Nick Clegg withdraws 'bigots' email

[TheLastLazyGun]

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As I've said before, p***ed off Tory voters vote UKIP or BNP.

p***ed of voters of any political persuasion vote UKIP or BNP when they feel as though none of the three major parties are listening to their concerns on things such as the EU or immigration. I voted UKIP at the last European Elections and, should the Government not give us the referendum on whether or not Britain should stay in the EU by the time the next election comes along in 2015, then I will vote UKIP in that election, too.

Edited September 12, 2012 by TheLastLazyGun

[None of the above]

Typical leftwing idiot. Anyone who doesn't agree with the views of a leftwinger, even if it's the majority of the population, are just derided as a "bigot" or a "racist".

We saw this during the run up to the 2010 General Election in which an old lady in Rochdale asked Gordon Brown what his party will do to cut immigration were they to win the election. This was televised. When he got back into his car he forgot that he still had his microphone on and millions of people heard him calling her "that bigotted woman". And all she did was air a concern that millions of ordinary Britons share.

So this Cleggie affair is yet another incident of the Left revealing what they really think about ordinary people who dare oppose their policies.

We can be thankful that hardly anybody in Britain is going to vote for the Liberals in the 2015 General Election.

Yes, the 'left' do indeed dislike bigots and racists.

Interesting that you are "thankful that hardly anybody in Britain is going to vote for the Liberals in the 2015 General Election"

Because all those Lib-Dem votes will be going to Labour!

[TheLastLazyGun]

Opponents of gay marriage are bigots...

Polls in Scotland conducted recently in the wake of news that the Scottish devolved government are planning on legalising gay marriage show that the majority of Scots are against gay marriage. So are you trying to say that the majority of Scots are bigots?

The Left need to realise that the legalisation of gay marriage should be discouraged and traditional marriage between a man and a woman need to be encouraged. Studies conducted over the last fifty years or so show that children brought up by a mother and a father are less likely to become druggies or become involved in crime than children brought up by single parents or by gay parents. The same studies also show that MARRIED mothers and fathers are more beneficial for children than parents who are unmarried.

It is traditional STRAIGHT marriage that needs to be encouraged and all moves to legalise gay marriage in Britain need to be resisted. If the Left think that those who oppose their policy of legalising gay marriage are bigots then so be it. But, at the end of the day, it's the Left and all those others who support gay marriage who are wrong.

Edited September 12, 2012 by TheLastLazyGun

[TheLastLazyGun]

Yes, the 'left' do indeed dislike bigots and racists.

I was referring to the fact that the Left ignorantly and instinctively refers to anyone who opposes their policies, no matter how wrong and detrimental to society those policies are, as "bigots" or "racists."

In 2010 the then Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown called an elderly lady "a bigotted woman" just because she dared to ask him what his government would do to curb immigration if they won the election. Along with Europe, immigration is THE biggest concern for the British people, yet the odious Mr Brown just dismissed her - and therefore the vast majority of the British people - as a bigot. So he revealed, as Mr Clegg has just done, what the nasty Left really think of the majority of British people.

And Labour and its supporters wonder why they lost that election.

Edited September 12, 2012 by TheLastLazyGun

[None of the above]

p***ed of voters of any political persuasion vote UKIP or BNP when they feel as though none of the three major parties are listening to their concerns on things such as the EU or immigration. I voted UKIP at the last European Elections and, should the Government not give us the referendum on whether or not Britain should stay in the EU by the time the next election comes along in 2015, then I will vote UKIP in that election, too.

You voted UKIP?

Imagine my suprise.

We're not talking about a tiny minority of people who feel like throwing their vote away in some local election. When it comes to General Elections, the Left don't vote for far-right, fascist or neo Nazi parties.

The Lib-Dems have committed political suicide with this pact with the hated Tories and the vast majority of their lost votes will go to the left, not the right.

Voting Lib-Dem in the last election WAS a protest vote for a fair number of dissolusioned Labour voters who'd seen their party move further to the right than the Lib-Dems were positioned and who disliked Blair and Brown probobly almost as much as you did.

