Nick Clegg withdraws 'bigots' email

[None of the above]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/11/nick-clegg-bigots-email-marriage

Clegg's office ran into trouble at 3.00pm on Tuesday when it issued an email containing remarks he intended to make at the reception, which was held to mark the government's consultation on marriage.

It quoted Clegg as saying: "Continued trouble in the economy gives the bigots a stick to beat us with, as they demand we 'postpone' the equalities agenda in order to deal with 'the things people really care about'. As if pursuing greater equality and fixing the economy simply cannot happen at once."

Shame about the retraction. But what do we expect from a party which at best is circling the drain.

[Mr Right Wing]

http://www.guardian....-email-marriage

Clegg's office ran into trouble at 3.00pm on Tuesday when it issued an email containing remarks he intended to make at the reception, which was held to mark the government's consultation on marriage.

It quoted Clegg as saying: "Continued trouble in the economy gives the bigots a stick to beat us with, as they demand we 'postpone' the equalities agenda in order to deal with 'the things people really care about'. As if pursuing greater equality and fixing the economy simply cannot happen at once."

Shame about the retraction. But what do we expect from a party which at best is circling the drain.

Never voted Liberal and never ever will.

[None of the above]

Never voted Liberal and never ever will.

Imagine my suprise.

That said, at the next election it won't just be the lack of your vote which makes Lib-Dem MP's an endangered species.

The 'right' never voted Lib-Dem. Especially those as far to the right as you are.

As I've said before, p***ed off Tory voters vote UKIP or BNP.

But as 'New Labour' jumped into the centre ground then started to lean to the right, some of the dissolusioned left DID vote Lib-Dem.

They won't forgive those votes being used to put your Tory buddy in number 10.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Atlantia

[CommunitarianKevin]

Opponents of gay marriage are bigots...

[None of the above]

Opponents of gay marriage are bigots...

Exactly, that's why it's a shame he's done a flip-flop and retracted the original statement.

[CommunitarianKevin]

Exactly, that's why it's a shame he's done a flip-flop and retracted the original statement.

Yeah...that's okay though...it will happen soon enough. We are just waiting for that generation to die off...

[Mr Right Wing]

Imagine my suprise.

That said, at the next election it won't just be the lack of your vote which makes Lib-Dem MP's an endangered species.

The 'right' never voted Lib-Dem. Especially those as far to the right as you are.

As I've said before, p***ed off Tory voters vote UKIP or BNP.

But as 'New Labour' jumped into the centre ground then started to lean to the right, some of the dissolusioned left DID vote Lib-Dem.

They won't forgive those votes being used to put your Tory buddy in number 10.

I'm a Conservative and have always voted blue for seats inside this country.

I love my country and my people, I'm patriotic, I'm Eurosceptic, I'm against immigration, I'm militaristic, pro-Christain, anti-gay weddings, industrialistic, think lots of things should be privatised, believe in low taxes, believe in small government and think we should annex Austrailia, Canada and New Zealand back into the empire. Sod it, we should wait for the US to become weak no matter if it takes a couple of centuries and annex them back into the empire too.

So overall I think I'm more right-wing than UKIP or BNP. I belong in the Monday Club. Oh and yes I secretly voted for Nick Griffn as an MEP. So sad he hasnt been able to ruin it for us.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Mr Right Wing

[Blue Star]

I see no love coming from you about your/my country nor your/my people????

I am delighted to have seen over my 46 years,

That small minded bigots with so much prejudice as you, are withering away as a canker onto its self.

Your antiquated standpoint is, I am glad to say, finally being shown the door.

I am sorry that your life is so full of hate and hotheaded contempt that you are blind to see just how loathsome you are and how you shame your/our tolerant nation and freedom of speech.

Just sayin'

[Likely Guy]

I'm a Conservative and have always voted blue for seats inside this country.

...and think we should annex Austrailia, Canada and New Zealand back into the empire...

There's a group of Canucks, Aussies and Kiwis that beg to differ. The 'empire' is dead man, get over it.

[Professor Buzzkill]

Opponents of gay marriage are bigots...

Over here we have just voted to accept gay marriage. I disagree with it mainly because i disagree with marriage. I have two children with my partner and see marriage as an outdated religious sacrament. Also, the dictionary defines marriage as a man and women, whereas we already have civil unions here which doesn't define partners as man and woman.

Basically the non religious argument over here was that people have entered into marriage contracts on the understanding that it was and always will be "man and woman" and now feel like their commitments have been undermined. Pretty much, if you change the definition of marriage once, whats to stop it changing again, like in Brazil where the court has ruled that it is discrimination that three people cannot get married? When will your "sacred" vows be meaningless? (note that i do not believe any religion hence sacred is in quotation marks)

What about homosexual incest? why not let them marry?

My sister is gay and i support gay rights. No one should be discriminated against for their sexual orientation, but why do we have to change the definition of marriage? Surely guaranteeing the same rights should be enough. Gay people can get married, just not to people of their own sex, just like straight people cannot get married to people of the same sex.

