Big Bad Voodoo Posted December 10, 2012 #1376 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Hi L. That's pretty amazing. It looks gargantuan. Was it precision architecture do you know? I just before hal hour stumble upon it. My guess is like yours. I never seen it before. As I often say Im not expert in Peru,Mesoamerica and Egypt. Those are my weakest spot. By Im developing and learning. Im sure soon I could proudly say that Im expert there too. Soon-about two years. Edit: Looks huge. And I dont know why dont they remove that church. It would bring money to community. Edited December 10, 2012 by the L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGirl Posted December 10, 2012 #1377 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Should I have? Do you? You mean alien compared to our civilisation? no i mean your severely narrow mindset of - if we cannot immediately see how human beings could have done it then it must be aliens. (even though you have nothing to draw from where they are concerned because we can't even substantiate that they exist, never mind rationalizing any reason that they would bother to come to earth and help a very small cross section of people for a very short time in a very limited way and then bugger off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted December 10, 2012 #1378 Share Posted December 10, 2012 actually the thread is precisely about who when and why, so what is the logic with regard to the statement of yours that i bolded? It's pretty obvious there JGirl. First he pretends that humans couldn't have done it, then he pretends to know who did. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted December 10, 2012 #1379 Share Posted December 10, 2012 no i mean your severely narrow mindset of - if we cannot immediately see how human beings could have done it then it must be aliens. (even though you have nothing to draw from where they are concerned because we can't even substantiate that they exist, never mind rationalizing any reason that they would bother to come to earth and help a very small cross section of people for a very short time in a very limited way and then bugger off Yes, i've often wondered how aliens that can build space ships that can travel at light speed across the universe can't even master a simple task of turning sand into glass for windows 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 10, 2012 #1380 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Oniomancer posted this vifeo before, but it won't hurt to post it again: [media=] [/media], Edited December 10, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 10, 2012 #1381 Share Posted December 10, 2012 To give you the benefit of doubt, I just watched it again...and I don't hear him saying anything that would indicate aliens assisted with this. Let's not speculate Synch, lets look at what was actually said: At 5:21 in the clip: Yet even with these high tech tools, Hopkins cannot replicate what ancient civilisations accomplished thousands of years ago. At 5:50 on the subject of ancient sculptures and statues (Hopkins): It's possible to do by hand, but it would take an incredible amount of time plus you have to have years of experience to pull it off. At 9:00 in the clip; quoth Hopkins when shown photos of the PP relics: If we were to do something like that today we would use computer driven CNC machines which have diamond tips and a template that the computer follows and even then it may not come out as perfect. Does any more need to be said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 10, 2012 #1382 Share Posted December 10, 2012 no i mean your severely narrow mindset of - if we cannot immediately see how human beings could have done it then it must be aliens. (even though you have nothing to draw from where they are concerned because we can't even substantiate that they exist, never mind rationalizing any reason that they would bother to come to earth and help a very small cross section of people for a very short time in a very limited way and then bugger off You have ignored my last post to you. Ah well. Try watching the clip with the expert witness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 10, 2012 #1383 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Oniomancer posted this vifeo before, but it won't hurt to post it again: , Nice steel chisels. Is that supposed to be relevant to this discussion? I bet the ancients wished they had a nearby Wall Mart eh? Edited December 10, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGirl Posted December 10, 2012 #1384 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You have ignored my last post to you. Ah well. Try watching the clip with the expert witness. ignoring is not my style zoser - which post are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 10, 2012 #1385 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It's pretty obvious there JGirl. First he pretends that humans couldn't have done it, then he pretends to know who did. cormac I await the genius of your inspired mind to enlighten the forum oh wise one. As you have done here many times before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 10, 2012 #1386 Share Posted December 10, 2012 ignoring is not my style zoser - which post are you referring to? Quoth Zoser: Let me summarise : My starting point for the theory is the incredibly perfect architecture. The processes that gave rise to this were not recorded or later copied, There is no evidence that it was witnessed by the people who remained in SA at the time the Spanish arrived. The stories tell of denial, followed by inexplicable folkore about visitors achieving the feat with unknown technology. The counter theories presented make no sense. The tools available are incongruent with the building work, and we have in a few places at least two distinct types of building. One inferior, where the work is directly attributable to the Inca as witnessed and verified by the Spanish, and another seemingly flawless construction nearby which it seems no one admit's responsibility for. The AA hypothesis has been and is being investigated by more and more people who find orthodox explanations inadequate. Some of these people have a very specialised engineering or architectural background. They are well qualified in their field and hold in a lot of cases professional qualifications. Others who are cautious about the AA hypothesis, (Bauval and Brien Foester being good examples) nonetheless are puzzled at the high precision feats, how they were created and the unsatisfactory explanations that have been so far offered. That is a pretty good starting point in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted December 10, 2012 #1387 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Zoser, offtopic, I seen that you are in love with Fermat, any special reason if may I ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 10, 2012 #1388 Share Posted December 10, 2012 actually the thread is precisely about who when and why, so what is the logic with regard to the statement of yours that i bolded? I meant specifically the strain of ET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrom901 Posted December 10, 2012 #1389 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Let's not speculate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted December 10, 2012 #1390 Share Posted December 10, 2012 This has just gotten sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted December 10, 2012 #1391 Share Posted December 10, 2012 This has just gotten sad. How about lightning things up a little? