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My gripe is with anyone that earns enough to have a luxurious lifestyle and would happily see thousands of others slide into poverty to sustain that.

Yacht's may have been overstating the position - though, certainly, the uber rich will also be included in that Tax band. Let's go with vacation houses, instead.

And how exactly do thousands slide into poverty to sustain one succesful person?

A person with an education or a skill will find a job.

A person with MOTIVATION can reach any level they choose.

The problem is that the Liberals amongst us cant seem to differentiate the difference between the needy and the lazy.

The Liberals dont grasp the concept of a helping hand vs a handout.

My daughter is 25 years old and delivers pizza for a living and lives in the basement of a friends house.

She was dismissed from three Universities for failing to attend classes.

She is now heavily in debt and has a huge hole to dig out of to get back where she started.

And now shes praising Obama and his Social programs, GEE I WONDER WHY!

She is as smart as they come, she is just lazy. So dont tell me that this nation is full of impoverished individuals and its someone elses fault.

For every one person who truly is in need therre are hundreds who could go back to school, learn a skill, and contribute but they are just flipping lazy!

A rich person didnt cause my daughter to be lazy, our socialistic society did and now its keeping her on its teat.

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And how exactly do thousands slide into poverty to sustain one succesful person?

A person with an education or a skill will find a job.

A person with MOTIVATION can reach any level they choose.

The problem is that the Liberals amongst us cant seem to differentiate the difference between the needy and the lazy.

The Liberals dont grasp the concept of a helping hand vs a handout.

My daughter is 25 years old and delivers pizza for a living and lives in the basement of a friends house.

She was dismissed from three Universities for failing to attend classes.

She is now heavily in debt and has a huge hole to dig out of to get back where she started.

And now shes praising Obama and his Social programs, GEE I WONDER WHY!

She is as smart as they come, she is just lazy. So dont tell me that this nation is full of impoverished individuals and its someone elses fault.

For every one person who truly is in need therre are hundreds who could go back to school, learn a skill, and contribute but they are just flipping lazy!

A rich person didnt cause my daughter to be lazy, our socialistic society did and now its keeping her on its teat.

Welcome to the forums Captain!

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And how exactly do thousands slide into poverty to sustain one succesful person?

By raising the tax burden on the middle class and the poor, in order to lower the already historically low tax rates for the Rich.

Or as it's more formally known - enacting the Ryan Budget.

A person with an education or a skill will find a job.

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Well, that's wonderful news. Perhaps you could just e-mail the Whitehouse and let them know that just over half of the unemployed should be finding a job imminently?

A rich person didnt cause my daughter to be lazy, our socialistic society did and now its keeping her on its teat.

So why isn't everyone's daughter turned lazy by socialistic society?

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And now shes praising Obama and his Social programs, GEE I WONDER WHY!

She is as smart as they come, she is just lazy. So dont tell me that this nation is full of impoverished individuals and its someone elses fault.

For every one person who truly is in need therre are hundreds who could go back to school, learn a skill, and contribute but they are just flipping lazy!

A rich person didnt cause my daughter to be lazy, our socialistic society did and now its keeping her on its teat.

great to see you don't question your own parenting skills.

Better to just blame Obama for everything.

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My gripe is with anyone that earns enough to have a luxurious lifestyle and would happily see thousands of others slide into poverty to sustain that.

Yacht's may have been overstating the position - though, certainly, the uber rich will also be included in that Tax band. Let's go with vacation houses, instead.

The negativity aimed at the successful in our society is disgusting.

If someone works hard through University to have a decent career then full credit to them. Sod the narcissists that are resentful towards them because of their own low social status. You get someone in life by making it happen not through negativity and not through blaming others for your own failure.

The biggest lie of Socialism is that people are equals. Unable to accept that people out there are more intelligent than them the lowly individual thinks he is their equal. Therefore he arrives at the conclusion that his low social status must be because the rich are keeping him down. In his little fantasy world it has nothing to do with him being thick.

Those at the bottom are there because they cant obey the law, lack the mindset to get anywhere in life or have a low IQ. The successful should not be punished or held back because of them. Its undoing 3 billion years of evolution.

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Socialism doesn't assume evry one is equal it promotes equality of oppertunity .