So essentially what the Lib-Dems have managed to do is destroy their own party's support while helping Labour to win in 2015.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Atlantia

[None of the above]

I wouldnt expect someone who doesnt have British blood flowing through their veins to feel patriotic over the empire. Every time a referendum is called for to get rid of the Queen the vast majority of Austrailians reject it. In their hearts they know they are British.

Their Head of State is the Queen. She holds executive power and is the head of their armed forces as is the case here in the UK. She can dissolve their Parliament if she wished. She should do and then we can reunite.

But you did say that Australians are 'British'?

You said: "I'm talking about British people - England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Canadians, Americans, Austrailians and New Zealanders"

Would they have to undergo some kind of 'British purity test' to be a part of your new Reich sorry 'Empire'?

Edited September 12, 2012 by Atlantia

[TheLastLazyGun]

Australia has been a self determined nation for over a century now and we're better off for it.

How do you know? There's no way of knowing what Australia would be like now had it still been part of the British Empire.

You Australians seem to forget that, on a per capita basis, Australia was the richest country in the world when it was part of the British Empire.

And what happened when we set you free? You treated the natives Aborigines like dirt and refsued to even give them the vote until the 19th Century.

We aren't British at all, even if the majority of the blood in this country comes from the British isles.

You are mainly British. Most of you are of British descent; you speak Britain's language; your system of governance is based on Britain's; you even have the Union Flag in the top left hand corner of your flag.

We as a people move forward instead of trying to cling to past glory

That's because Australia doesn't really have any past glories.

if people want self determination then give it to them.

Why is it alright for Australia or the USA to become independent, self-governing sovereign states but when any British person says they want their country to leave the EU and for Britain to become an independent, self-governing sovereign state again they are dismissed by the nutty Left as "bigots"?

the republican voice in this country is strong, and will only get stronger when Queen Elizabeth is gone.

So what? That's your problem, not ours.

All you need is a bit of electoral reform and to get rid of that archaic House of Lords.

Get rid of the upper house of Parliament which is there to keep the Commons in check? Are you mad?

Edited September 12, 2012 by TheLastLazyGun

[TheLastLazyGun]

You voted UKIP?

Yep. And so did 2,498,225 other people whose votes ensured that UKIP finished SECOND in the UK's component of the 2009 European Parliament elections behind the Conservatives (4,198,394 votes) and AHEAD of Labour (with just 2,381,760 votes).

When it comes to General Elections, the Left don't vote for far-right, fascist or neo Nazi parties.

Since when is UKIP a far-right, fascist or Neo Nazi party?

The Lib-Dems have committed political suicide with this pact with the hated Tories

Going off the results of the 2010 General Election and the 2009 European Election the Tories are less hated than Labour.

So essentially what the Lib-Dems have managed to do is destroy their own party's support while helping Labour to win in 2015.

Labour to win in 2015? I think you are slightly getting ahead of yourself. Three years is a long time in politics.

[None of the above]

Yep. And so did 2,498,225 other people whose votes ensured that UKIP finished SECOND in the UK's component of the 2009 European Parliament elections behind the Conservatives (4,198,394 votes) and AHEAD of Labour (with just 2,381,760 votes).

Since when is UKIP a far-right, fascist or Neo Nazi party?

Going off the results of the 2010 General Election and the 2009 European Election the Tories are less hated than Labour.

Labour to win in 2015? I think you are slightly getting ahead of yourself. Three years is a long time in politics.

Don't make the mistake of thinking for one second that the Euro Election results would be translatable to a General Election.

And I did specify 'General Election' in my post.

UKIP is a right wing Nationalist party, the BNP are an example of the kind of "far-right, fascist or Neo Nazi party" but neither are parties that the 'left' would vote for in a General Election. Perhaps I should have made that clearer.

As I say, Euro election results are not transferable.

As for the General election of 2010?

Well, I don't think the voters gave either the Tories or the bones of 'New' Labour a ringing endorsement, which is what led us to this situation.

Labout to win in 2015?

Well, I can't imagine even the most ardent Tories are not nervous about another 3 years of unpopular cuts and rising prices?

