We're never likely to agree. I'm an old-school Left-Libertarian. What we have in common is our dislike of big governments. What we disagree on is what big government actually looks like. I'm never going to agree with any position that advocates Social Darwinism - that a person's life or death should be dictated by the amount of money that they have - and which is the foundation of your political position. In the context of this thread - while, for example, I think that 75% is an excessive amount of taxation to be charged - if the alternative is taxing the lower classes so that even more people slip into poverty - then I'm going to stand in defense of the poor, every time, because the consequences to society of thousands more people sliding in poverty are much more severe than someone only being able to afford the 180 foot yacht this year, instead of the 250 foot yacht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted August 12, 2012 #111 Share Posted August 12, 2012 We're never likely to agree. I'm an old-school Left-Libertarian. What we have in common is our dislike of big governments. What we disagree on is what big government actually looks like. I'm never going to agree with any position that advocates Social Darwinism - that a person's life or death should be dictated by the amount of money that they have - and which is the foundation of your political position. In the context of this thread - while, for example, I think that 75% is an excessive amount of taxation to be charged - if the alternative is taxing the lower classes so that even more people slip into poverty - then I'm going to stand in defense of the poor, every time, because the consequences to society of thousands more people sliding in poverty are much more severe than someone only being able to afford the 180 foot yacht this year, instead of the 250 foot yacht. Your gripe is with the uber rich apparently. While $1.25M is nothing to sneeze at, a 75% tax rate on them is nuts and a earning $1M a year isn't putting you in the mega yacht club. Yachts maybe, but more like house boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted August 12, 2012 #112 Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) We're never likely to agree. I'm an old-school Left-Libertarian. What we have in common is our dislike of big governments. What we disagree on is what big government actually looks like. I'm never going to agree with any position that advocates Social Darwinism - that a person's life or death should be dictated by the amount of money that they have - and which is the foundation of your political position. Well, I am as conservative as they come (no, please don't confuse me with a reactionary who are trying to pass as conservative lately) and I can't find any value in social Darwinism either, especially not then when it is the vast majority that falls under the wheels of unbracketed capitalism. That just leads to social unrest and there is nothing less becoming business than social unrest. The problem is that there are some who evidently are trying to turn back the clocks to a "wonderful time" that never existed when the world was all rich (yeh, right) and a six shooter solved all social problems. And they are more dangerous to the country as any communist, socialist or anarchist can ever be because they are breaking it apart. Edited August 12, 2012 by questionmark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted August 12, 2012 #113 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Your gripe is with the uber rich apparently. While $1.25M is nothing to sneeze at, a 75% tax rate on them is nuts and a earning $1M a year isn't putting you in the mega yacht club. Yachts maybe, but more like house boats. My gripe is with anyone that earns enough to have a luxurious lifestyle and would happily see thousands of others slide into poverty to sustain that. Yacht's may have been overstating the position - though, certainly, the uber rich will also be included in that Tax band. Let's go with vacation houses, instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted August 12, 2012 #114 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Well, I am as conservative as they come (no, please don't confuse me with a reactionary who are trying to pass as conservative lately) and I can't find any value in social Darwinism either, especially not then when it is the vast majority that falls under the wheels of unbracketed capitalism. That just leads to social unrest and there is nothing less becoming business than social unrest. The problem is that there are some who evidently are trying to turn back the clocks to a "wonderful time" that never existed when the world was all rich (yeh, right) and a six shooter solved all social problems. And they are more dangerous to the country as any communist, socialist or anarchist can ever be because they are breaking it apart. American Conservatism isn't what it used to be, sadly. American politics today is basically a replay of the Civil War - the argument between Federal Power and States Power. Those that are on the side of State power are trying to dismantle the branches of Federal Government and do so because they want to rule the States as they see fit with no Federal oversight to tell them what they can and can't do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted August 12, 2012 #115 Share Posted August 12, 2012 American Conservatism isn't what it used to be, sadly. American politics today is basically a replay of the Civil War - the argument between Federal Power and States Power. Those that are on the side of State power are trying to dismantle the branches of Federal Government and do so because they want to rule the States as they see fit with no Federal oversight to tell them what they can and can't do. And that is how 50 new nations are created, as the history of the world tells us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted August 12, 2012 #116 Share Posted August 12, 2012 My gripe is with anyone that earns enough to have a luxurious lifestyle and would happily see thousands of others slide into poverty to sustain that. Yacht's may have been overstating the position - though, certainly, the uber rich will also be included in that Tax band. Let's go with vacation houses, instead. If you earn €1 million a year its simply ridiculas that your take home pay should be €250k. It says to the high earners why bother beyond a certain limit because you arent working, or your business isnt earning, for your benefit. What is happening in France is that those who earn a lot are being punished because of corrupt bankers. It isnt fair on them and they will surely jump ship to the UK and Germany. A 75% tax rate is Marxismin in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted August 12, 2012 #117 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I don't think that us Marxism in disguise. I think the hat and glasses have clearly been removed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2012 #118 Share Posted August 12, 2012 He's an old school socialist - there's a subtle difference. This is the same brand of socialism which allowed Margaret Thatcher to rise to power. Its all a bit stupid and short sighted really. