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White House knew 2 hrs after attack started

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I think she removed certain posts, including mine, because of name calling and the over all vileness of some of the posts. This isn't an adult forum. But, as adults we should be able to conduct ourselves without sinking into the gutter. What is unacceptable ....and is spelled out in the rules...is that flaming is disallowed. Sometimes in the heat of discussion it happens...but when it happens regularly enough it becomes detrimental to the entire thread and bodes badly for UM in general.

This...and thank you joc :)

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See that's your problem. The initial premise is wrong. Obama even said it was a terrorist attack in his public comments thereafter. And why this is somehow important to you is beyond me. What difference is it that it's "terrorists" as opposed to criminals or any other appellation?

Either way it's not optimal.

will you STOP listening to faux news. He said it was an act of terror at his public comments the very next day. And no, it makes no difference if he said terrorist or pedophile.

Yes stop listening to faux news, just watch ten second clips out of context on mediamatters.org.

The best analogy I've heard regarding coverage of Benghazi is that for the media to side with Obama would be like Woodward and Bernstein helping Nixon cover up for Watergate.

what conspiracy are your flogging now? Because nothing like that occured.

Top story on media matters:

As Economic Growth Expands, A Fox Analyst Reaches For Conspiracy Theories

Too perfect. What do mean the economy's in trouble? Tin foil hat time!

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in related news:

Libya Warnings Were Plentiful, but Unspecific

WASHINGTON — In the months leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks on the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, the Obama administration received intelligence reports that Islamic extremist groups were operating training camps in the mountains near the Libyan city and that some of the fighters were “Al Qaeda-leaning,” according to American and European officials.

The warning about the camps was part of a stream of diplomatic and intelligence reports that indicated that the security situation throughout the country, and particularly in eastern Libya, had deteriorated sharply since the United States reopened its embassy in Tripoli after the fall of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s government in September 2011.

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and then

All the evidence will eventually come out OR there will be hell to pay. This one isn't going to fit under the rug - too crowded under there as it is - so they may as well 'fess up while there's some chance of avoiding impeachment. This is what happens when a politician is treated like he's deity by the press.

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joc

NY Times said:

Libya Warnings Were Plentiful, but Unspecific

WASHINGTON — In the months leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks on the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, the Obama administration received intelligence reports that Islamic extremist groups were operating training camps in the mountains near the Libyan city and that some of the fighters were “Al Qaeda-leaning,” according to American and European officials.

The warning about the camps was part of a stream of diplomatic and intelligence reports that indicated that the security situation throughout the country, and particularly in eastern Libya, had deteriorated sharply since the United States reopened its embassy in Tripoli after the fall of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s government in September 2011.

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How much more specific does one need to be? The Obama Administration was negligent in protecting our Embassy. Why? That is the big question that will be answered eventually.

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How much more specific does one need to be? The Obama Administration was negligent in protecting our Embassy. Why? That is the big question that will be answered eventually.

Because Congress did not allow the money to protect it, maybe?

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joc

Because Congress did not allow the money to protect it, maybe?

Wrrrrrrong. Try again.

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Wrrrrrrong. Try again.

You mean they did approve the means to build housing for marines and a defensive wall? Rrrrreally?

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You mean they did approve the means to build housing for marines and a defensive wall? Rrrrreally?

You mean you have to go before Congress to get permission to move Marines from point A to point B?

That is ridiculous and you know it. The bottom line is...this 'question' isn't going to be answered in these forum pages...it is going to answered within the halls of Congress...it isn't going away..it just isn't. It is too big.

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You mean you have to go before Congress to get permission to move Marines from point A to point B?

That is ridiculous and you know it. The bottom line is...this 'question' isn't going to be answered in these forum pages...it is going to answered within the halls of Congress...it isn't going away..it just isn't. It is too big.

You need a place to house them, you need a place to cook for them, you need a place so they can build their defensive structures. And the request for more marines, while approved" was lost "somewhere" in the DoD bureaucracy. One has to admit that the Department of defense needs to be cleaned up and reduced in size... but for that one would need Congress (that lately, sadly, sadly is dysfunctional).

There are only two types of people who try to gain political capital out of this: Those who don't really know what happened and those willing to walk over corpses (even over the corpse of the USA) to gain some political capital. What kind are you?

