zoser Posted December 26, 2012 #3176 Share Posted December 26, 2012 You're the one that need to come up with something else. Deformed skulls and megalithic structures are not evidence of extraterrestrial involvement. Period. Could be. Your jumping to conclusions. No other feasible explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 26, 2012 #3177 Share Posted December 26, 2012 (edited) I gather this wouldn't be a good time to move the topic on with another clip? Anyhow it's 22:05 GMT, and I need to go off and do other things. Be back tomorrow. Have a good night all. Edited December 26, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted December 26, 2012 #3178 Share Posted December 26, 2012 What is you explained to me? See, you didn't even read what was explained to you. I feel bad for Abe, Seeder, Psych and the rest who have spent time and effort providing evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 26, 2012 #3179 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Do really think that rock cutting example was a fake? How do you suppose he did it? You are so stuck on the flawed AA logic. Just because I don't know how it was faked doesn't mean it wasn't faked. I'm saying it could be faked. He might have rented one of these at a nearby village: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classified Document Posted December 26, 2012 #3180 Share Posted December 26, 2012 There is no evidence on aliens being here at all. Atleast anything that can prove it once and for all. We'll never know the truth until we venture out and find the answers ourselves. For now we can only assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 26, 2012 #3181 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Could be. Your jumping to conclusions. No other feasible explanation. You're amazing! You think I'm jumping to conclusions when you are the one saying ancient aliens did this work because you don't accept how ancient man did it? We can't possibly debate with your mindset. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted December 26, 2012 #3182 Share Posted December 26, 2012 The problem is as I said not just the material but if it was metal then how was it extruded? Don't start that again. How did they extrude these: http://peruenroute.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/sacsayhuaman-how-incas-built/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted December 26, 2012 #3183 Share Posted December 26, 2012 (edited) There is no evidence on aliens being here at all. Atleast anything that can prove it once and for all. We'll never know the truth until we venture out and find the answers ourselves. For now we can only assume. You are correct. There is not any evidence. You seem to be level-headed. I for one welcome your addition. The issue most people have is that folks such as Zoser portray our ancients as dumb or not qualified. Humans are capable of amazing feats. Zoser believes the entertainment show Ancient Aliens to be 100% fact. He believes this because it is on the History channel (and is a video). This is why I do not let my 10 year old daughter watch the show. It is presented as fact on the History channel. Sometimes right after How States Got Their Shapes. Why is one show true and the other not? Hard to explain to a 10 year old (or Zoser). Edited December 26, 2012 by Myles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classified Document Posted December 26, 2012 #3184 Share Posted December 26, 2012 (edited) You're amazing! You think I'm jumping to conclusions when you are the one saying ancient aliens did this work because you don't accept how ancient man did it? We can't possibly debate with your mindset. In my opinion I don't think that aliens actually brought down their tools and built for us, but I do like to think (lol) they gave ancient man little tips and tricks that would make the construction of these marvels easier. On the other hand ancient man had alot of time on their hands. I'm not surprised they managed to build these structures. They obviously weren't built overnight. And I'm pretty sure they would of been great at utilising the tools that were avalible to them at the time. Ancient man had alot of will power, You can see the amount of heart and dedication that was poured into these magnificent structures. Not like today were most buildings aren't built to last, and it's all about getting it done as quickly and on schedule. Edited December 26, 2012 by Classified Document Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 26, 2012 #3185 Share Posted December 26, 2012 You are correct. There is not any evidence. You seem to be level-headed. I for one welcome your addition. The issue most people have is that folks such as Zoser portray our ancients as dumb or not qualified. Humans are capable of amazing feats. They certainly are. That's the point I was making about fire, spears and the bow and arrow. Seems Zoser is standing alone on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted December 26, 2012 #3186 Share Posted December 26, 2012 They certainly are. That's the point I was making about fire, spears and the bow and arrow. Seems Zoser is standing alone on this issue. He has his youtube videos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted December 26, 2012 #3187 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Another interesting clip. A doctor and a dentist examine the 'alien' baby. The theory of disease such as Hydrocephalus is completely rejected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontanelle "The much larger, diamond-shaped anterior fontanelle where the two frontal and two parietal bones join generally remains open until the child is about two years of age, however, in cleidocranial dysostosis it is often late in closing or may never close" Check out the skull on this poor fellow with just that affliction: http://stjoeslitreview.blogspot.com/2011/04/cleidocranial-dysplasia.html The dentist has an interesting theory about the teeth! I must've missed that in the video. I don't see where the mere presence of molars in general means anything, since he seems to be a little off on that: http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/guide/dental-health-your-childs-teeth I only have 28 teeth. Always have. Does that make me an alien? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 26, 2012 #3188 Share Posted December 26, 2012 There doesn't seem to be a lot of weathering on those cuts, although they don't seem "fresh", they don't seem to be thousands of years old. Also, why are there two tentative cuts? Surely precision cutting technology would preclude test cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 26, 2012 #3189 Share Posted December 26, 2012 There doesn't seem to be a lot of weathering on those cuts, although they don't seem "fresh", they don't seem to be thousands of years old. Also, why are there two tentative cuts? Surely precision cutting technology would preclude test cuts. A lot of these look too "fresh". That's why I think some are faked or the age is misrepresented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Unicorn Posted December 26, 2012 #3190 Share Posted December 26, 2012 (edited) There is no evidence on aliens being here at all. Atleast anything that can prove it once and for all. We'll never know the truth until we venture out and find the answers ourselves. For now we can only assume. agree it is a losing battle. Evidence is there was a more advanced civilization then mainstream generally gave credit. There were ancient people that may even have some genetic differences then us in general, large skulls etc what ever that can just be another off shoot relative of man. Even if we found something totally alien to human genetics that linked some of these ancient human to the mixing with some of us, it could just be said to older earth species missing link. If we found edvidence of them off the earth itself we still coudn't say alien as in ET because we still would not know their point of origination..still could be earth! If they were found alive we still would only guess where they really came from. Ancient alien theory is probably a losing battle even if it is correct in some assumptions. Edited December 26, 2012 by White Unicorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 26, 2012 #3191 Share Posted December 26, 2012 agree it is a losing battle. Evidence is there was a more advanced civilization then mainstream generally gave credit. There were ancient people that may even have some genetic differences then us in general, large skulls etc what ever that can just be another off shoot relative of man. Even if we found something totally alien to human genetics that linked some of these ancient human to the mixing with some of us, it could just be said to older earth species missing link. If we found edvidence of them off the earth itself we still coudn't say alien as in ET because we still would not know their point of origination..still could be earth! If they were found alive we still would only guess where they really came from. Ancient alien theory is probably a losing battle even if it is correct in some assumptions. Even with DNA testing what would demostrate "alien". Maybe alien DNA would be too different from Earth life and our testing methods wouldn't work. And if it did work and show something unknown, then how can we conclude it's extraterrestrial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Unicorn Posted December 27, 2012 #3192 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Even with DNA testing what would demostrate "alien". Maybe alien DNA would be too different from Earth life and our testing methods wouldn't work. And if it did work and show something unknown, then how can we conclude it's extraterrestrial? Exactly, that's why the AA theory is a losing battle even if it were true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 27, 2012 #3193 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Abe take a look at this: Foerster is at Ollantaytambo presumably with an engineering specialist. They discuss how a fine cut was made in this stone block: [media=] [/media] At the side of the stone cut that you can see in the video there is a wider gap. To me it looks like it is done using a wedge, to split the stone, like we can see demonstrated in a couple of videos on YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 27, 2012 #3194 Share Posted December 27, 2012 At the side of the stone cut that you can see in the video there is a wider gap. To me it looks like it is done using a wedge, to split the stone, like we can see demonstrated in a couple of videos on YouTube. It doesn't look exactly straight as you would expect with a cable or saw cut. More like the rock has split or cracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 27, 2012 #3195 Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Have a quick look at this short clip: [media=] [/media] Here's a newspaper artcile about the skull: http://www.dailymail...huaylillas.html I would like to see those molars from an other angle and from up close. But from what I see the molars are not very worn, and it may be that although now visible in the skull, they may have been only partly descended and were partly still hidden in the gums. . Edited December 27, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 27, 2012 #3196 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Don't start that again. How did they extrude these: http://peruenroute.w...ow-incas-built/ I hope you noticed there was an error in that article: the hihuana should not be translated as 'iron' but as 'pebble or 'stone'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted December 27, 2012 #3197 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I have a question for you zoser. What do you think about things like worry stones or the Black Stone at Mecca that have been worn smooth just by human contact. According to your logic such a thing would be impossible, and yet there is proof that softer materials (human lips even) can wear and smooth stone. Furthermore, if harder materials could not possibly be worn by softer materials then explain tool wear on things like drill bits and saw blades. Your refusal to admit that a copper/sand 'bit' can be used to drill stone is basically a refusal to be even remotely reasonable. The ancients had the means, time and manpower to accomplish these feats of engineering, hands down...pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 27, 2012 #3198 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Here's a newspaper artcile about the skull: http://www.dailymail...huaylillas.html I would like to see those molars from an other angle and from up close. But from what I see the molars are not very worn, and it may be that although now visible in the skull, they may have been only partly descended and were partly still hidden in the gums. . That article is over a year old and mentions DNA testing. Where's the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 27, 2012 #3199 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I have a question for you zoser. What do you think about things like worry stones or the Black Stone at Mecca that have been worn smooth just by human contact. According to your logic such a thing would be impossible, and yet there is proof that softer materials (human lips even) can wear and smooth stone. Furthermore, if harder materials could not possibly be worn by softer materials then explain tool wear on things like drill bits and saw blades. Your refusal to admit that a copper/sand 'bit' can be used to drill stone is basically a refusal to be even remotely reasonable. The ancients had the means, time and manpower to accomplish these feats of engineering, hands down...pun intended. Good point. Even steel saws used to cut wood have to be sharpened regularly. ...and flowing water carved out the Grand Canyon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oniomancer Posted December 27, 2012 #3200 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I hope you noticed there was an error in that article: the hihuana should not be translated as 'iron' but as 'pebble or 'stone'. Truthfully I wasn't even paying attention to that part. I just wanted to show off some of the "impossible" soft metal artifacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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