In 2015 the Left will regroup around Labour to oust the Tories and dull as dishwater Milliband is so 'dull' that people might forget the smugness of the failed Blair New Labour experiment.

Labour has three years to lose the next election. I can't see them doing that.

The Tories have three years to convince Turkeys to vote for Xmas. I can't see that happening.

The Lib Dems are toast.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Atlantia

[Mr Right Wing]

You voted UKIP?

Imagine my suprise.

We're not talking about a tiny minority of people who feel like throwing their vote away in some local election. When it comes to General Elections, the Left don't vote for far-right, fascist or neo Nazi parties.

The Lib-Dems have committed political suicide with this pact with the hated Tories and the vast majority of their lost votes will go to the left, not the right.

Voting Lib-Dem in the last election WAS a protest vote for a fair number of dissolusioned Labour voters who'd seen their party move further to the right than the Lib-Dems were positioned and who disliked Blair and Brown probobly almost as much as you did.

So essentially what the Lib-Dems have managed to do is destroy their own party's support while helping Labour to win in 2015.

If the EU isnt sorted out then my predictions for the 2015 General Election -

1. The Conservatives will lose many seats.

2. The Liberal Democrats will lose nearly all of their seats.

3. Labour will lose a few seats.

4. UKIP will have massive gains.

5. BNP will have good gains.

The driving force will be a public demanding Britain uncouples itself from the EU and they will flock to the two parties that will do it. I predict that the Conservatives will remain in office by entering into a Coalition with UKIP. Will then also enter into a Coaltiion with the BNP if its the only way they can keep power?

[None of the above]

If the EU isnt sorted out then my predictions for the 2015 General Election -

1. The Conservatives will lose many seats.

2. The Liberal Democrats will lose nearly all of their seats.

3. Labour will lose a few seats.

4. UKIP will have massive gains.

5. BNP will have good gains.

The driving force will be a public demanding Britain uncouples itself from the EU and they will flock to the two parties that will do it. I predict that the Conservatives will remain in office by entering into a Coalition with UKIP. Will then also enter into a Coaltiion with the BNP if its the only way they can keep power?

LOL, the Tories in a coalition with UKIP and the BNP! The very thought must be giving you wood! Sadly like so many internet fantasies it's never going to happen in the real world.

Besides, you've got enough direct replies of your own to answer, don't sidestep

Edited September 12, 2012 by Atlantia

[Professor Buzzkill]

Am I reading that right?

You think sisters or brothers should be allowed to marry? Someone needs to call the police on you.

If two men can get married, why not two brothers?

Call the thought police, someones having a debate!

[Mr Right Wing]

If two men can get married, why not two brothers?

Call the thought police, someones having a debate!

Incest is illegal and sick.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Mr Right Wing

[JamieSymptom]

5. BNP will have good gains.

Hahaha! I guess, despite your name, that you haven't been keeping abreast of the fortunes of the BNP in the last couple of years. I will be very surprised if the party even exists in 2015, let alone fields any candidates in a general election.

Your whole post is pretty funny, but that line is the best. Ha!

[Mr Right Wing]

Hahaha! I guess, despite your name, that you haven't been keeping abreast of the fortunes of the BNP in the last couple of years. I will be very surprised if the party even exists in 2015, let alone fields any candidates in a general election.

Your whole post is pretty funny, but that line is the best. Ha!

Look at what happened in the Greece elections before you dismiss it.

People only put up with being unemployed for so long then. Then they vote radical.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Don't make the mistake of thinking for one second that the Euro Election results would be translatable to a General Election.

The fact that an anti-EU party finished second, above Labour, in Britain's section of the European Parliament elections tells you something. It tells you that the British people agree with UKIP that Britain should no longer be in the anti-democracy monstrosity that is the EU and that we should be a free, independent and sovereign state with elected BRITISH people running Britain rather than unelected foreigners.

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UKIP is a right wing Nationalist party,

UKIP aren't a right wing party. Most of their policies certainly don't seem to be that way.

but neither are parties that the 'left' would vote for in a General Election.

A left winger that wants Britain's independence from the EU would vote UKIP. It's for that reason that UKIP does attract left wing voters.

