Bonecrusher Posted December 31, 2012 #3676 Share Posted December 31, 2012 It's like the unmovable object against the irrestiable forces... Btw,I've got an alternative theory that I like to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3677 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Some didn't but some did. Then why quote it?? You haven't justified the acid brew yet by saying exactly what it is, where is is applied and how it could have been done over such a vast scale. You are presenting science fiction to counter science fiction. Do you agree? Why do you suppose the cruder relics exposed to the elements show no signs of vitrification? = I know some didn't and that some did, but the writers of the blog don't = I quoted it as a possible (but highly unlikely) non-alien method. = No, I don't agree: it is you who uses scifi, not me. And I have told you in DETAIL how I think it was done. About the acidic brew: I have also mentioned several old (but not ancient) reports of people (South America) talking about a plant that was able to soften the surface of stone, and to corrode the spurs on their boots when they walked through a field with these plants. But no, I don;t know what plant it is. But then again, it may have been other plants, or a combination of plants of which the juice was extracted, concentrated and whatnot. If this is scifi, then Davidovits is a scifi writer because he talks about a people called the Huanka who molded stone by using certain plant juices. He copied the process using plant juice and had positive results. And he wrote a paper about it. That the cruder relics that are exposed to the elements don't show signs of a glaze is because they were not treated that way or because the stones were of a type not favored by microbes that cause the socalled 'desert varnish'. I -and this is the 7th time - also told you the Incas used different methods, different accuracy for structures of different importance. Like your house most probably does not resemble the Parthenon or a cathedral. . Edited December 31, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonecrusher Posted December 31, 2012 #3678 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Get your laughing gear round this... Why don't we substitute ancient aliens for a missing,advanced human civilisation. The reason I've jumped to this conclusion is because of the Great Flood. When the same account comes from two different sources I'm more than likely going to believe it's veracity. It's not exactly a fence-sitters hypothesis and might require a leap of faith... However it could explain the anomalies of these buildings still left behind. But you'll have to say that elongated skulls will have to be scratched off the list. I think Graham Hancock speaks the truth and tries to avoid mentioning the aliens as much as he can. That to me speaks volumes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3679 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Get your laughing gear round this... Why don't we substitute ancient aliens for a missing,advanced human civilisation. The reason I've jumped to this conclusion is because of the Great Flood. When the same account comes from two different sources I'm more than likely going to believe it's veracity. It's not exactly a fence-sitters hypothesis and might require a leap of faith... However it could explain the anomalies of these buildings still left behind. But you'll have to say that elongated skulls will have to be scratched off the list. I think Graham Hancock speaks the truth and tries to avoid mentioning the aliens as much as he can. That to me speaks volumes... Well, to start with Graham Hancock: you should watch the Youtube video called "Ancient Aliens Debunked". It is very enlightening and shows how Hancock has assumed a LOT. Then, there was no Great Flood, but after the end of the ice age there must have been several smaller but very destructive floods caused by ice lakes breaching through ice dams. There were ice lakes 600 meters deep (Altai region), just to give you an idea. But all this happened many thousands of years before the socalled Noah's Flood, and spread out over an interval of thousands of years. Then there must have been floods caused by tsunamis caused by earthquakes and whatnot, and so giving rise to other legends about a flood. These things happened all over the earth (like erupting volcanoes, earthquakes, rain and wind and so on), so it is to be expected legends will mention the same phenomenon, but not necessarily the same one at the same time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 31, 2012 #3680 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I own the first three seasons of Ancient Aliens on DVD and intend to buy the fourth as well. Don't know if it's true or not, but it is indeed extremely interesting! This has got to be my favorite episode. I believe I've watched this one more times than any of the other episodes and I still find it extremely fascinating ANCIENT ENGINEERS The part where they take you to the stone quarry is especially intriguing. It's one thing to cut a retangle into a rock using some kind of laser tool and quite another to cut behind it perfectly and remove the rectangle stone leaving an accurately cut surface as smooth as a bathroom mirror. I can't wrap my mind around how it was done. I mean, I can't even bloody envision it! A real mind 'French'! smooth as a bathroom mirror eh? Ok I'll play along.. Do you listen to the opening credits, they ask "could this be man or could it be ET etc".. Now Imagine someone sensible explaining this movie like David Attenborough, take away the dramatic music, take away the needlessly posed sentences like 'man couldn't have done this, so who did'? And instead let Sir David take you thru the mundane explanations, great as they are, they're mundane because no ET were involved, ever.. Next you need to realise unless youve followed the entire thread..your video and many like it have been discussed to death. You say you want to buy the next AA video? Before you do, heres a gift, a 3 hours FULL