The problem with Britain is that there are loads of people with a high IQ who are prepared to work there arses off but don't have the right daddy or there parents didn't have the money to pay them through a private school.

On the flip side there are plenty of people who are utter idiots in positions of power and influence .i think everyone in Britain has come across this in the past and let's face it from a purely economic point of view it isn't very efficient is it.

The best people should be in the best jobs YES ? Well in Britain a lot of the time they arnt

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Socialism doesn't assume evry one is equal it promotes equality of oppertunity .

The problem with Britain is that there are loads of people with a high IQ who are prepared to work there arses off but don't have the right daddy or there parents didn't have the money to pay them through a private school.

On the flip side there are plenty of people who are utter idiots in positions of power and influence .i think everyone in Britain has come across this in the past and let's face it from a purely economic point of view it isn't very efficient is it.

The best people should be in the best jobs YES ? Well in Britain a lot of the time they arnt

The only difference between private and state schools are the type of people your kids will be in contact with. As regards the qualifications they are the same GCSEs regardless of where they are taught. They are taught in the same way as defined in the national curriculum and the same exam bodies mark the papers. There is no difference and thinking there is, is the narcissism creeping back in and making excuses to protect a damaged ego.

In Britain the best people do get the best jobs. Do you see doctors, solitictors, accountants, directors of PLCs etc without a string of letters after their names?

If you voted Tory you'd get politcians with a higher success rate. The reason being is that they arent drop-outs off council estates rebelling with Marxism but qualified professionals.

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Socialism doesn't assume evry one is equal it promotes equality of oppertunity .

BS. It promotes equal outcomes for all regardless of the level of effort one puts in. What you are describing, here, is capitalism. Gees, at least learn about WTF you are attacking.

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The negativity aimed at the successful in our society is disgusting.

If someone works hard through University to have a decent career then full credit to them. Sod the narcissists that are resentful towards them because of their own low social status. You get someone in life by making it happen not through negativity and not through blaming others for your own failure.

The biggest lie of Socialism is that people are equals. Unable to accept that people out there are more intelligent than them the lowly individual thinks he is their equal. Therefore he arrives at the conclusion that his low social status must be because the rich are keeping him down. In his little fantasy world it has nothing to do with him being thick.

Those at the bottom are there because they cant obey the law, lack the mindset to get anywhere in life or have a low IQ. The successful should not be punished or held back because of them. Its undoing 3 billion years of evolution.

I have a Genius level IQ and I'm in the top 10% of American earners.

Any other ridiculous sweepingly incorrect generalizations you'd like to make?

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BS. It promotes equal outcomes for all regardless of the level of effort one puts in. What you are describing, here, is capitalism. Gees, at least learn about WTF you are attacking.

Because we all have dressage horses?

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I have a Genius level IQ and I'm in the top 10% of American earners.

Any other ridiculous sweepingly incorrect generalizations you'd like to make?

I dont believe you but lets assume you are.

Under the surface you're a red. Full on, march outside the Kremlin with the tanks red. You probably bleed green blood when you're cut too lol.

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I dont believe you but lets assume you are.

Under the surface you're a red. Full on, march outside the Kremlin with the tanks red. You probably bleed green blood when you're cut too lol.

Nope. What I do happen to believe in, however, is the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including Article 25:

  • (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
  • (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Any more ridiculous sweepingly incorrect generalizations, or do you have them all out of your system now?

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BS. It promotes equal outcomes for all regardless of the level of effort one puts in. What you are describing, here, is capitalism. Gees, at least learn about WTF you are attacking.

im not attacking anything just speaking the facts from a british person living in a class driven system or do you support the british class system your ancestors fought to eject?

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I have a Genius level IQ and I'm in the top 10% of American earners.

Yet when I make clear points with clear wording in clear context you tend to completely miscontrue the entire meaning of nearly everyone of my posts. So if you are a genious, you do that purposely to promote an agenda. I have accused you of that before. If you are rich, why don't you release your tax records to us. I'd like to see all the charities you donate to since you are so overwhelmingly concerned with the poor.

Nope. What I do happen to believe in, however, is the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including Article 25:

  • (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
  • (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Any more ridiculous sweepingly incorrect generalizations, or do you have them all out of your system now?

