Sirius and Alnilam, Secret Societies

[monk 56]

Yes it is sad about light pollution, however i live in London and can often see the brightest stars, which is why i chose the 4th brightest star in the night sky, Arcturus is easier to see than some of the fainter stars.

In bringing this research to this forum, i did check almost all of the major natural disasters, like Earthquakes and Volcanic eruptions without any alignments to Sirius and Alnilam, belt of Orion the only hit was the Japanese Earthquake of 2011 , the only area that alignments are clustered are important dates in politics and war, like declarations of independence, constitutions, military, war and Secret Societies!!

Even if the odds of alignments being 21 out of 365 days of the year favour this as intentional, we need to go much further to investigate area's of the world that these alignments cluster, and for that reason i will start with the North East Coast of the United States, it has been always been rumoured that secret societies align to Sirius and Orion, which seems to be true, the Great Seal of the United States is controversial.

Please scroll down link below to "Sources of Elements", then read the paragraph "ABOVE" this:- Quote "On September 15th 1789 the United States Congress ordered that the seal heretofore used by the United States in Congress assembled, shall be. and hereby declared to be, the Seal of the United States:-

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

Washington was only being constructed at this time, and congress was sitting in New York, please scroll down link below to "Locating the Capitol", and read paragraph "Above" this:-

http://en.wikipedia....i/Residence_Act

On 15th September 1789 in New York, Sunrise Egyptian day marker was used, As Sun rose, Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star was culminating along due south and zenith, I'm sure Osiris loved the PYRAMID on the Great Seal ha ha! Astronomy graph below:-

http://2012forum.com...=3911&mode=view

Edited May 7, 2013 by monk 56

[jaylemurph]

Yes it is sad about light pollution, however i live in London and can often see the brightest stars, which is why i chose the 4th brightest star in the night sky, Arcturus is easier to see than some of the fainter stars.

In bringing this research to this forum, i did check almost all of the major natural disasters, like Earthquakes and Volcanic eruptions without any alignments to Sirius and Alnilam, belt of Orion the only hit was the Japanese Earthquake of 2011 , the only area that alignments are clustered are important dates in politics and war, like declarations of independence, constitutions, military, war and Secret Societies!!

Even if the odds of alignments being 21 out of 365 days of the year favour this as intentional, we need to go much further to investigate area's of the world that these alignments cluster, and for that reason i will start with the North East Coast of the United States, it has been always been rumoured that secret societies align to Sirius and Orion, which seems to be true, the Great Seal of the United States is controversial.

Please scroll down link below to "Sources of Elements", then read the paragraph "ABOVE" this:- Quote "On September 15th 1789 the United States Congress ordered that the seal heretofore used by the United States in Congress assembled, shall be. and hereby declared to be, the Seal of the United States:-

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

Washington was only being constructed at this time, and congress was sitting in New York, please scroll down link below to "Locating the Capitol", and read paragraph "Above" this:-

http://en.wikipedia....i/Residence_Act

On 15th September 1789 in New York, Sunrise Egyptian day marker was used, As Sun rose, Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star was culminating along due south and zenith, I'm sure Osiris loved the PYRAMID on the Great Seal ha ha! Astronomy graph below:-

http://2012forum.com...=3911&mode=view

A good scientist (or mathematician) knows the adage that correlation is not causation. For all your posts, I have yet to see you provide a framework for all this. For example:

it has been always been rumoured that secret societies align to Sirius and Orion, which seems to be true, the Great Seal of the United States is controversial.

Who has brought forth this rumor? Where? Why? When? What secret societies? How exactly does a group of people "align" with a star? Why would the do so? When have they done so? If they can do so, what specific thing makes it "seem to be true"? What about the Greal Seal of the United States is controversial? Who says it is? Why? When did they say so? I could go on for some time with these questions, so why don't you answer a few? And I beg you, no links. Explain what you mean /in your own words/!

--Jaylemurph

[AlnilamPhiSiriusly]

A good scientist (or mathematician) knows the adage that correlation is not causation. For all your posts, I have yet to see you provide a framework for all this. For example:

Who has brought forth this rumor? Where? Why? When? What secret societies? How exactly does a group of people "align" with a star? Why would the do so? When have they done so? If they can do so, what specific thing makes it "seem to be true"? What about the Greal Seal of the United States is controversial? Who says it is? Why? When did they say so? I could go on for some time with these questions, so why don't you answer a few? And I beg you, no links. Explain what you mean /in your own words/!

