What did we learn in this election?

[MissMelsWell]

Problem is that people went to the Polls and voted based on wanting Gay Marriage and Welfare and they should have voted based on what was needed to repair the economny and make the nation strong again.

So now we have Gays being allowed to marry and we are headed for a 20 trillion dollar cliff with poor credit ratings.

Way to use your head and vote on things that really matter.

Too many selfish people in this nation.

So have we figured out yet why people went to the polls based on same sex marriage, women's health and other moral dilemas? We did that because the GOP forced us into it with their lunatic ranting and ravings about those very topics! Then they offered no concrete solutions about fixing the economy (other than to whine that they don't want universal health care!) America voted Blue because we're sending a message to the Red team that they need to get their act together and start coming up with a REAL platform. Not FoxNews hate mongering.

OH, and by the way, I can assure you there are more people in the red states on welfare than there are in the blue states.You can't convince me there are fewer people Mississippi and Alabama on welfare than there are in Washington and Colorado for example. Sorry.

[Order66]

Isn't that exacttly what you are doing?

Now we are talking about me? I didn't run for president Tricky Dick but as for a message, I do share Romney's vision of the American dream as quest for excellence rather than a quest to to make losers and failures feel better about themselves. I don't sneer at people who want to better themselves while I capitalize on their success.

And yes I am judgemental. Do you know why Obama hates the military? Because if you put him on an obstacle course, he can't talk his way over the wall. He can't take the easy way around and then lie about how he got there. If you judge his performance against others based on objective criteria, he knows where he will fall on the list. If there are winners and losers in the game, he knows which category he will fall into.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Vein Capital

[Lilly]

... If there are winners and losers in the game, he knows which category he will fall into.

Not sure what "game" you're referring to but Mr. Obama did indeed win the Presidential election. Like it or not that's the reality. Personally, I would suggest that a mature/gracious acceptance of the situation would be far more productive.

[F3SS]

So what shall I do? Not vote? Who promotes my beliefs?

Sorry, I do not think I am familiar with MSM or at least that acronym

Oddly enough there was the Socialist Party listed on the ballot. I suppose someone should tell them that party already exists? And since you consider yourself a Constitutionalist, shall I assume you voted for Goode, the presidential canidate for the Constitution Party? Or did you do like everyone else and just vote Dem or Repub even though they may not match many or most of your views? Are you a hypocrite, or were you one of the 2% of people that actually voted for the party they believe in? If you did actually vote for that party, much respect to ya.

No, my side does not have an issue with the government stepping in and correcting oppression and injustice. It happened for slavery, women's rights, American Indian rights, the right for inter-racial marriage, and now gay marriage. I believe it is the government's job to enforce the rights granted in the Constitution. We are not the ones saying government should not be involved.

Yes, it is rough...sometimes you just need a break from it...it can be overwhelming. We may not have the perfect system, but it is one of the better ones in the world...

MSM...MainStreamMedia

The marriage thing... How about this? Marriage as a religious institution goes by the churches views. A priest shouldn't be forced to marry two dudes because of law. A marriage by a judge goes by whatever the state law allows. I don't know if those are even a factor in the issues but that sounds fair to me.

Exactly how much foreign aid do you think we do? I'll wait. The answer is very little. It's hardly worth talking about.

That's a big problem I have with your mindset. Every single government monetary issue is a pittance, except military. When you add up all the pittances it gets pretty significant. You also mention that its our humanitarian duty. First, aiding the enemy isn't humanitarian, especially towards Americans. Pakistan isn't worthy of a dollar from us. Second, that's all well and good but if you can't afford it you can't afford it. I'll concede to military cuts. Do the Ron Paul thing. Rid most of our embassies, bring our troops home and secure our parameters in such a way that foreign birds would be afraid to cross our airspace. We need to buck up and take care of number one. You always say we need to change with the times and our time as the worlds food bank and savior needs to end for a few decades at least.

A random thought before I got to bed...

So we are made up of takers and makers or moochers and enablers...here is my question...

Where do YOU (as in the people on this forum) fall?

Are you a maker and an enabler? Do you employ people or create jobs?

If you do not, you are a taker and a moocher...

I only imagine we have a website full of business owners...

This is the problem with Ann Coulter and others that follow her beliefs. They seem to think that you are either a business owner or a moocher and apparently she seems to think that business owners are around 50% of the population. I don't know what kind of businesses she is familiar with, but in the world I live in, workers (or moochers) out number employers by a large number...then again, I don't live in the Bubble...

