Wickian Posted November 14, 2012 #76 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) I suppose it's a decent way to show how split the country is becoming, but nothing good can come from states splitting. It would start a very dangerous precedent. Edited November 14, 2012 by Wickian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 14, 2012 #77 Share Posted November 14, 2012 A hypothetical question :- If Texas did leave, then a foreign power sailed into Galveston or another port and gave an ultimatum, Surrender or we'll take you out.Would America go to their aid, as they have just dumped the rest of the States. If the same happened to Mexico, what would America do? It's in America's best interest to act in that event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayno Posted November 14, 2012 #78 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Looks like there might be a bit of a backlash to all this secession stuff: https://petitions.wh...e-them/ZbMjcwPf If that even passes, which I highly doubt, it looks like me and the other 90,000 people who signed the petition are going on a vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted November 14, 2012 #79 Share Posted November 14, 2012 *evil Professor mode* Does Texas have nukes? What do you think, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor T Posted November 14, 2012 #80 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) What do you think, In keeping with modes of responses on this thread I have two opinions.. *evil professor mode* I think civil war is looming in the states again... Texas will suceed, followed by most other "republican controlled states" after very brief but very agressive actions taken by the Feds against the local government of wisconsin. It wont go nuclear.. But there will be a civil war.. When push comes to shove, things may start turning for the worse, and that's when TPTB will start throwing people in camps if they are of the "wrong mindset" *Normal professor mode* Where there is devision in politics and especially in money, lines are drawn on maps.. While this could signal some serious altercations to come I don't think it will come to war.. But these kind of devisive actions need to be nipped in the bud before they cause real and irriversable actions.. The whole thing is a pathetic red versus blue mind game.. People are neither red nor blue, and it is people that matter, not politics, not money. and people need to see it for what it really is, and not fall into mindless false camps of politics and money. Unfortunately, like most governements, those in power run the camps of politics and bow to money.. Edited to add: Evil professor is flamebaiting for a laugh. & Normal professor only knows the gist of American civil war history.. Edited November 14, 2012 by Professor T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllJay Posted November 14, 2012 #81 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Had the rebellion in the Civil War lasted a longer period of time, with greater victories, then the international stage would have been quite different at the start of the 20th century as they probably would have acknowledged the south as independent.. Or maybe, it would have been something like this>>> [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJJtH_5vcmM[/media] http://en.wikipedia....ates_of_America 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted November 14, 2012 #82 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) The various states opting for secession after the re-election of Obama reminds me how the original rebel states seceded after the election of Lincoln. Not quite, not quite. With Lincoln and the anti-slavery course the South had a real gripe, with Obama it is just sour grapes. The Republicans had the best chance to take the Hill and the White House in more than a century and screwed it up royally. Instead of asking themselves if they are still relevant to those who matter in the elections (or called by the name: the swing voters) they now try to retire to the sulking corner, or at least the more fanatic are. Edited November 14, 2012 by questionmark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted November 14, 2012 #83 Share Posted November 14, 2012 If the same happened to Mexico, what would America do? It's in America's best interest to act in that event. Or not. Sometimes sitting on the fence benefits you more than taking part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 14, 2012 #84 Share Posted November 14, 2012 The truth is...the red states are just very, very, tired of the game...but they are not going to secede...not Texas, nor anyone else.... ...that being said...the spit hasn't hit the fan blades yet either...but the idea that states could secede if they wanted to just goes to show you how naive some are about the power of the Federal Government...like they would ever allow that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted November 14, 2012 #85 Share Posted November 14, 2012 In any case, looks like some of the liberal commentators are starting to form the backlash: The Confederacy of Takers President Obama’s opponents have unwittingly come up with a brilliant plan to avoid the “fiscal cliff.” They want to secede from the union. If Obama were serious about being a good steward of the nation’s finances, he’d let them. The White House, in one of those astro-turf efforts that make people feel warm about small-d democracy, launched a “We the People” program on its Web site last year, allowing Americans to petition their government for a redress of grievances. Any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days is promised a response (though not necessarily a favorable one) from the Obama administration. And so a large number of patriotic Americans, mostly from states won by Mitt Romney last week, have petitioned the White House to let them secede. They should be careful about what they wish for. It would be excellent financial news for those of us left behind if Obama were to grant a number of the rebel states their wish “to withdraw from the United States and create [their] own NEW government” (the petitions emphasize “new” by capitalizing it). Read more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 14, 2012 #86 Share Posted November 14, 2012 The truth is...the red states are just very, very, tired of the game...but they are not going to secede...not Texas, nor anyone else.... Are not the red states equally to blame for the "game", if the "game" is the perpetual us-versus-them game of party partisanship? If the "game", however, is that the People have a say in who they would rather have, out of a very limited and sometimes not particularly enticing choice, do they really have any grounds to complain if the People chose the other party to the one they prefer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 14, 2012 #87 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) * incidentally, I always find the use of Red to denote the Republican party slightly amusing, as of course it's the colour of Socialism. It always makes me think of Joe McCarthy and the Red Menace. "better Dead than Red". * I find that it's only since the contraversial 2000 election that it's become a convention, mainly it seems, for the convenience of the hard of thinking, since according to Archie Tse, a graphics editor at the Noo York Times: "Both Republican and red start with the letter R," he said. Edited November 14, 2012 by 747400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted November 14, 2012 #88 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Just seen a poll on CNN and 53% say that the