[Mr Right Wing]

What about homosexual incest? why not let them marry?

Am I reading that right?

You think sisters or brothers should be allowed to marry? Someone needs to call the police on you.

[None of the above]

I'm a Conservative and have always voted blue for seats inside this country.

I love my country and my people, I'm patriotic, I'm Eurosceptic, I'm against immigration, I'm militaristic, pro-Christain, anti-gay weddings, industrialistic, think lots of things should be privatised, believe in low taxes, believe in small government and think we should annex Austrailia, Canada and New Zealand back into the empire. Sod it, we should wait for the US to become weak no matter if it takes a couple of centuries and annex them back into the empire too.

So overall I think I'm more right-wing than UKIP or BNP. I belong in the Monday Club. Oh and yes I secretly voted for Nick Griffn as an MEP. So sad he hasnt been able to ruin it for us.

Yes, you are the crown prince of forum trolls

[Mr Right Wing]

There's a group of Canucks, Aussies and Kiwis that beg to differ. The 'empire' is dead man, get over it.

Some of them dont like the Queen but most would come running back to the Motherland.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Mr Right Wing

[None of the above]

Some of them dont like the Queen but most would come running back to the Motherland.

I might be an idealist, but frak me you really do live in a fantasy world.

[Arbenol]

Some of them dont like the Queen but most would come running back to the Motherland.

Get your head out of the 1950s. For Australia and New Zealand the "motherland" of a significant proportion of the population is not Britain.

[tyrant lizard]

Opponents of gay marriage are bigots...

That's a bigotted point of view

[CommunitarianKevin]

That's a bigotted point of view

Valid point...I am bigoted towards bigots...If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

[None of the above]

Get your head out of the 1950s. For Australia and New Zealand the "motherland" of a significant proportion of the population is not Britain.

What's that my boy? You wouldn't like to take the Queens shilling like a 'good little colonial' so that MrRightWing can send you off to fight foreign wars for his new British Reich Empire?

Seriously though, I think you give him too much credit.

HIs attitudes are more 1850s than 1950s!

[Mr Right Wing]

What's that my boy? You wouldn't like to take the Queens shilling like a 'good little colonial' so that MrRightWing can send you off to fight foreign wars for his new British Reich Empire?

Seriously though, I think you give him too much credit.

HIs attitudes are more 1850s than 1950s!

I'm not talking about India or Polynesia.

I'm talking about British people - England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Canadians, Americans, Austrailians and New Zealanders. Why must our nation keep being dismantled? If it continues the next one to leave will be Scotland.

Why must our politicians keep trying to liberal up the nation more and more? Why must we remain in the EU? Britain is a fully capable superpower so there is no need for us to hand over our soverignty to others. Its political weakness.

The decay must be stopped. Gay marriage and Scots wanting independance is the latest step in destroying our nation and the moral fabric of our society. I'm not talking about building a Reich. We have no right to rule Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, huge region of Africa and Indonesia. They are foriegn peoples with the right to determine their own destiny. I'm talking about Britain and British people being fragmented.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Mr Right Wing

[Cradle of Fish]

You're clueless man. Australia has been a self determined nation for over a century now and we're better off for it. We aren't British at all, even if the majority of the blood in this country comes from the British isles. I'm of German and Irish descent, but that is history, I have been Australian since the day I was born and shall be until the day that I die. Everyone I know, whether their family migrated here two hundred years ago or twenty years ago, feels the same way. We as a people move forward instead of trying to cling to past glory. The same can be said for all those other nations.

There was a good reason for the Commonwealth. Britain learnt their lessons from the American Revolution - if people want self determination then give it to them. So instead of a whole bunch of costly wars and the foundation of a collection republics springing up and weakening the Empire overall you've got constitutional monarchies. It's not the most ideal situation in my opinion, but the republican voice in this country is strong, and will only get stronger when Queen Elizabeth is gone.

The UK still has a lot going for it. All you need is a bit of electoral reform and to get rid of that archaic House of Lords.

[tyrant lizard]

Valid point...I am bigoted towards bigots...If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

I'm bigoted towards the bigots of bigots... I think

[Mr Right Wing]

You're clueless man. Australia has been a self determined nation for over a century now and we're better off for it. We aren't British at all, even if the majority of the blood in this country comes from the British isles. I'm of German and Irish descent, but that is history, I have been Australian since the day I was born and shall be until the day that I die. Everyone I know, whether their family migrated here two hundred years ago or twenty years ago, feels the same way. We as a people move forward instead of trying to cling to past glory. The same can be said for all those other nations.

There was a good reason for the Commonwealth. Britain learnt their lessons from the American Revolution - if people want self determination then give it to them. So instead of a whole bunch of costly wars and the foundation of a collection republics springing up and weakening the Empire overall you've got constitutional monarchies. It's not the most ideal situation in my opinion, but the republican voice in this country is strong, and will only get stronger when Queen Elizabeth is gone.