Yes, yes and yes.

Takers and makers is just a sour grapes statement that I have been and still will be guilty of. I know the entire democrat party, voters I mean, aren't takers but many are. When big government is the message, well how's that gonna look? Big government is viewed by many as a means to live on and definitely requires money to be Taken from my paycheck . It's definitely a trend. Remember OWS. Their whole message, well what could be deciphered, was I'm entitled to this and that and if I don't get it I'm gonna take it from whoever has it. The Obama phone lady, the I'm getting money from Obamas stash lady, the I don't have to worry about my rent, gas or bills because I voted for Obama lady, the lady that asked Obama for a new kitchen who turned out to own multiple homes... Those are takers and that is a bad stigma attached to the democrat party.

I consider anyone with a job a maker first and foremost. I consider anyone who goes out of their way to receive otherwise uneccessary government help a taker, employed or not. I do not consider people who really require temporary or even permanent gov assistance as a taker so long as it is actually needed. I do not consider unemployement benefit receivers takers so long as they make honest attempts to get back to work. I do not consider welfare recipients takers so long as it not made into a way of life. There are multigenerational welfare families out there in far too large of numbers and that transcends race btw. If that's not taking I don't know what is and it's a sure bet that if they vote they vote D.

I don't think it's the republican mantra to take things away from people. I think it's more like they just aren't going to give everybody everything they want. You may say that's hateful, I may call it tough love. Or maybe not. How about this? I see the Republican Party was more like standing by conviction and the Democrat Party as a pandering bunch albeit generous with blissful ignorance of finance so long as they catch a vote.

All the right wing radio talking heads are talking about now is how to change their message to reach out to minorities and special interest groups. They have plenty of minorities holding offices already, more than dems I believe, so they don't understand what else they can do but feel they do need to change the message. Well convictions are convictions and even if the Republican Party is doomed I say die with honor doing what you believe in. If the message is going to change well then that's not really going to be the Republican Party or a rose by any other name. That would be a brand new party, well almost but I think y'all see what I mean.

About the rape comment guy... seriously people, do you really believe that is a message held dear by the entire Republican Party? C'mon? That was a guy out in left field and lost deservingly. Any intelligent being ought to be able to discern a freak in the crowd the same as many of us who listen to talk radio and watch FOX don't take everything and every view expressed to heart. Ann Coulter has good points sometimes but that doesn't mean her every word is gobbled up. Frankly, she's annoying and I don't care much for her. I like Rush and Hannity and the like but I don't share all of their passion or fall for all of their sensationalism.

Anyway...Hutton, not all of this is directed towards you nor am I looking for you to directly respond, but if you wish. Sometimes I start small and get carried away with thought as I type. See, I can make long posts too! But one more thing below...

Dependent on the government for survival? Really?

Isn't that one of the greatest points dems try to make especially when lashing out on the heartless righties? If all the government programs are cut or removed I clearly recall being asked what about the poor and the sick and women's health? They'll be on the streets hungry and sick and dying. Isn't obamacare supposed to be the government ensuring your well being and survival?

Btw,

I'll get back to you in pm later. I told you we can get along but we will butt heads.

[MysticStrummer]

Sure Romney had a message. It just changed according to who he was speaking with at the time. You can find a clip of him having every viewpoint about every issue. Classic politician. The Republican party needs to take a long look in the mirror, after selecting him as their candidate. I saw his speech at the RNC as he stood up there and said absolutely nothing substantial... to thunderous applause. It was downright surreal. I felt like I was watching a parody on Saturday Night Live or Onion TV. I felt the same after that first debate when he was declared the winner. His winning strategy? Simply denying or changing his mind about many of the things he had said before. I'm amazed the election was so close, but that's what happens when people don't pay attention. By the way, "paying attention" doesn't mean getting all your news from one clearly biased source, whatever that source may be. Do your own research and look at multiple sources. It takes some time but it's time well spent if you want to be informed.

[MysticStrummer]

I think I've posted in this thread twice now without answering the OP.

If there's one basic thing to be learned from this election, it's that neither side seems to care that their party and candidate lie to them often.

Stop allowing them to play Divide and Conquer.

[F3SS]

Republican party needs to take a long look in the mirror, after selecting him as their candidate.

That's apparently all true if they want to win the big one but its not like the dynamics have changed drastically recently. The results were nearly identical to 2008 and both parties actually lost a lot of support according to the popular vote. Obama lost 9 million votes and republicans lost less than 2 million. Neither party gained any traction and if anything the dems lost quite a bit. I know, the actual election results don't paint the same picture.