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted August 12, 2012 #119 Share Posted August 12, 2012 If you earn €1 million a year its simply ridiculas that your take home pay should be €250k. Yes it is. The entire concept of tax bands is totally over your head, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted August 12, 2012 #120 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I don't think that us Marxism in disguise. I think the hat and glasses have clearly been removed. Right. Because Nixon with his 70% top-tier tax was obviously a Marxist, too. Eisenhower with his 91% Tax Rate was obviously just Stalin without the 'tache. Reagan and his 50% tax? Obvious Communist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf0852 Posted August 12, 2012 #121 Share Posted August 12, 2012 If you earn €1 million a year its simply ridiculas that your take home pay should be €250k. It says to the high earners why bother beyond a certain limit because you arent working, or your business isnt earning, for your benefit. What is happening in France is that those who earn a lot are being punished because of corrupt bankers. It isnt fair on them and they will surely jump ship to the UK and Germany. A 75% tax rate is Marxismin in disguise. that isnt how the tax system works there is a level were you pay the same as everyone else then you hit a threshold and the rate rises.if you paid tax you would know this,.but i get the point you are makeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted August 12, 2012 #122 Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) that isnt how the tax system works there is a level were you pay the same as everyone else then you hit a threshold and the rate rises.if you paid tax you would know this,.but i get the point you are makeing. I think high earners should be on 5% income tax. A financial transactions tax of 80% should apply to people moving money out of the country. For such a tax to work an economy needs to move away from banking and services. The tax would ensure that those who earn loads spend it in their country so the society benefits from the capital being put back into the system. Edited August 12, 2012 by Mr Right Wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Amerika Posted August 16, 2012 #123 Share Posted August 16, 2012 so we dont like people who get something for nothing ? i totally agree with that inheritance from hard working parents to feckless brats should be stopped at all costs .why should some brat become rich because his or her parents worked hard .make emm sweep roads or starve like everyone else who has never raised a hand to help society.is that what we are talking about ? No, we dont like people who get something from complete strangers for nothing. A person who has money can do with it whatever he so chooses. You sound like one of those types that hate on people because they happened to have an easier path in life than you did. Make your own path. Quit worrying about other people and worry aboiut yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Amerika Posted August 16, 2012 #124 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Lol merc you are another one who would like to see slavery again ain't you. Yep those socialist progressive country's like Norway are real cesspits what with there excellent healthcare high employment rates and good social welfare systems . They must be so jealouse of the good old US of A with it's Infant mortality rate higher than Cuba and its literacy levels lower than Iraq before we invaded it .yes everyone should aspire to be a capitalist Mecca like you lot you right wing types are quite funny in a clown falling off a mini bike kind of way but with far less common sense than afore mentioned clown. Yep, its horrible here. Stay in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Amerika Posted August 16, 2012 #125 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) The point is that you are factually wrong about the current status of America as a great state. It maybe a great military state - but it is a terminally holed economic state with debts it cannot meet. Refusal to acknowledge that fact is not actually a point of semantic disagreement - it is a fundamental analysis of the reality of the situation. The Roman Empire was a great military state - but eventually it was brought low by economic mismanagement and political corruption. The same fate is inevitable for the USA with its current trajectory. Br Cornelius Sorry, but i wake up every morning and enjoy the fact that i am an American citizen. I go to work and i pay my taxes. I love my life and my country. It must really be sad living such a dreary existence like you do. You can call Amrerica anything you want, but we are just one vote away from turning our nation back onto the path it should be on. Obama has tried and tried to make us like a EU country and it doesnt work for us. Socialism goes against the American dream at its very soul. You can not punish someone for being successful. You dont have to like our ways, lots of people dont. Thats why we up and left 236+ years ago. Now, im going to go enjoy a nice leisurley walk down the street in this wonderful nation i call home. Edited August 16, 2012 by Capt Amerika 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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