In fact, in May this year, a poll showed that 14% of traditional Lib Dem voters and 11% of traditional Labour voters said they would vote UKIP if there was a General Election soon.

Well, I don't think the voters gave either the Tories or the bones of 'New' Labour a ringing endorsement, which is what led us to this situation.

It's a pity England's not an independent nation. Otherwise the Conservatives would have won in 2010. Labour, yet again, had to rely on their Scottish voters.

Well, I can't imagine even the most ardent Tories are not nervous about another 3 years of unpopular cuts and rising prices?

There's only one party which is to blame for the cuts - Labour. They are the ones who got our country into such huge debt that the current government are having to make the necessary cuts to get rid of that debt. What needs to happen is a serious campaign to drum into the British people that it was the previous Labour Government which are to blame for us having to make these cuts and that these cuts are necessary to cut that debt and that any vote for Labour in the next election will just cause us to spiral into even greater debt.

I can't see them doing that.

I can. People can't forget easily the mess which Labour got us into. It's for that reason why I believe Labour face years in the wilderness like they did in the Eighties and most of the Nineties after the last time the Tories came in to clean up Labour's economic mess.

Edited September 13, 2012 by TheLastLazyGun

[TheLastLazyGun]

LOL, the Tories in a coalition with UKIP and the BNP! The very thought must be giving you wood! Sadly like so many internet fantasies it's never going to happen in the real world.

It's not going to happen is it?

Well, I've got news for you. Just two months ago Nigel Farage visted the Black Country to raise the possibility of forming a Coalition with the Tories at the next election.

In fact, polls show that UKIP are the third most-popular British party, having overtaken the Liberals, and the chances are it will remain that way. UKIP are to become Britain's new third party.

On 16th July, Mr Farage addressed a meeting of around 200 people in Sedgley at the Dormston Sports and Arts Centre. He said he would join forces with the Tories in exchange for a referendum on whether or not Britain should leave the EU.

He also delivered a letter to Downing Street challenging the Prime Minister to a debate on whether or not to give Britain a referendum on EU membership. But he said: “If he gave me a free and fair referendum I would do a deal with anyone, possibly the devil himself.”

He said he believed the party could see its first MP elected at the 2015 General Election and was expecting to increase its number of MEPs in 2014.

Mr Farage said: “The EU costs us £51 million a day. Its regulations and environmental legislation are damaging employment prospects because it encourages manufacturing to be transferred out of this country to the rest of the world.”

http://the-tap.blogs...-coalition.html

In my view, the Tories should have formed a Coalition with UKIP rather than the Liberals back in 2010 and Cameron should have made Farage the Foreign Secretary.

Still, there's always 2015.

Edited September 13, 2012 by TheLastLazyGun

[TheLastLazyGun]

Hahaha! I guess, despite your name, that you haven't been keeping abreast of the fortunes of the BNP in the last couple of years. I will be very surprised if the party even exists in 2015, let alone fields any candidates in a general election.

Your whole post is pretty funny, but that line is the best. Ha!

Is that the same BNP which has done BETTER with each successive General Election?

In the 2010 General Election the BNP got more votes than the Greens, yet the Greens got their first ever MP and the BNP didn't. So it's only a matter of time before the first BNP MP is elected.

[JamieSymptom]

Look at what happened in the Greece elections before you dismiss it.

People only put up with being unemployed for so long then. Then they vote radical.

Is that the same BNP which has done BETTER with each successive General Election?

In the 2010 General Election the BNP got more votes than the Greens, yet the Greens got their first ever MP and the BNP didn't. So it's only a matter of time before the first BNP MP is elected.

I'll take both of these posts as confirmation that "No", you don't know what's happened to the BNP over the last couple of years.

The infighting? The splits? The mounting debt? The haemorraghing of members?

In the paltry few recent elections they've even been able to stand a candidate, the far-right vote has been split with the NF, BFP, ED etc all standing as well. Very few deposits have been returned.

And please, anyone who thinks the BNP did BETTER in the 2010 election is sorely lacking context. The only way they can be described as doing better, is that they did better than a party that doesn't exist. Slightly.