--Jaylemurph

You mean you have NEVER heard this theory before?????? You seem to have no information, so here's some

William Cooper video describes: 'Secret Societies And Psychological Warfare Part Two: The Dog Star Sirius'

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After predicting 911 in July 2001, William Cooper was shot to death - info re: the death at http://worldtruth.tv...nd-his-death-2/

[jaylemurph]

You mean you have NEVER heard this theory before?????? You seem to have no information, so here's some

Nope. I tend to confine myself to rational conversation and provable facts, so I ignore 99.99% of conspiracy theory lunacy.

William Cooper video describes: 'Secret Societies And Psychological Warfare Part Two: The Dog Star Sirius'

Sorry. I tend not to watch conspiracy theory lunacy, esp. conspiracy theory lunacy on YouTube. I have this thing (professional bias, I guess) where I deplore people who use YouTube videos in an intelligent debate. First of all, a very large percentage of information in such videos is unsourced and unconformed, and therefore unworthy of being relied on. There is a very little action on behalf of the people posting them to check the info themselves, as well, so I often find the people who use them parrot the information with little real understanding about the issue that's being discussed.

TL;DR: I don't watch YouTube videos. If you want to talk about what's in it, why don't you provide a breakdown of the argument?

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After predicting 911 in July 2001, William Cooper was shot to death - info re: the death at http://worldtruth.tv...nd-his-death-2/

Oddly, you don't mention seem here that he worked for anti-government militias, was being arrested for armed assault in fights he'd picked with his neighbors and tax evasion, or that he'd murdered a federal agent before he was shot. (http://en.wikipedia....am_Cooper#Death)

--Jaylemurph

Edited May 7, 2013 by jaylemurph

[monk 56]

Dear AlnilamPhiSiriusly,

I don't know your location, but may be United States, but i value your comments, you are a mystery to me ha ha!

My next series of comments are regarding Scottish Rites Freemasons in area of North East United States.

Please note there is "Southern Jurisdiction Scottish Rites Masonic Philosophy"......and "Northern Jurisdiction Scottish Rites Masonic Philosophy", in our era since the civil war, they are split!

I ask only one thing from you, before i continue, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, find an African American face in Southern Jurisdiction, like below in Northern Jurisdiction, anyone want to try, i dare you?

http://unitedsupremecouncilnjpha.com/

Slowly, slowly....ha ha!

[AlnilamPhiSiriusly]

Nope. I tend to confine myself to rational conversation and provable facts, so I ignore 99.99% of conspiracy theory lunacy.

Sorry. I tend not to watch conspiracy theory lunacy, esp. conspiracy theory lunacy on YouTube. I have this thing (professional bias, I guess) where I deplore people who use YouTube videos in an intelligent debate. First of all, a very large percentage of information in such videos is unsourced and unconformed, and therefore unworthy of being relied on. There is a very little action on behalf of the people posting them to check the info themselves, as well, so I often find the people who use them parrot the information with little real understanding about the issue that's being discussed.

TL;DR: I don't watch YouTube videos. If you want to talk about what's in it, why don't you provide a breakdown of the argument?

Oddly, you don't mention seem here that he worked for anti-government militias, was being arrested for armed assault in fights he'd picked with his neighbors and tax evasion, or that he'd murdered a federal agent before he was shot. (http://en.wikipedia....am_Cooper#Death)

--Jaylemurph

No need to apologise to me for your having a blinkered mind – that's your loss – I'm amazed you frequent this forum on which many an alleged 'conspiracy theoriy' is discussed.

You appear to have led a sheltered life... are you now claiming there is not and never has been any form of conspiratorial activity of any kind EVER on this planet?

con·spir·a·cy

Noun

A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

The action of plotting or conspiring.

Ever heard of The Mafia? Probably not.

http://www.cracked.c...y-happened.html

[monk 56]

In the North and South the Civil War in United States put brother against brother, obviously also with Scottish Rite Masons....be sure there is a split, but not how you think would happen, after all it was the North Americans that won the Civil War....who would you expect to be the poor relation???????

The Northern Jurisdiction didn't want any power in politics, it's H.Q. is in Lexington, Massachusetts, NOT IN WASHINGTON D.C., close to politics!

Lets be clear, i have no want to go to a picnic with any mason, but i have to be fair, anyone has the right to join any marginized group in a democracy as long as it stays within the law, definition below:-

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Marginalized+group r

Obviously i don't want a Marginalized Group that may be hermetic having clout in influencing a massive democracy regarding beliefs!!!!