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You need a place to house them, you need a place to cook for them, you need a place so they can build their defensive structures. And the request for more marines, while approved" was lost "somewhere" in the DoD bureaucracy. One has to admit that the Department of defense needs to be cleaned up and reduced in size... but for that one would need Congress (that lately, sadly, sadly is dysfunctional).

There are only two types of people who try to gain political capital out of this: Those who don't really know what happened and those willing to walk over corpses (even over the corpse of the USA) to gain some political capital. What kind are you?

All it takes is an order. Apparently you have no idea how flexible our troops are. They can go anywhere in a heartbeat minute with whatever they have. Blame the Congress...doesn't cut it. Americans are just plain sick and tired of the blame game from this administration. People died...and Obama lied...and Hillary lied...and Rice lied...and they are still lying. But go ahead and carry their water for them. Not many are buying what you are selling.

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All it takes is an order. Apparently you have no idea how flexible our troops are. They can go anywhere in a heartbeat minute with whatever they have. Blame the Congress...doesn't cut it. Americans are just plain sick and tired of the blame game from this administration. People died...and Obama lied...and Hillary lied...and Rice lied...and they are still lying. But go ahead and carry their water for them. Not many are buying what you are selling.

I don't blame anybody except the Islamist.

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I don't blame anybody except the Islamist.

I'll take that one. But...let's say there is a bully on a certain corner...and you have to go by that corner everyday...and everyday he is threatening you...and then one day...as you walk by, you notice there are alot of the bully's friends with him. If they beat you up, well, yeah, you can say they are to blame...and they are...but you knew you were going to get beat up and did nothing to protect yourself. Who's fault then is it that you got beat up? You can say you blame the bullies...and yet...somehow, somewhere, you gotta take some of the blame on yourself. But let's go a step further and say, you call 911, and they refuse to respond. Then who's fault is it?

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Merc14

You need a place to house them, you need a place to cook for them, you need a place so they can build their defensive structures. And the request for more marines, while approved" was lost "somewhere" in the DoD bureaucracy. One has to admit that the Department of defense needs to be cleaned up and reduced in size... but for that one would need Congress (that lately, sadly, sadly is dysfunctional).

There are only two types of people who try to gain political capital out of this: Those who don't really know what happened and those willing to walk over corpses (even over the corpse of the USA) to gain some political capital. What kind are you?

So all 4 died because congress didn't build barracks for marines in Libya. You're really reaching here. Let's make this simple. Why, when Clinton, the Ambassador and the head of the SST all requested enhanced security, did the order come down to reduce securirty including the removal of the SST? BTW, if the SST had been left in place they probably could've driven off the attackers but that is just conjecture at this point.

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So all 4 died because congress didn't build barracks for marines in Libya. You're really reaching here. Let's make this simple. Why, when Clinton, the Ambassador and the head of the SST all requested enhanced security, did the order come down to reduce securirty including the removal of the SST? BTW, if the SST had been left in place they probably could've driven off the attackers but that is just conjecture at this point.

All four died because the Islamist attacked them and everybody, at all levels, failed to foresee that eventuality, including Congress, or if you want it down to party lines: both Democrats and Republicans.

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All four died because the Islamist attacked them and everybody, at all levels, failed to foresee that eventuality, including Congress, or if you want it down to party lines: both Democrats and Republicans.

It isn't 'everybodies' responsibility...you are just trying to water it all down...it isn't working. It would be one thing to say People Died...but Obama, Clinton, and Rice all knew that the movie bs was just that...bs. So, People died...Obama lied. Why? Why did Obama lie?

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It isn't 'everybodies' responsibility...you are just trying to water it all down...it isn't working. It would be one thing to say People Died...but Obama, Clinton, and Rice all knew that the movie bs was just that...bs. So, People died...Obama lied. Why? Why did Obama lie?

Obama said exactly what the initial intelligence reports, linked to on several threads here, said. There is no way of knowing that he was saying something not factual on purpose. It took the CIA more than 24 hours to establish what had happened.

Now you might want to ask them why they can't find their ar$e in the dark.

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Obama said exactly what the initial intelligence reports, linked to on several threads here, said. There is no way of knowing that he was saying something not factual on purpose. It took the CIA more than 24 hours to establish what had happened.

Now you might want to ask them why they can't find their ar$e in the dark.

That is factually incorrect....they were watching it happen in real time..they had communications in real time...and the initial reports said NOTHING about a youtube video...that was a lie...why? why did he lie? What was he hiding?