They lost nearly all their councillors in that election, and the bitter defeat that they obviously weren't expecting is widely regarded as the cause of all the subsequent wranglings.

Like I say, we'll see if the party even exists in 2015.

[keithisco]

I was referring to the fact that the Left ignorantly and instinctively refers to anyone who opposes their policies, no matter how wrong and detrimental to society those policies are, as "bigots" or "racists."

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..also the fact that anyone who opposes the extreme right wing, and downright Fascist policies that you espouse are instinctively referred to as Communists!! Muppet

[None of the above]

The fact that an anti-EU party finished second, above Labour, in Britain's section of the European Parliament elections tells you something. It tells you that the British people agree with UKIP that Britain should no longer be in the anti-democracy monstrosity that is the EU and that we should be a free, independent and sovereign state with elected BRITISH people running Britain rather than unelected foreigners.

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As I keep telling you, Euro election results transferable to general election: NO CHANCE. If you want to exaggerate the problems of the EU because of your personal bias then that's par for the course for the raving right really.

UKIP aren't a right wing party. Most of their policies certainly don't seem to be that way.

UKIP Aren't right wing? LOL, you're so far to the right that you can't recognise anything to the left of you as kin.

A left winger that wants Britain's independence from the EU would vote UKIP. It's for that reason that UKIP does attract left wing voters.

In fact, in May this year, a poll showed that 14% of traditional Lib Dem voters and 11% of traditional Labour voters said they would vote UKIP if there was a General Election soon.

You are confusing people who have voted Labour with the 'Left'. Labour or 'New Labour' has been a centre party for two decades now.

The 'Left' have been dissolusioned with it for a long time.

The vast majority of 'Left wingers' would not consider abandoning all of their other deeply held beliefs to vote UKIP on the strength of one issue, knowing that UKIP are little more than the right wing of the Tories without the bonus of European Union membership.

It's a pity England's not an independent nation. Otherwise the Conservatives would have won in 2010. Labour, yet again, had to rely on their Scottish voters.

Indeed! As someone who survived the Thatcher era I raised many a glass to my Scottish comrades on election nights as I watched the map turn blue over England and Red over Scotland.

There's only one party which is to blame for the cuts - Labour. They are the ones who got our country into such huge debt that the current government are having to make the necessary cuts to get rid of that debt. What needs to happen is a serious campaign to drum into the British people that it was the previous Labour Government which are to blame for us having to make these cuts and that these cuts are necessary to cut that debt and that any vote for Labour in the next election will just cause us to spiral into even greater debt.

Perhaps you could try subliminal advertising or some other form of brain washing/ mind control?

Failing that the Tories will just have to take their medicine next election night.

I can. People can't forget easily the mess which Labour got us into. It's for that reason why I believe Labour face years in the wilderness like they did in the Eighties and most of the Nineties after the last time the Tories came in to clean up Labour's economic mess.

*Yawn* Nothing new in that tired rhetoric.

The truth is that there are plenty who will never forget the way that the Tories under Thatcher tore the heart out of this country.

Edited September 13, 2012 by Atlantia

[TheLastLazyGun]

As I keep telling you, Euro election results transferable to general election: NO CHANCE.

Yeah? Prove it. I think there'll be a good chance of that happening should we not get the EU in/out referendum which we were promised.

If you want to exaggerate the problems of the EU because of your personal bias then that's par for the course for the raving right really.

I'm not exaggerating the problems of the EU. Most of us know the problems that the EU has caused this great country over the years. That's why the British people want the EU in/out referendum and why our leaders - who are scared of what the answer will be - refuse to give it to us.

UKIP Aren't right wing?

Nope. Try looking at their policies and you'll see that I'm right.

Indeed! As someone who survived the Thatcher era I raised many a glass to my Scottish comrades on election nights as I watched the map turn blue over England and Red over Scotland.

I raise my glass to the 36.1% of people who were sensible enough to vote for the Conservatives at the last election and take pity on the mere 29.0% of people who voted Labour.

I raise my glass to the fact that the Tories got the most votes in England and that Labour only did as well as they did in the UK as a whole thanks to their Scottish voters, and I therefore long for the day when Scotland gets its independence so it can stop foisting an unwanted Labour Government onto the rest of us and giving us a country in which we will always have a Tory Government with Labour never having a cat in hell's chance of winning any election.