Please note i'm not saying that i think that Northern Jurisdiction Scottish Rite Masons are to be trusted, i'm just noting difference, they seem to be the poor relation after winning the Civil War, even selling off property, link below:-

http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/boston.html

The H.Q of the Southern Jurisdiction of Scottish Rite is the House of the Temple in Washington D.C.....i ask a question, do you see any time that the House of the Temple would be sold because of lack of money?

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_house_of_the_temple.htm

[jaylemurph]

Dear AlnilamPhiSiriusly,

I don't know your location, but may be United States, but i value your comments, you are a mystery to me ha ha!

My next series of comments are regarding Scottish Rites Freemasons in area of North East United States.

Please note there is "Southern Jurisdiction Scottish Rites Masonic Philosophy"......and "Northern Jurisdiction Scottish Rites Masonic Philosophy", in our era since the civil war, they are split!

You're right. That is strange and meaningful and inexplicable. It's not like the USA is an /extremely/ large country, and that any organization might wish to divide itself up for practical reasons. And North and South -- why nothing, nowhere has every split itself into that kind of division before.

I ask only one thing from you, before i continue, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, find an African American face in Southern Jurisdiction, like below in Northern Jurisdiction, anyone want to try, i dare you?

http://unitedsupremecouncilnjpha.com/

Slowly, slowly....ha ha!

http://2.bp.blogspot...rd+Marshall.jpg

Thurgood Marshall, Supreme Court Judge and member of the Southern jurisdiction of the Freemasons, in 1968, when Black Masons were far rarer than today. This incredibly rare and difficult find was made by -- mark this -- typing "black Southern Mason" into Google.

http://www.blessedqu..._8bb3867173.jpg

Why here's a group of four Black Southern Masons.

http://www.freemason..._-_9-13-081.jpg

And more!

Now why don't you give over and actually say whatever it was you were hinting about by this challenge. Or say something intelligent about your over all theme? You still haven't tried to make sense of all your observations, and it's looking less and less like you have any coherent observation about anything.

--Jaylemurph

Edited May 8, 2013 by jaylemurph

[monk 56]

No doubt, AlnilamPhiSirius,

This will create humour with you with Member Jaylemurph, for a member who says he has no interest in rumours and how they started, he certainly uses the World Wide Web when he wants to...ha ha!

He has used links about PRINCE HALL MASONIC GROUPS, we all know problems about the SOUTH regarding EQUAL RIGHTS, no doubt you will have something to say, no doubt African Americans were sucking up, they had no power at all in 1968 regarding APARTHEID OR SEGREGATION!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States

Actually 1968 was a crucial year regarding African Americans and Prince Hall African Masonic Groups, i love that Jaylemurph is trying to say that Southern Masons were doing as much as Northern Masons in this awful debate:-

1968 was the APEX:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968

Please note that the FIRST PRINCE HALL AFRICAN AMERICAN masonic group connected to the Order of the Eastern Star noted in CAPITOL was Queen Esther Chapter No.1 on December 1st 1874, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Eastern_Star

As Sun rises in the East in Washington D,C, Sirius sets in the West on 1st December 1874, ha ha!

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3890&mode=view

[monk 56]

I have to say that Southern Jurisdiction Scottish Rite H.Q. in Washington D.C. hasn't a good record on human rights, especially regarding African Americans:-

http://en.wikipedia....e_of_the_Temple

By scrolling down to "HISTORY", please note 31st May 1911 Ground Breaking! This is ancient Greek day start being sunset previous when Sirius sets with the Sun!

Cornerstone was placed on 18th October 1911, and building was dedicated on 18th October 1915, these two dates are aligned to midnight, when Sirius is rising in the East!

Astronomy graph on link:-

http://2012forum.com...=3508&mode=view

Edited May 8, 2013 by monk 56

[jaylemurph]

No doubt, AlnilamPhiSirius,

This will create humour with you with Member Jaylemurph, for a member who says he has no interest in rumours and how they started, he certainly uses the World Wide Web when he wants to...ha ha!

He has used links about PRINCE HALL MASONIC GROUPS, we all know problems about the SOUTH regarding EQUAL RIGHTS, no doubt you will have something to say, no doubt African Americans were sucking up, they had no power at all in 1968 regarding APARTHEID OR SEGREGATION!

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

After touting your (questionable) mastery of math and science, you need to step away from history. If American-Americans had no power, there would still be segregation. It is because they both had that power and used it that segregation ended.

