Big Bad Voodoo Posted November 16, 2012 #1 Share Posted November 16, 2012 http://www.livescience.com/24810-neanderthals-sailed-mediterranean.html "If the ancient finds in the Mediterranean can be verified, they will show that Homo erectus or Neanderthals or both had the skills and cognitive ability to build boats and navigate them," Simmons said. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted November 16, 2012 #2 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Homo Erectus Sorry.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted November 17, 2012 #3 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Homo Erectus Sorry.... Don’t be sorry, except for the fact that I’d personally prefer Hetero Erectus For obvious reasons. Seriously now, Neanderthals sailing around would be far more advanced than anyone (officially) considered. It’s almost funny how much the perception of early humans has changed in last few years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 18, 2012 #4 Share Posted November 18, 2012 If we have to believe this (and something tells me we better not...) then Neanderthals even ended up in America: http://annalsofsubmarineresearch.blogspot.nl/2011_12_01_archive.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 18, 2012 #5 Share Posted November 18, 2012 If we have to believe this (and something tells me we better not...) then Neanderthals even ended up in America: http://annalsofsubma...01_archive.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted November 18, 2012 #6 Share Posted November 18, 2012 If we have to believe this (and something tells me we better not...) then Neanderthals even ended up in America: http://annalsofsubma...01_archive.html Yes, for starts, the Venus dagger looks far, far too symmetrical. I admit I only skimmed the article, so do they claim this is the actual photo (which it obviously is not) of the dagger or they state anywhere this is a reconstruction of the actual find? Where are the actual photos of the actual find? (Note that I have no problem with Neanderthal finds popping up in seemingly unexpected places, I have a problem with computer generated presentation. Is it possible someone would really find something so intriguing and then say: “But we’ll publish only nice photoshops, no one wants to see the real thing.”) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
with bells on Posted November 18, 2012 #7 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Homo Erectus sounds far more entertaining.. lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 18, 2012 #8 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yes, for starts, the Venus dagger looks far, far too symmetrical. I admit I only skimmed the article, so do they claim this is the actual photo (which it obviously is not) of the dagger or they state anywhere this is a reconstruction of the actual find? Where are the actual photos of the actual find? (Note that I have no problem with Neanderthal finds popping up in seemingly unexpected places, I have a problem with computer generated presentation. Is it possible someone would really find something so intriguing and then say: “But we’ll publish only nice photoshops, no one wants to see the real thing.”) Of course. after I accidentally hit upon that website, I googled to find anything official, but nothing showed up. Just another website repeating the same story. Try it yourself: "Neanderthal skull" AND "Monterey". And I thought the same thing as you did about the dagger: it looks too symmetrical, as though someone had simply mirrored some artefact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 18, 2012 #9 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Homo Erectus sounds far more entertaining.. lol.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted November 18, 2012 #10 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Of course. after I accidentally hit upon that website, I googled to find anything official, but nothing showed up. Just another website repeating the same story. Try it yourself: "Neanderthal skull" AND "Monterey". And I thought the same thing as you did about the dagger: it looks too symmetrical, as though someone had simply mirrored some artefact. Definitely mirrored. Some cracks were shopped in asymmetrically, but that doesn’t help the overall impression at all. And definitely only that one same article repeated elsewhere. Sometimes I hate modern technology. Back in the old days, people had to put some effort into making stuff up And what’s even worse, when something real pops up, the chance of getting it written off as another hoax is bigger than ever. I mean, let’s assume there was the actual find and people only wrongly assumed reconstruction would be better choice for publishing than actual photo... so the find gets buried in enormous pile of scaled up bones and mermaid corpses. But the article L posted looks far more serious and realistic. Seafaring or accidentally floating too far away from your home shore in your fishing proto-boat is equally fascinating for Neanderthals the way we see them. And Homo hopefully Erectus tonight, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted November 19, 2012 #11 Share Posted November 19, 2012 12,000 years ago? Weren't they modern humans at that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C235 Posted November 19, 2012 #12 Share Posted November 19, 2012 There really is something wrong with these archaeologists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted November 19, 2012 #13 Share Posted November 19, 2012 For instance, stone artifacts on the southern Ionian Islands hint at human sites there as early as 110,000 years ago. Investigators have also recovered quartz hand-axs, three-sided picks and stone cleavers from Crete that may date back about 170,000 years ago. The distance of Crete about 100 miles (160 kilometers) from the mainland would have made such a sea voyage no small feat. The exceedingly old age of these artifacts suggests the seafarers who made them might not even been modern humans, who originated between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago. Instead, they might have been Neanderthals or perhaps even Homo erectus. Thou shall read the whole article before trying to spoil the fun we are having here with Homo Erectus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfknight Posted November 19, 2012 #14 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think anything is possible. Look at the Clovis people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 19, 2012 #15 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think it is possible that neanderthals floated over on logs. They saw an island, got on a log and paddled over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted November 20, 2012 #16 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I think it is possible that neanderthals floated over on logs. They saw an island, got on a log and paddled over. That is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 20, 2012 #17 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Sailing in the Mediterranean is so easy that a caveman can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeycat Posted November 23, 2012 #18 Share Posted November 23, 2012 What was the Mediterranean like during the ice age when sea levels were around 130m (425 feet) lower? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted November 24, 2012 #19 Share Posted November 24, 2012 If sea levels were that much lower it might not been as difficult as it would of been with today's sea levels. There would of been more islands I would think. Maybe they just found something that would float to use as a boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 24, 2012 #20 Share Posted November 24, 2012 What was the Mediterranean like during the ice age when sea levels were around 130m (425 feet) lower? Good point, I'd forgotten that angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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