Edited September 16, 2012 by TheLastLazyGun

[TheLastLazyGun]

Gaffe: The press release sent from Mr Clegg's office described those who oppose same-sex unions as 'bigots'

The truth is that it is he who consistently displays the intolerance and resistance to reasoned argument that we associate with bigotry. Mr Clegg, who champions liberal causes and regards himself as a liberal, himself behaves like a bigot.

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz26wSPbyq7

Edited September 20, 2012 by Saru
Trimmed for length

[None of the above]

Yeah? Prove it. I think there'll be a good chance of that happening should we not get the EU in/out referendum which we were promised.

LOl I don't have to prove anything, the facts speak for themselves.

I'm not exaggerating the problems of the EU. Most of us know the problems that the EU has caused this great country over the years. That's why the British people want the EU in/out referendum and why our leaders - who are scared of what the answer will be - refuse to give it to us..

Then what is it? Blindness to the facts?

Would you rather we we're simply a puppet of the USA or would you have us cling to some misguided dream of past glory?

Nope. Try looking at their policies and you'll see that I'm right.

Really? What UKIP policies would you regard as 'left wing'?

I raise my glass to the 36.1% of people who were sensible enough to vote for the Conservatives at the last election and take pity on the mere 29.0% of people who voted Labour.

I raise my glass to the fact that the Tories got the most votes in England and that Labour only did as well as they did in the UK as a whole thanks to their Scottish voters, and I therefore long for the day when Scotland gets its independence so it can stop foisting an unwanted Labour Government onto the rest of us and giving us a country in which we will always have a Tory Government with Labour never having a cat in hell's chance of winning any election.

Pray for Scottish independance. Pray that the Tory dream of greed and selfish self interest keeps enough of the voting populace reciting the Thacherite mantra of "I'm alright jack" each time they put an 'X' in the box.

But most of all, pray that the Labour party doesn't remember it's core values and return to it's true left-wing roots

Edited September 19, 2012 by Atlantia

[shadowhive]

I find myself incredibly troubled by much of what I've seen here. I'll give my thoughts.

First, imigration. The basic reason why imigration isn't put to a vote is actually quite simple: some people want to go too far with it and would vote without actually thinking of the consequences. Would it be enough for some people tostop imigration all together? No it wouldn't, they'd want the ones already here out (which would create holes ininfrastructure that would take awhile to fill) and second that people would want anyone that's not white out, which is a road we must never go down.

The EU is a similar problem. People seem to want to be out of it without thinking.

And then you get a comment like this:

I'm a Conservative and have always voted blue for seats inside this country.

I love my country and my people, I'm patriotic, I'm Eurosceptic, I'm against immigration, I'm militaristic, pro-Christain, anti-gay weddings, industrialistic, think lots of things should be privatised, believe in low taxes, believe in small government and think we should annex Austrailia, Canada and New Zealand back into the empire. Sod it, we should wait for the US to become weak no matter if it takes a couple of centuries and annex them back into the empire too.

Of course, there's many, many things wrong with that (and I'm not going to bother going through all the reasons why he's wrong). The one I'll focus on is the contradiction there.

I'm patriotic. I love my country and it's people. But, unlike Mr Right Wing and others, I don't add a little note after that saying except x, y,z, I hate those people. People that want same sex marriage, they're British too. They love this country and it's people, but to people like Mr Right Wing and others, that doesn't seem to matter does it?

You have to stop living in the past and actually think of the future.

Lastly what I really hate is that this is all because of something he didn't even say. To be honest, I think he should've said it because it's true. Especially from the rligious side that don't seem to be able to understand that this is about civil marriage. You know, marriages that they have NOTHING to do with. It would be like the catholics trying to get a law put in saying that divorcees could marry. The catholic church can say that sure, but when they cross the line into trying to get everyone to do it too, that's a problem. And that's what this whole thing is. The church trying to get everyone to do what it wants on an issue that's got nothing to do with it.

Edited September 20, 2012 by shadowhive