Actually 1968 was a crucial year regarding African Americans and Prince Hall African Masonic Groups, i love that Jaylemurph is trying to say that Southern Masons were doing as much as Northern Masons in this awful debate:-

I never said anything of the sort. I prefer only people who know what they're talking about to put words in my mouth. That, sir, does not include you. I urge you to quote only thing I actually write.

Please note that the FIRST PRINCE HALL AFRICAN AMERICAN masonic group connected to the Order of the Eastern Star noted in CAPITOL was Queen Esther Chapter No.1 on December 1st 1874, link below:-

All this hot air does not detract from the site you dared somebody provide evidence against your pronouncement about African Americans Freemasons. You may not want to admit it, but I came up with a plethora of evidence about what you implied did not exist.

So admit you were wrong. I also encourage you to try to make some sort of intelligent statement about what you're trying to show. I mean, you couldn't get anyone to engage you wherever this thread started out, and you have not provided one single bit of evidence to justify its presence in this thread. All it is, is you stating the odd, usually improvable fact and hinting it fits in with some theory you can't be bothered to actually discuss.

I think it's time some of the moderators considered the usefulness of keeping this thread open at all.

--Jaylemurph

Edited May 8, 2013 by jaylemurph

[monk 56]

The Tomb of Albert Pike is in the House of the Temple, this means he is important, he wrote Morals and Dogma, index below, please scroll down to "B" look for "Blazing Star" in digest, please note this is a masonic link:-

http://www.phoenixma...s_and_dogma.htm

We see attached to Sirius in philosophy, please note i'm only looking at North East America as i said regarding history!

It may interest to go further and scroll down to OSIRIS, and comments made there, obviously i'm only just getting started in this small area of the United States, Jaylemurph left Prince Hall links which is African American....hardly anything to vote on, the African Americans by law were trying to get something when they had nothing, sadly that is the truth regarding 1968 and segregation!

Obviously George Washington was a Mason, so what, i still love him, but the philosophy was going sour in this region by 11th September 1826 and the Morgan Affair...lets be clear i have no idea what happened, but it did damage mason philosophy in the region of North East United States and created rumour:-

http://www.qmhs.org/...rgan_affair.htm

Love the debate Jaylemurph, perhaps you would like to try it that my astronomy graphs are inaccurate, as you have recently tried regarding the vertical line in meridians?

Hell i could give alignments for a long time regarding Washington D.C., it is a candy bar for me! Also the cluster of alignments are so large in politics, it doesn't happen anywhere else on the planet on that level and odds of chance!

Edited May 8, 2013 by monk 56

[jaylemurph]

You know, it's not my call to open or close threads. What I can say is that you clearly have no desire to make a coherent point. Maybe you think it makes you clever to be so mysterious, but it only serves to make you look foolish and try everyone else's patience. With your alleged mastery of mathematics, you'll notice exactly two other people have responded to this thread over the last two weeks. It's about to go down to one.

I'm tired of playing your game. I'm tired of you not making sense. I'm tired of you not producing an argument. I'm tired of you not /discussing/ on a discussion board.

--Jaylemurph

[monk 56]

Recently i have made a point of noting how careful i have to be regarding Midnight alignments, be of no doubt i have to be careful in this area, and can make mistakes, midnight by astronomy is valued now by longitude, but latitude alignments are far easier being two points by location!

Once everywhere had LMT, meaning Local Mean Time, during this period i didn't have to worry about complications like Summer Time in USA, it didn't exist until somewhere in the middle of the First World War in USA, i have tried very hard to make my astronomy graphs accurate, but will listen if dispute, i'm not an ogre!

Local mean time over midnight was very different regarding THE PRIME MERIDIAN and GREENWICH, UK, before 1884 and the Prime Meridian Conference in Washington D.C.....lets explain for America.....Washington D.C. had a local meridian of approx. 05:08:03 in 1792, but when the Greenwich Meridian was introduced it rounded off the hour to 05:00, this is important in going back in time!

Lets show House of the Temple astronomy chart again, link below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3508&mode=view

Please note five hours difference from Greenwich Meridian!

However if we go back to the time of the White House with construction we get a date of 13th September 1792, this is purely a local time, please note difference as 05:08:03, this obviously makes a difference, Washington D.C. on 18th October 1911 shows an alignment to Sirius rising at midnight with House of the Temple, graph above.