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 10, 2012 #1392 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Zoser, offtopic, I seen that you are in love with Fermat, any special reason if may I ask? One of the most inspired Mathematicians of all time; creator of one of the biggest enigmas in mathematical history that baffled the greatest minds on the planet. Still no one alive can be sure if he had a correct proof or not. He was a family man but worked in isolation studying his passion mainly alone and so a true pioneer of his time. This has just gotten sad. Your comment on Hopkins analysis please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGirl Posted December 10, 2012 #1393 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Quoth Zoser: Let me summarise : My starting point for the theory is the incredibly perfect architecture. The processes that gave rise to this were not recorded or later copied, There is no evidence that it was witnessed by the people who remained in SA at the time the Spanish arrived. The stories tell of denial, followed by inexplicable folkore about visitors achieving the feat with unknown technology. The counter theories presented make no sense. The tools available are incongruent with the building work, and we have in a few places at least two distinct types of building. One inferior, where the work is directly attributable to the Inca as witnessed and verified by the Spanish, and another seemingly flawless construction nearby which it seems no one admit's responsibility for. The AA hypothesis has been and is being investigated by more and more people who find orthodox explanations inadequate. Some of these people have a very specialised engineering or architectural background. They are well qualified in their field and hold in a lot of cases professional qualifications. Others who are cautious about the AA hypothesis, (Bauval and Brien Foester being good examples) nonetheless are puzzled at the high precision feats, how they were created and the unsatisfactory explanations that have been so far offered. That is a pretty good starting point in my opinion. my apologies - i did miss this post well i appreciate that you have recapped because it's easier now to get your drift. not that i get your argument, i mean i get where your head is at at least while i admire your hard boiled determination, your stubborn refusal to open your mind to other more plausible possibilities makes a mockery of your effort. i lean toward the idea that human beings built those structures because i have seen examples of human feats that equal or rival in wonderment. i have not seen examples of alien structures, heck i have not seen examples of aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted December 10, 2012 #1394 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) One of the most inspired Mathematicians of all time; creator of one of the biggest enigmas in mathematical history that baffled the greatest minds on the planet. Still no one alive can be sure if he had a correct proof or not. He was a family man but worked in isolation studying his passion mainly alone and so a true pioneer of his time. He was Lawyer. But math was his hobi. He is one of my fav people because he was able to do two job at his best. "I discovered a truly remarkable proof of this proposition which does not fit in the margin of the page." (Latin for "say demonstration cuius mirabilem sane detexi Hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.") What a statement. Now thats...baldy. It was most famous detective story in history of math. xn+yn=zn for all n>2 Edited December 10, 2012 by the L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted December 10, 2012 #1395 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Your comment on Hopkins analysis please? Your comments on the Spanish watching and writing about these places being built, please? Your comments on why you continue to ignore the proof of how these things were done, please? You comments on why aliens would drill holes in rocks, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted December 10, 2012 #1396 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I await the genius of your inspired mind to enlighten the forum oh wise one. As you have done here many times before. I'm rather enjoying the hilarity of your boundless willfull ignorance. It's quite amusing. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted December 10, 2012 #1397 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Which has lasted longer? Precision fit means able to withstand the rigours of nature surely? It's an infallible argument yet the Spanish used inferior methods; contemporary with Renaissence Europe perhaps but nonetheless inferior. Look at how much it has cost to repair the European cathedrals. This is not subject to opinion; it's fact. We're talking about the methods used to shape the stones, not the end result, and for that result we have the luxury of hindsight. To the Spanish, These would've been recent constructions for which they would've had no reason to think of them as anything but an odd design choice. Nor were any of the native constructions more than a couple stories high, and those where essentially supported by their own mass, where the Spanish were accustomed to creating multistory framed buildings that would've never worked with. The Incas only had the corbeled arch for crying out loud, instead of the superior vaulted arch. They clearly had an abundance of the stones to take apart and re-assemble, and plenty of standing examples to inspire them. What did they do? Top them with European-style construction. That should show you how much they thought of this "superior" technology. Your approach has been if they could use it, they must use it unless they were unable to. There is nothing even remotely logical about that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 10, 2012 #1398 Share Posted December 10, 2012 my apologies - i did miss this post well i appreciate that you have recapped because it's easier now to get your drift. not that i get your argument, i mean i get where your head is at at least while i admire your hard boiled determination, your stubborn refusal to open your mind to other more plausible possibilities makes a mockery of your effort. i lean toward the idea that human beings built those structures because i have seen examples of human feats that equal or rival in wonderment. i have not seen examples of alien structures, heck i have not seen examples of aliens. Thanks for the sincerity. Specifically the precision, and with the means available to ancient people? Really? Regarding not seeing aliens; that's not everyone's experience by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted December 10, 2012 #1399 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You guys have to have something better to discuss. There are things flying over our heads right now that we can't explain and you're arguing about old freaking rocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrom901 Posted December 10, 2012 #1400 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You guys have to have something better to discuss. There are things flying over our heads right now that we can't explain and you're arguing about old freaking rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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