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That is factually incorrect....they were watching it happen in real time..they had communications in real time...and the initial reports said NOTHING about a youtube video...that was a lie...why? why did he lie? What was he hiding?

The initial reports said nothing about a Islamist attack, and they were not watching it real time as we all know that the drone got there when the **** had already hit the fan and no intelligence, beyond a chaos on the ground, could be gathered. At the time all were making provisions for a demonstration that got out of control.

Repeating inaccuracies will not make them true, even of you have been corrected on them for the 10th time now. And if I will refrain to answer that BoolKrappy from now on is not because it happened miraculous to be true all the sudden, it is just that you either don't want to learn or you will insist in repeating inaccuracies as long as it is not about Republicans.

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Merc14

All four died because the Islamist attacked them and everybody, at all levels, failed to foresee that eventuality, including Congress, or if you want it down to party lines: both Democrats and Republicans.

Stop with the congress meme, it isn't relevant as it doesn't take an act of congress to reenforce a small security team,. Also, stop with the no one foresaw this happening, that is also patently false. There were multiple requests for increased security due to the rise in violence and likelihood of an attack and both the Red Cross and Brits foresaw an attack as inevitable and pulled their people out. Do you think the Brits, Red Cross and Americans aren't talking in Libya? If you'd deign to watch Fox News you'd see the head of the SST saying they foresaw an attack of some kind in the future, hence the multiple requests for increased security.

It is not even arguable that this attack wasn't predicted, sevreral different agenices predicted it. Congress authorizing funds or not isn't relevant to what happened here because they don't assign the SST's and State has funding for their own security. Plus, an amphib group could've been parked off shore and a marine FAST could've been dropped in the area very easily and they don't need barracks and mess halls.

There was a purely political reason security was pulled instead of enhanced and you know what it is, don't you?

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The initial reports said nothing about a Islamist attack, and they were not watching it real time as we all know that the drone got there when the **** had already hit the fan and no intelligence, beyond a chaos on the ground, could be gathered. At the time all were making provisions for a demonstration that got out of control.

Repeating inaccuracies will not make them true, even of you have been corrected on them for the 10th time now. And if I will refrain to answer that BoolKrappy from now on is not because it happened miraculous to be true all the sudden, it is just that you either don't want to learn or you will insist in repeating inaccuracies as long as it is not about Republicans.

Well, the name of this thread says it all really...

White House knew 2 hrs after attack started

They knew they were being attacked...they WERE watching it happen...and they did nothing...when requests for help came in, they gave the order to Stand Down. Why? Were they hiding something? Why didn't they send help?

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Well, the name of this thread says it all really...

White House knew 2 hrs after attack started

They knew they were being attacked...they WERE watching it happen...and they did nothing...when requests for help came in, they gave the order to Stand Down. Why? Were they hiding something? Why didn't they send help?

If it was a demonstration turned violent they could not do nothing, that would have been the Libyan police that should have taken control of the situation, unless the US wanted to cause a warlike incident there. What part of that does not enter that piece of hickory where others have a brain?

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Because Congress did not allow the money to protect it, maybe?

Not speaking to you directly, but if congress can approve of $500M to foreign car co Fisker and $800,000 to teach South African men how to wash their balls and there most certainly is funding for just incase scenarios I fail to accept any excuse. You present this defense as if congress sticks to a 'to the penny' budget in the first place. I can't accept that there is not several thousand or even several hundred thousand dollars lying around to transport a few already active troops a few miles here or there.

Btw, from the looks of your recent posts, it seems like you're running out of gas on this issue and pride is the only thing stopping you from agreeing with Joc and Merc. I feel you're seeing the light of the lies but can't quite admit it.

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If it was a demonstration turned violent they could not do nothing, that would have been the Libyan police that should have taken control of the situation, unless the US wanted to cause a warlike incident there. What part of that does not enter that piece of hickory where others have a brain?

Then why did he run around all over the place telling America it was caused by a youtube video? You just cannot escape that question can you?

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Then why did he run around all over the place telling America it was caused by a youtube video? You just cannot escape that question can you?

I called that video business out for the nonsense it was the day after it supposedly sparked these wildfires of rage throughout the Middle East, when everyone else was taking the silly story as Gospel because yep, they heard about it in the Media.

Why don't you answer your own question, btw?

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