If you were a genious, you would understand that this is the United States and we don't[have to] follow the UN's declaration of rights. We have our own. A genious would come up with better ways of trying to convince people of the err of their ways than standard liberal talking points. If you are a genious I'd pinpoint you as a Sheldon type of genious.

Unable to comprehend context and sarcasm or the mindset of an average joe all the while cramming your righteous point of view down everyones throat.

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I never said your ideas are wrong in a moral sense, just that they don't work. On the other hand you call my views wrong and morally defective on a constant basis.

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The only difference between private and state schools are the type of people your kids will be in contact with. As regards the qualifications they are the same GCSEs regardless of where they are taught. They are taught in the same way as defined in the national curriculum and the same exam bodies mark the papers. There is no difference and thinking there is, is the narcissism creeping back in and making excuses to protect a damaged ego.

In Britain the best people do get the best jobs. Do you see doctors, solitictors, accountants, directors of PLCs etc without a string of letters after their names?

If you voted Tory you'd get politcians with a higher success rate. The reason being is that they arent drop-outs off council estates rebelling with Marxism but qualified professionals.

if i voted tory that would make me souless and selfish like yourself .there is only one narcissist in this conversation and that is you .its always the same with you right wing types you are always complaining about sharing your toys with people .the thing is those of us with a concience dont mind sharing .we dont want to see people starve so we can drive a big car we want to share so people have a chance in life ,we believe in society as a whole not the needs of the elite in essence we are human where as you appear to be a spoilt little criminal tax evader who was given state subsidised private schooling and now doesnt want anyone else to have a chance in case your pay drops.

again you assume i am in some way jealouse for you you couldnt be further from the truth .i like my life in fact im very happy with who i am. i like it when a kid from a council estate does well for themselves .where as it annoys you because you have an over inflated ego and people with a concience scare you .what you dont seem to be able to grasp is that you are vastly out numbered in your views and as poverty climbs you will become even more out numbered your kind play right into the hands of those socialists you hate so much

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If you were a genious, you would understand that this is the United States and we don't[have to] follow the UN's declaration of rights. We have our own.

And there we have the reason why nobody trusts America any further than they can throw it: First the US politicians instigate the declaration of universal human rights, then they turn around and renege on it.

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We righties don't mind sharing, at all. We don't mind helping. We don't mind giving. We do mind doing those things indefinately and to no avail. Our taxes will never end poverty. The world has always been full of rich, poor, greedy, lazy generous, giving and everything in between. Always has, always will. Calling us spoiled and insensitive for it is crazy. Its not our fault or anyone elses. It's just life. The animal kingdom is the same. They have the strong, the weak, the fast, the slow, the smart, the stupid, the friendly and the crazy. Yet they seem to get by just fine, in general.

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We righties don't mind sharing, at all. We don't mind helping. We don't mind giving. We do mind doing those things indefinately and to no avail. Our taxes will never end poverty. The world has always been full of rich, poor, greedy, lazy generous, giving and everything in between. Always has, always will. Calling us spoiled and insensitive for it is crazy. Its not our fault or anyone elses. It's just life. The animal kingdom is the same. They have the strong, the weak, the fast, the slow, the smart, the stupid, the friendly and the crazy. Yet they seem to get by just fine, in general.

thing is i though we had evolved from the point of being nothing but hairless monkeys.maybe im wrong but if things dont change especially here in the uk there will be blood in the streets and no right thinking person could possibly want that for anything.people are the most important thing we have, some lose there way but need to be guided back not beaten back with a big stick.

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We righties don't mind sharing, at all. We don't mind helping. We don't mind giving. We do mind doing those things indefinately and to no avail. Our taxes will never end poverty. The world has always been full of rich, poor, greedy, lazy generous, giving and everything in between. Always has, always will. Calling us spoiled and insensitive for it is crazy. Its not our fault or anyone elses. It's just life. The animal kingdom is the same. They have the strong, the weak, the fast, the slow, the smart, the stupid, the friendly and the crazy. Yet they seem to get by just fine, in general.

That must be why the USA is leading the table of developed nations and nations in development regarding child poverty. Else the right would not have anybody to give to.