But before Greenwich mean time was introduced Sirius was rising at midnight using local mean time on 13th September 1792 in regards to White House, obviously local time and GMT when introduced changed everything regarding midnight!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3507&mode=view

[monk 56]

Lets rub some salt in, please fully investigate link below, originally 1st October 1996 was placed near Bethesda, Maryland, be careful how you approach me with sharp comments:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Geospatial-Intelligence_Agency

Astronomy graph below, regarding Egyptian Sunrise daymarker:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3913&mode=view

[monk 56]

You may note i'm gonna spit blood soon, obviously i'm passionate, with my dark deep karma, it isn't going to help me with collective, i really don't care, don't try it with me, in spitting blood, i have a long way to go yet, but in body it can finish any time, don't bet against me yet!

The odds may be in your favour or mine in math, i'm not telling you what side to get on, i will go to the wire before i have my last gasp, and spit blood all the way, this is true, dark deep karma ha ha!

Devil's Advocate Ha Ha!

Edited May 11, 2013 by monk 56

[Helen of Annoy]

Just because I don’t post in this thread doesn’t mean I don’t follow it.

Especially since sceptics have arrived to inform everyone there's nothing to see here

[The_Spartan]

Dark Deep Karma??

Does Karma have a color??

Karma is just Karma. Neither good or bad,

Karma is the outcome of one's deeds. Its the deeds that are good or bad, not the karma arising out of these deeds.

Assuming karma does indeed have a color, Dark denotes negativity, evil, bad.

Dark Deep Karma is evil. You say you have dark deep karma.

So, logically, you are evil. a villain.

Edited May 11, 2013 by The_Spartan

[monk 56]

Hi Helen,

Its nice to hear from you, keep riding that Trojan horse ha ha!

Hi The Spartan,

It depends what my deep karma is directed against, i find all assassinations awful, but when John Wilkes Booth waited for Sirius to be setting along the horizon at location before shooting President Lincoln in the back of the head on Good Friday, i find that abhorrent, it makes my blood boil, 2 pages on link below show how events unfolded!

http://www.mauricefe....php?f=2&t=2094

Edited May 11, 2013 by monk 56

[monk 56]

On this page thread section #490, i noted that the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency was formed on 1st October 1966, and thus Egyptian Sunrise day marker was chosen at location, while Sirius was culminating, the date was used again at location on 1st October 1961 with the Defense Intelligence Agency, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Intelligence_Agency

Astronomy graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7166&mode=view

[monk 56]

Rumours about how Washington D.C. was aligned to the stars grew stronger in the late 1990's when a book was published by David Ovason, called "The Secret Zodiacs of Washington D.C., however this book has been published under other titles

http://bookshelff.bl...hington-dc.html

However i was disappointed in the book as it showed very little to how the city was aligned to Sirius and Alnilam.

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In the book of fiction by Dan Brown called "The Lost Symbol", he used David Ovason's book as a reference.

Edited May 12, 2013 by monk 56

[wondertemple]

In 1961, then if we say a sothic year went by, somewhere between 1461 and 1458 years from 1961 is 503 AD when the toltec remnant founded Tula, going back another cycle of 1458 years is 955 BC when the first sun of the first Aztec Sun rose in the Age of the Jaguars and Giants (the Legend of the Suns).

The belt stars of Orion contain a code for 9/11 and Judgement day, (fulfillment of Revelation). They are like the boner of the Mastermind.

The Blazing Star, Star of Ra, is not Sirius A, B, or C. It is a mystery star beneath the Pleiades discovered by Wayne Herschel, See the Hidden Records.

[monk 56]

West Point or the United States Military Academy, is near Highland Falls, New York:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Falls,_New_York

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Military_Academy

You will note that above link says that it was established on 16th March1802, midnight day marker was used at location, when Sirius was setting along the horizon in the West, astronomy graph below on link:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3922&mode=view

If you scroll down link below to "Creation of the National Clandestine Service", and read last paragraph under that section you will find it was announced on 13th October 2005 in Washington D.C., ancient Greek day marker was chosen, as Sun set on 12th October, Sirius was aligned to the Nadir, graph and information links below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Clandestine_Service

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3918&mode=view

[wondertemple]

Sirius as the Blazing Star is the exoteric interpretation for all, the star Wayne Herschel has found is the Esoteric reference of the Blazing Star of Ra, where we are the Gods of Egypt originated.

[monk 56]

Hi WonderTemple,

It must be noted there are many different beliefs about Sirius all over the world including Native Americans, please scroll down link to "Two Dogs" by Cherokee:-

http://www.wwu.edu/depts/skywise/legends.html

In the North East United States we have masonic beliefs that are acted on in dates and alignments, my motive in bringing forward for discussion is politics and war seem to be controlled by belief, probably Hermetic belief, we are all bozo's in why something is believed in religion.