That said, 2016 will paint the the real true picture of the foreseeable future of he country when two fresh faces contend for the office. Please no Romney, no Hillary, no usual suspects. We can only hope. But if the declining popular vote trend holds steady and to scale, meaning the repubs lose 4 million in 8 years and the dems lose 18 million, the repubs will lose a couple more million and the dems will lose many more million putting the repubs back ahead. Just speculation and I doubt it'll happen that way but nothing's impossible. If it were to happen that way that means two things. Either people have lost hope in Washington altogether and don't care to vote at all and/or that's the perfect opportunity for some fresh new third party ideas to figure out how to become known and gain support. There's got to be some reason 12 million less people didn't vote this year. Ehh, maybe they were all highly confident Obama supporters who just knew he'd win anyways.

[WoIverine]

That's apparently all true if they want to win the big one but its not like the dynamics have changed drastically recently. The results were nearly identical to 2008 and both parties actually lost a lot of support according to the popular vote. Obama lost 9 million votes and republicans lost less than 2 million. Neither party gained any traction and if anything the dems lost quite a bit. I know, the actual election results don't paint the same picture.

That said, 2016 will paint the the real true picture of the foreseeable future of he country when two fresh faces contend for the office. Please no Romney, no Hillary, no usual suspects. We can only hope. But if the declining popular vote trend holds steady and to scale, meaning the repubs lose 4 million in 8 years and the dems lose 18 million, the repubs will lose a couple more million and the dems will lose many more million putting the repubs back ahead. Just speculation and I doubt it'll happen that way but nothing's impossible. If it were to happen that way that means two things. Either people have lost hope in Washington altogether and don't care to vote at all and/or that's the perfect opportunity for some fresh new third party ideas to figure out how to become known and gain support. There's got to be some reason 12 million less people didn't vote this year. Ehh, maybe they were all highly confident Obama supporters who just knew he'd win anyways.

Just waiting to see how may Obama supporters change their tune as we approach the fiscal cliff. Doesn't look like those tax cuts are going to be renewed for 2013. 2014 brings the Obamacare tax, Bloomberg's site has an article about an upcoming carbon tax as well. Fun times. We'll get to rub that in though, so no worries man. I think it'll be a good thing, maybe a handful of Americans will finally realize that it pays to stay on top of things before casting a vote. Turn off the TV people.

Edited November 9, 2012 by WoIverine

[ninjadude]

it it will take 320 yrs to pay off without intrest

and?

[ninjadude]

I have a list a mile long of Obama promises that were never met. (Remember Gitmo?)

I have a list of crimes commited that will never be investigated (Fast and Furious?)

I can give you a longer list of promise kept.

FF was investigated and proved to be nothing so much as faux claimed.

[ninjadude]

Do you know why Obama hates the military?

He does no such thing. Another blatant lie.

[ninjadude]

Pakistan isn't worthy of a dollar from us.

ummm nuclear weapons....

[ninjadude]

Just waiting to see how may Obama supporters change their tune as we approach the fiscal cliff. Doesn't look like those tax cuts are going to be renewed for 2013. 2014 brings the Obamacare tax, Bloomberg's site has an article about an upcoming carbon tax as well.

all very excellent things that should happen. The Bush tax cuts are a huge part of the problem, the rich will pay more for healthcare, and carbon taxes are apparently working in Europe.

[F3SS]

and?

Holy crap! That's all? Man you need analyzed.

ummm nuclear weapons....

What are you saying? The biggest player in town has to pay off his adversaries?

[ninjadude]

What are you saying? The biggest player in town has to pay off his adversaries?

of course, what do you think we've been doing for 50 years.

[Etu Malku]

What did we learn during this election?

1.) The biggest point for me is the Tea Party. Republicans, the Tea Party is killing you. Distance yourself from them. I gained a lot of respect for the American people and a bit for the Republican Party as a whole for not electing/re-electing these morons. The worse thing they did was open their mouths. If you are a Tea Partier, please…keep talking in public…

The Tea Party crushed Republican hopes. Republicans thought they would do great in the Senate races but did horrible.

Akin lost horribly to a beatable candidate after his “legitimate rape” comments.

Richard Mourdock was defeated badly after his “all pregnancies are a gift from God” statement.

In Mass, Warren pounded the incumbent Brown after his campaign of personal attacks.

In the House…

Allen West appears to have lost his seat in Florida.