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thing is i though we had evolved from the point of being nothing but hairless monkeys.maybe im wrong but if things dont change especially here in the uk there will be blood in the streets and no right thinking person could possibly want that for anything.people are the most important thing we have,some lose there way but need to be guided back not beaten back with a big stick.

Yes we have evolved. But human nature is what it is. I don't know a whole lot about the happenings in the UK but I'll bet it has something to do with too much control and not enough freedom. Wether you think you're controlled by the rich or by the government or wether they're both the same you don't like the way your life is controlled in whatever way it is. Political ideas aside, we all agree people are the most important thing there is. Wether you(not you personally) feel that in a selfish or collective way is up for debate though.

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Yet when I make clear points with clear wording in clear context you tend to completely miscontrue the entire meaning of nearly everyone of my posts.

No. I generally understand the point that you're trying to make perfectly.

So if you are a genious, you do that purposely to promote an agenda. I have accused you of that before.

Yes, I do. My agenda is to argue my viewpoint, which, as it happens, is usually that yours is wrong. It's an art form known as debate. These are discussion boards. Perhaps you've heard of the concept before?

If you are rich, why don't you release your tax records to us.

Because I'm not epically naive, perhaps?

If you were a genious, you would understand that this is the United States and we don't[have to] follow the UN's declaration of rights. We have our own.

Well, that's nice for you. However, you may want to note that this is actually the UK and Europe section of the Forum.

Either way - I believe that the UN's universal declaration is a much better and modern standard than the American one. We disagree. Nothing particularly new there.

A genious would come up with better ways of trying to convince people of the err of their ways than standard liberal talking points.

Oh? Such as what, exactly?

I have an IQ above 140, as do around 0.4% of the population, or 1 in 250 people. It's not as if having a genius IQ level is something that's either particularly rare or unique.

If you are a genious I'd pinpoint you as a Sheldon type of genious.

Unable to comprehend context and sarcasm or the mindset of an average joe all the while cramming your righteous point of view down everyones throat.

Please feel free to continue to underestimate me.

I never said your ideas are wrong in a moral sense, just that they don't work. On the other hand you call my views wrong and morally defective on a constant basis.

Have you ever considered the possibility that some people might think that arguing that we should let the poor die unaided might be considered just a tad morally suspect?

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By raising the tax burden on the middle class and the poor, in order to lower the already historically low tax rates for the Rich.

Or as it's more formally known - enacting the Ryan Budget.

So Obama couldnt have fixed the loopholes?

Oh, thats right, they benefit him and his rich friends too.

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Source: Investors.Com

Well, that's wonderful news. Perhaps you could just e-mail the Whitehouse and let them know that just over half of the unemployed should be finding a job imminently?

SOME College?

What degree did those who graduated have? Basket weaving? Liberal Arts?

You have to pick whats needed in society.

So why isn't everyone's daughter turned lazy by socialistic society?

Really? I give you an example of a real honest situation and this is the best you could come up with?

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great to see you don't question your own parenting skills.

Better to just blame Obama for everything.

So which is my fault? the 4.0 graduate that moved out of my house after 18 years or the one who went to College and then decided to dropout and leech off society?

At some point they have to fly on their own and the Govt is intent on keeping them in the nest longer and longer.

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Nope. What I do happen to believe in, however, is the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including Article 25:

  • (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
  • (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Any more ridiculous sweepingly incorrect generalizations, or do you have them all out of your system now?

Is this the same UN that put Saudia Arabia in charge of the Human Rights group?

Yeah, i dont put much faith in that group of losers.

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We righties don't mind sharing, at all. We don't mind helping. We don't mind giving. We do mind doing those things indefinately and to no avail. Our taxes will never end poverty. The world has always been full of rich, poor, greedy, lazy generous, giving and everything in between. Always has, always will. Calling us spoiled and insensitive for it is crazy. Its not our fault or anyone elses. It's just life. The animal kingdom is the same. They have the strong, the weak, the fast, the slow, the smart, the stupid, the friendly and the crazy. Yet they seem to get by just fine, in general.

And we dont appreciate other people telling us how and where we will be sharing our things.

It kinda ruins the spirit of charity.

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