The UK still has a lot going for it. All you need is a bit of electoral reform and to get rid of that archaic House of Lords.

I wouldnt expect someone who doesnt have British blood flowing through their veins to feel patriotic over the empire. Every time a referendum is called for to get rid of the Queen the vast majority of Austrailians reject it. In their hearts they know they are British.

Their Head of State is the Queen. She holds executive power and is the head of their armed forces as is the case here in the UK. She can dissolve their Parliament if she wished. She should do and then we can reunite.

[keithisco]

Patriotic over the Empire??? Just how old are you, even I was born after the end of empire, and I am an Old Fart (with proveable 1000 yrs of English Heritage)

The Monarch only has "Ceremonial Executive" powers, any attempt by any Monarch to dissolve a Democratically elected Govt would end in farce. The "Commoners" would immediately introduce a Statutory Instrument into Parliament rescinding ALL Monarchical Powers, and then you have a Republic.

You do an immense disservice to Queen Elizabeth 2nd to even suggest what you do....She would never contemplate what you suggest - a return to Colonialism, the Commonwealth of Nations is largely down to HM, and you would do well to remember that...

ps Do not confuse the "Old Empire", with todays Commonwealth of Nations, and I for one do not want to be so closely re-united with Australia, or New Zealand, I was offered a long term contract in Perth (last week) investigated the place and I got so bored reading about it that I fell asleep... , did the same with Sydney, with the same result...

Edited September 12, 2012 by keithisco

[Cradle of Fish]

u

I wouldnt expect someone who doesnt have British blood flowing through their veins to feel patriotic over the empire.

So being about three quarters Irish doesn't render me of British blood? When you yourself listed Ireland as part of Britain? What about the fact that the Royal family is of German descent? They were the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha just a century ago. Going further back the Plantagenet dynasty which defined England as a nation was of Norman descent.

And it is absolutely impossible for me to be patriotic about an empire which used Australian Diggers as cannon fodder during World War I.

Every time a referendum is called for to get rid of the Queen the vast majority of Austrailians reject it. In their hearts they know they are British.

Their Head of State is the Queen. She holds executive power and is the head of their armed forces as is the case here in the UK. She can dissolve their Parliament if she wished. She should do and then we can reunite.

Let me drop a little Aussie history on you.

Firstly, the Australian Republican movement gained a lot of steam in the early 70s after Prime Minister Gough Whitlam was dismissed by the Governor General at the time, John Kerr. It's called the Constitutional Crisis. The problem stemmed from a deadlock between the two houses of parliament, and John Kerr decided to dissolve parliament without the recommendation of the Prime Minister. The election that followed solved the issue, but people were outraged that the Governor General would act in such a way. It was an issue for parliament to resolve, either through compromise or the PM deciding to put it to the voters. In the aftermath John Kerr was so hated that he left the country and never returned. The reaction would be one hundred fold if the Queen directed the Governor General to dissolve our parliament and suspend further elections. It would be a coup, nothing more.

Secondly, there has only been one referendum on the republic in the history of the nation, and it wasn't as simple as a majority of monarchists winning out. It happened when we had a monarchist Prime Minister, who caved to pressure and held a convention on the matter stacked in the monarchists favour. There were also two factions of republicans, parliamentarians(that is parliament elects the president with a two thirds majority) and the direct electionists(the voters elect for the president). The referendum asked whether the country should become the former model of a republic. The direct electionists wouldn't compromise with the parliamentarian republicans on the issue reasoning that if the referendum as it was worded failed, there would be another proposing their model. So they voted with the monarchists, the referendum failed by a fairly narrow margin and another wasn't proposed.

The monarchy in Australia is popular due to Elizabeth II, and I can understand why. Personally I have no issue with her, my primary beef is with authority decided by birth instead of merit. If we had been under King Charles during that referendum, who is quite unpopular here, we probably would be a republic. And even the monarchists are devoted to our system of parliamentary democracy, if the King/Queen tried to exercise any control on this country they would be as outraged as the republicans.

If you haven't visited Australia I recommend that you do. I think you'll find we are more patriotic about our own country that we could ever be about Britain.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Typical leftwing idiot. Anyone who doesn't agree with the views of a leftwinger, even if it's the majority of the population, are just derided as a "bigot" or a "racist".

We saw this during the run up to the 2010 General Election in which an old lady in Rochdale asked Gordon Brown what his party will do to cut immigration were they to win the election. This was televised. When he got back into his car he forgot that he still had his microphone on and millions of people heard him calling her "that bigotted woman". And all she did was air a concern that millions of ordinary Britons share.

So this Cleggie affair is yet another incident of the Left revealing what they really think about ordinary people who dare oppose their policies.

We can be thankful that hardly anybody in Britain is going to vote for the Liberals in the 2015 General Election.

Edited September 12, 2012 by TheLastLazyGun