Michele Bachmann nearly lost her seat in the House, winning by less than 4,000 votes or 51% AND this is after making a run for President. (Edit:Putting this on hold for now. It is now 50-50 with Graves leading Bachmann.)

2.) 6 Billion dollars spent on this election and the results were nearly the same as they were 4 years ago…

3.) Saving the auto industry made a difference. Many do not agree with it, but those that were working in it and lived in the areas where the economy was affected would disagree. The auto industry gave Obama Ohio.

4.) Republicans need to take a different approach. This was their last shot. With the economy in the shape it is in, a high unemployment rate, and a soaring national debt, it was their election to win. Times are changing. They need to start catering more to gays, women, and minorities. They need to come back to the center and start working with the Dems.

5.) Fox News is always wrong

But please, please, please, for the sake of America, get along and get things done. Obama is the President for another 4 years and cannot run again. The war is over. Work together and get things done so we can progress into the future.

LOL . . . after you all get Jury Duty, you'll learn NOT to vote again!

[F3SS]

of course, what do you think we've been doing for 50 years.

Insane. Maybe we should break a couple knee caps and let em know who's boss. Works for the mafia.

[WoIverine]

all very excellent things that should happen. The Bush tax cuts are a huge part of the problem, the rich will pay more for healthcare, and carbon taxes are apparently working in Europe.

You willingly want to give the government more of your hard earned salary? Really? Do you even work for a living?

Edited November 9, 2012 by WoIverine

[-M7]

The American people should learn by now, that the president is not fully in charge of the nation.

I'm not saying that the president should be, because history has shown what thats like.

The legislative branch of the US government has too much partisanship that it divides power so that important thing never get done, it will eventually divide the nation.

Edited November 9, 2012 by -M7

[Capt Amerika]

Dependent on the government for survival? Really?

People are selfish...just as you are...

"My policy went up 6% on the very day that the Supreme court decided that Obamacare was legal because it was a tax.

Please stop trying to help me. it isnt working"

That is a quote from you in another thread. See, you are selfish too...you want things to go your way...

If by "my way" you mean govt to just do its job and stay out of the business of taking care of me, yes, you are correct.

How is wanting to be left alone to decide my own fate being selfish? Most would call the concept of shaping your own destiny as being an American.

[Capt Amerika]

Sure Romney had a message. It just changed according to who he was speaking with at the time. You can find a clip of him having every viewpoint about every issue. Classic politician. The Republican party needs to take a long look in the mirror, after selecting him as their candidate. I saw his speech at the RNC as he stood up there and said absolutely nothing substantial... to thunderous applause. It was downright surreal. I felt like I was watching a parody on Saturday Night Live or Onion TV. I felt the same after that first debate when he was declared the winner. His winning strategy? Simply denying or changing his mind about many of the things he had said before. I'm amazed the election was so close, but that's what happens when people don't pay attention. By the way, "paying attention" doesn't mean getting all your news from one clearly biased source, whatever that source may be. Do your own research and look at multiple sources. It takes some time but it's time well spent if you want to be informed.

Kind of like watching Obama turn all gangsta when adressing a group of blacks as opposed to addressing whites.

Talk about a phony.

[Capt Amerika]

I can give you a longer list of promise kept.

FF was investigated and proved to be nothing so much as faux claimed.

Yeah i suppose you are correct.

A dead Border Patrol agent isnt worth raising a stink about.

Even if he WAS shot with weapons illegally sent to Mexico by our own Justice dept.

Nothing to see here folks just move along......

[Capt Amerika]

ummm nuclear weapons....

We have Nuclear weapons, who gives us money?

[Capt Amerika]

The American people should learn by now, that the president is not fully in charge of the nation.

I'm not saying that the president should be, because history has shown what thats like.

The legislative branch of the US government has too much partisanship that it divides power so that important thing never get done, it will eventually divide the nation.

You are correct,

This one has George Soros pulling his strings and has 30+ unelected / unvetted Czars to do his bidding withour any checks and balances.

What a wonderful nation we live in.

[Capt Amerika]

all very excellent things that should happen. The Bush tax cuts are a huge part of the problem, the rich will pay more for healthcare, and carbon taxes are apparently working in Europe.

The Bush tax cuts helped the middle class, now the middle class will be taxed back down to the lower class.

EVERYONE who pays taxes will pay more for healthcare

And this isnt Europe. Keep your green agenda to yourself, it isnt working.

Think however you want but simple fact is that by the end of Obamas 4 years we will be Greece.