GOP will be to blame if an agreement over the Fiscal Cliff cannot be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted November 14, 2012 #89 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Just seen a poll on CNN and 53% say that the GOP will be to blame if an agreement over the Fiscal Cliff cannot be reached. Not surprising as it is consistent with those who voted for Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 14, 2012 #90 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I think the questions' very simple really: do the Republican Party believe in the political system in the U.S as it's currently organised? Or would they rather have a perpetual one-party dictatorship, that party, of course, being the Republicans? If they would rather have the latter, then for heaven's sake let 'em spin themselves off into a perpetual dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted November 14, 2012 #91 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I think the questions' very simple really: do the Republican Party believe in the political system in the U.S as it's currently organised? Or would they rather have a perpetual one-party dictatorship, that party, of course, being the Republicans? If they would rather have the latter, then for heaven's sake let 'em spin themselves off into a perpetual dictatorship. You have to admit that since the Election the GOP have been acting in a very infantile manner,a very big bunch of sore losers.Allen West has got to be the biggest crybaby of them all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted November 14, 2012 #92 Share Posted November 14, 2012 There are sore losers but I've seen enough 'sore' winners who've got me turning up my nose at both parties again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted November 14, 2012 #93 Share Posted November 14, 2012 What I find amusing in all of this Sabre - Rattling is that it was a Republican Administration (Dubya Bush) that actually removed the right of Habeaus Corpus - the most basic of all Rights. Having literally just returned from 4 weeks in Florida (everybody needs a vacation ) during voting week, there was none of the extreme partisanship that is being displayed here, except on Fox News which I would watch for the sheer entertainment value alone. Everyone was courteous (in a supermarket I said:"May I just get my Cart past you?", response: "I am very sorry Sir, of course you may" ). Seriously, it is 30 years since my last visit to the USA, and I am heartened to know that most folk are still polite and very accommodating. The reason for this anecdote?: It is only the right wing extremists that are trying to foment problems in the USA - they are the people to be wary of, the people that the TMA need to target ... because the vast majority of USA Citizens are good, hard working (employed or not) , and honest people. That is because the Left won. If the Right had won then the Left Wing extremists would be formenting problems, as from 2000-2008. The winners aren't usually disgrunted because they won. Not sure what the TMA is (google returned the "Texas Medical Association" but I'm pretty sure you aren't talking about them), but if they are a US government agency then they shouldn't be targeting ANY law abiding Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted November 14, 2012 #94 Share Posted November 14, 2012 You have to admit that since the Election the GOP have been acting in a very infantile manner,a very big bunch of sore losers.Allen West has got to be the biggest crybaby of them all. No one can hold a candle to crybaby Gore. West and the other GOPers aren't even close to the crying done by the Dems over Sore/Loserman in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted November 14, 2012 #95 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I think the questions' very simple really: do the Republican Party believe in the political system in the U.S as it's currently organised? Or would they rather have a perpetual one-party dictatorship, that party, of course, being the Republicans? If they would rather have the latter, then for heaven's sake let 'em spin themselves off into a perpetual dictatorship. You don't think the Dems would like to win every election? You seem very simple. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted November 14, 2012 #96 Share Posted November 14, 2012 No one can hold a candle to crybaby Gore. West and the other GOPers aren't even close to the crying done by the Dems over Sore/Loserman in 2000. To the contrary of the sore looser of 2012 at least he had the popular vote on his side, this time it is not even near a majority. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Amerika Posted November 14, 2012 #97 Share Posted November 14, 2012 http://www.dallasnew...se-response.ece Texas has asked to secede before ,or has dalied with the notion . This request actually came from governor Rick Perry ,and this is the moron who lost to Obama last time. Sour grapes . (Yes I know he didnt run against him,but he was the candidate that was the comic relief of the last election) These idiots do realize they will now all need passports ,to go into other states if they do this.. I think its time for Obama to tighten immigration laws,and see how they like it,if they need a visa to visit relatives in other states . Morons . Morons or Idiots or both is irrelevent. What i am taking away from all of this is that you are just another Obama supporter and are ignoring the REAL problem which is WHY would all these states be even thinking this way? Maybe you could take off your rose colored glasses and rrealize that there are a LOT of Americans that do not agree with ignoring the Constitution and turning this nation into a Socialists state. We do not need to be like Europe, things over there arent so awesome when the govt can no longer afford to care for its people with Social programs. People are rioting in the streets because the govts are dropping the very programs Obama is trying to bring to America. Can we not even open our eyes long enough to see that we are headed the same direction? Obama refuses to cut social programs, yet he plans on taxing us more. I remember once upon a time Democrats were up in arms when the GOP had Tax and Spend policies. Instead of laughing at those talking about breaking away, ask yourself how bad have things gotten where they would even talk about it. Not everyone shares your love for Obamas social agenda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 14, 2012 #98 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I would be happy to let Texas and the other Confederate States go, then we can finally be free of them and make the United States what it should have been all along, without them always holding the rest of us back and trying to regress into the 19th Century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 14, 2012 #99 Share Posted November 14, 2012 To the contrary of the sore looser of 2012 at least he had the popular vote on his side, this time it is not even near a majority. Obama got more of the popular vote than Bush ever did, while Romney didn't even get as many votes as McCain in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Amerika Posted November 14, 2012 #100 Share Posted November 14, 2012 38 electoral votes that are guaranteed red leaving the US? If I were a Democrat I'd be all for Texas leaving. When the GOP leaves who will remain to pay all your welfare payments? All Blue areas in texas represent areas where the immigrants and welfare recepients live.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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