and free movie of AA theories....totally debunked. (By a one time believer, like you!) Now watch just the first ten mins, starting with Puma Punku [media=] [/media]If a 3 hour movie has you worried, check out their website for a read and smaller bite sized video's here: http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/ . Edited December 31, 2012 by seeder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 31, 2012 #3681 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I quoted from the blog what I quoted because one of the writers apparently took it seriously enough to comment on it and even said he had tried it out. OK I'm probably never going to get a sensible answer from you as to why they would have smeared the acid brew on the surfaces in 'The Wall of the Living Rock' which was effectively a quarry. This is the principle argument against the acid brew/paste theory Abe. That it wouldn't be left behind on surfaces where they quarried large blocks. Yet all over Peru the vitrification is on such surfaces. Also how they could have produced such chemicals in industrial quantities to cover the relics in all of the caves, rock outcrops, blocks, all over Peru and Bolivia. And why the less precise relics have no vitrification on them. Never mind. PS Who cares i'm a two star general now! Whoaaaaaa! Edited December 31, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 31, 2012 #3682 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) That the cruder relics that are exposed to the elements don't show signs of a glaze is because they were not treated that way or because the stones were of a type not favored by microbes that cause the socalled 'desert varnish'. . OK. Wonder what kind of stone the microbes do favour? I see someone sinking ever more into the mud of evasion and invention. Edited December 31, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 31, 2012 #3683 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) "( top image) Lightning – a type of plasma phenomenon – strikes over an ancient fort. Major lightning strikes can cause intense heat discharges resulting in the melting, fusing, and vitrification of sand and rock. (bottom image) Colour image taken from an aircraft of a modern upper atmospheric electrical discharge and plasma configuration known as a “sprite” which is suggestive of the powerful plasma configurations seen in the ancient skies from the ground. (Public Domain Image; University of Alaska, Fairbanks.) so heres some info from a UNIVERSITY!! Gotta get some things right havent they. Whose to say what weather phenomena occured in ancient times.... but... most of the structures will have been taller than their surroundings so could quite logically be a target for lightening or similar... again, MORE plausible than bloody aliens reposting so this crucial fact isnt overlooked Edited December 31, 2012 by seeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3684 Share Posted December 31, 2012 OK. Wonder what kind of stone the microbes do favour? I see someone sinking ever more into the mud of evasion and invention. No, you are wrong. But what I am quite certain of is that you never really read what I posted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 31, 2012 #3685 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Get ready.... "Oddly, the indigenous Easter Island rongorongo script may hold the answer. But first we have to consider the concept of the fourth state of matter--plasma. Plasma consists of electrically charged particles. Familiar plasma phenomena on Earth today include lightning and auroras, the northern and southern lights, and upper atmospheric phenomena known as sprites. In the past, much more powerful plasma events sometimes took place, due to solar outbursts and coronal mass ejections (CMEs) from the Sun, or possibly emissions from other celestial objects. Powerful plasma phenomena could cause strong electrical discharges to hit Earth, burning and incinerating materials on our planet's surface. Los Alamos plasma physicist Dr. Anthony L. Peratt and his associates have established that petroglyphs found worldwide record an intense plasma event (or events) in prehistory Plasma hitting the surface of Earth could heat and fuse rock, incinerate flammable materials, melt ice caps, vaporize shallow bodies of water creating an extended deluge of rain, and send the climate into a warming spell. The release of pressure that follows the melting of thousands-of-meters-thick ice sheets can induce earthquakes and even cause hot rock under pressure to melt and erupt to the surface as volcanoes. The world was in chaos, and this is the event recorded by petroglyphs and the rongorongo texts. The plasma event of 9700 B.C. eradicated advanced civilizations and high cultures of the time, and the radiation emanating from the plasma may have affected mental and psychical abilities. This could be the basis for the nearly universal myth of a Golden Age, a time when beings on Earth had mental abilities far surpassing those of later times. The 9700 B.C. event may be the original basis for the Atlantis legends; the timeframe fits well with Plato's account. Plasma and electrical discharges hitting the surface of Earth may have been responsible for the vitrification (melting into crude glass) of ancient stone structures seen in some parts of the world, such as various hill forts in Scotland authors bio, just to show he knows his stuff "Dr. Robert M. Schoch, a full-time faculty member at the College of General Studies at Boston University since 1984, earned his Ph.D. (1983) in Geology and Geophysics at Yale University. He also holds an M.S. and M.Phil. in Geology and Geophysics from Yale, as well as degrees in Anthropology (B.A.) and Geology (B.S.) from George Washington University. source of main text: http://www.robertschoch.com/plasma.html Now doesnt this seem a plausible event? Im not researching another thing, zoser could have found this, took me a minute with google, zoser however spends weeks with youtube and gets nowhere... trying to believe in aliens (reposted) Now isnt this an ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING report? "The world was in chaos, and this is the event recorded by petroglyphs and the rongorongo texts". Must admit Id never heard of it till I got into researching zosers notions.. kinda tidies up nicely the disappearance of many ancient cultures doesnt it? And shiny stones... Edited December 31, 2012 by seeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3686 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) OK I'm probably never going to get a sensible answer from you as to why they would have smeared the acid brew on the surfaces in 'The Wall of the Living Rock' which was effectively a quarry. This is the principle argument against the acid brew/paste theory Abe. That it wouldn't be left behind on surfaces where they quarried large blocks. Yet all over Peru the vitrification is on such surfaces. Seriously Zoser, either you have some reading problems or there is something worse going on with you. . Edited December 31, 2012 by Abramelin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonecrusher Posted December 31, 2012 #3687 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Well, to start with Graham Hancock: you should watch the Youtube video called "Ancient Aliens Debunked". It is very enlightening and shows how Hancock has assumed a LOT. Then, there was no Great Flood, but after the end of the ice age there must have been several smaller but very destructive floods caused by ice lakes breaching through ice dams. There were ice lakes 600 meters deep (Altai region), just to give you an idea. But all this happened many thousands of years before the socalled Noah's Flood, and spread out over an interval of thousands of years. Then there must have been floods caused by tsunamis caused by earthquakes and whatnot, and so giving rise to other legends about a flood. These things happened all over the earth (like erupting volcanoes, earthquakes, rain and wind and so on), so it is to be expected legends will mention the same phenomenon, but not necessarily the same one at the same time. That video is even longer than a sword and sandals saga. I think if I attempted to watch that I would shatter my monthly contract for my I-Pad in half. Graham Hancock dosn't strike me as a guy who dosn't do much assuming. A no-nonsense approach and an inability to over-dramatise things can be very persuasive. If I decide to break the bank you'll be the first one to know I have changed my mind. Tbh if they found evidence of this "Great" flood if would be a great discovery. These geologists are always plodding about with their hammer and chisel. One of these days after constant study of rock layers they will found their proof. I'm on tenterhooks till then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 31, 2012 #3688 Share Posted December 31, 2012 That video is even longer than a sword and sandals saga. I think if I attempted to watch that I would shatter my monthly contract for my I-Pad in half. Graham Hancock dosn't strike me as a guy who dosn't do much assuming. A no-nonsense approach and an inability to over-dramatise things can be very persuasive. If I decide to break the bank you'll be the first one to know I have changed my mind. Tbh if they found evidence of this "Great" flood if would be a great discovery. These geologists are always plodding about with their hammer and chisel. One of these days after constant study of rock layers they will found their proof. I'm on tenterhooks till then. If a 3 hour movie has you worried, check out their website for a read and smaller bite sized video's here: http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted December 31, 2012 #3689 Share Posted December 31, 2012 If a 3 hour movie has you worried, check out their website for a read and smaller bite sized video's here: http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/ I saved it on my "watch later" Youtube list and just watched a bit of it every time I visited. When you restart the video it just picks up where you left off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonecrusher Posted December 31, 2012 #3690 Share Posted December 31, 2012 If a 3 hour movie has you worried, check out their website for a read and smaller bite sized video's here: http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/ Cheers mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3691 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) That video is even longer than a sword and sandals saga. I think if I attempted to watch that I would shatter my monthly contract for my I-Pad in half. Graham Hancock dosn't strike me as a guy who dosn't do much assuming. A no-nonsense approach and an inability to over-dramatise things can be very persuasive. If I decide to break the bank you'll be the first one to know I have changed my mind. Tbh if they found evidence of this "Great" flood if would be a great discovery. These geologists are always plodding about with their hammer and chisel. One of these days after constant study of rock layers they will found their proof. I'm on tenterhooks till then. I have started a thread (well, someone else did, but I added 80 perscent of the posts) about Doggerland, lol. That area - the present North Sea - was dry land up to 6150 BCE and got flooded by a tsunami lasting for up to 2 days. If there was any people who would have created a flood legend, it was the people of Doggerland. Just imagine the 2004 tsunami lasting for days...and hitting a flat country the size of California with only one reasonably large hill: the present Doggersbank, with waves of 20 meters (60 feet) high. http://www.unexplain...d To give you a start, I wrote a summary: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=179840&st=765#entry4356314 . Edited December 31, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 31, 2012 #3692 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I think I'd rather eat liver than watch a three hour Debunking video, full, I have no doubt, of people who take things, and not least themselves, way too seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3693 Share Posted December 31, 2012 That video is even longer than a sword and sandals saga. Check YouTube: the documentary is also available in (12?) parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3694 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I think I'd rather eat liver than watch a three hour Debunking video, full, I have no doubt, of people who take things, and not least themselves, way too seriously. It's mainly about people (Hancock for one) not doing enough research, assuming too much, and adding lots of fantasy. It's an interesting video, and worth watching. Well, unless you don't care about any dreams being shattered, that is.. . Edited December 31, 2012 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 31, 2012 #3695 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I own the first three seasons of Ancient Aliens on DVD and intend to buy the fourth as well. Don't know if it's true or not, but it is indeed extremely interesting! This has got to be my favorite episode. I believe I've watched this one more times than any of the other episodes and I still find it extremely fascinating The subject is very interesting. Personally, I hope advanced UFO aliens are not visiting this planet. It's a scary concept. It was said that once advanced UFO aliens make their presence openly known human religious and social structures will break down. Somehow that is not a comforting thought so I hope it is all a hoax ANCIENT ENGINEERS The part where they take you to the stone quarry is especially intriguing. It's one thing to cut a retangle into a rock using some kind of laser tool and quite another to cut behind it perfectly and remove the rectangle stone leaving an accurately cut surface as smooth as a bathroom mirror. I can't wrap my mind around how it was done. I mean, I can't even bloody envision it! A real mind 'French'! Watched it all. Excellent documentary and well supported by many specialists some of whom with PHD qualifications. The first 10 minutes of this covers the enigma of Ollantaytambo and 'The Wall of the Living Rock as was discussed here a few posts back. Nice post; welcome to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted December 31, 2012 #3696 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Once again, you have to prove it before I have to explain it, as BMK pointed out, and I still don't believe that a normal explanation has been conclusively ruled out. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? It would explain a lot. I very carefully Pointed out that it is clearly not vitrified. Do you even know what that word means? It means glassified. De-crystalized. If the core was vitrified, it would be covered with an opaque amorphous layer of something like obsidian. The crystal structure of the rock underneath, which at that size would take weeks or months if not years to form, would not be visible. It is vanishingly unlikely that any layer would be transparent. This is something to note about the blocks of Peru. All of this so-called "vitrification" appears to be the same color as regular andesite, except in a few spots that are obviously blackened. I would be interested to know if it would be possible to observe the surface mineral structure of the rock with a hand lens. Zoser, as usual, on the mode "Blah blah blah, can't hear you, can't see you!" Logic and reason, apparently, meaningless for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted December 31, 2012 #3697 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Zoser, as usual, on the mode "Blah blah blah, can't hear you, can't see you!" Logic and reason, apparently, meaningless for him. Not vitrified eh? Oh yes it is. I wonder who really is holding their hands over their ears (and eyes). See here: http://blog.world-my...stiges-of-peru/ Shatters the fairy tale mainstream theories in a single stroke. Makes my job much easier I suppose. Edited December 31, 2012 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3698 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I own the first three seasons of Ancient Aliens on DVD and intend to buy the fourth as well. Don't know if it's true or not, but it is indeed extremely interesting! This has got to be my favorite episode. I believe I've watched this one more times than any of the other episodes and I still find it extremely fascinating The subject is very interesting. Personally, I hope advanced UFO aliens are not visiting this planet. It's a scary concept. It was said that once advanced UFO aliens make their presence openly known human religious and social structures will break down. Somehow that is not a comforting thought so I hope it is all a hoax ANCIENT ENGINEERS [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgzNhRDpgCg[/media] The part where they take you to the stone quarry is especially intriguing. It's one thing to cut a retangle into a rock using some kind of laser tool and quite another to cut behind it perfectly and remove the rectangle stone leaving an accurately cut surface as smooth as a bathroom mirror. I can't wrap my mind around how it was done. I mean, I can't even bloody envision it! A real mind 'French'! You will like this entry in my blog too: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?app=blog&module=display§ion=blog&blogid=2684&showentry=26585 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted December 31, 2012 #3699 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Not vitrified eh? Oh yes it is. I wonder who really is holding their hands over their ears (and eyes). See here: http://blog.world-my...stiges-of-peru/ Shatters the fairy tale mainstream theories in a single stroke. Makes my job much easier I suppose. What I noticed is that you never gave a real comment (if you even did) on what that specialist had to say about the 'cone heads'. You've evaded it, while I have done my best to give you a reply to every one of your posts. . Edited December 31, 2012 by Abramelin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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