S2F Posted January 17, 2013 #5126 Share Posted January 17, 2013 ok i concede. ancient man could have done everything. if so, they had advanced knowledge of engineering. they also had advanced knowledge of astronomy. why then, are they making monuments and worshipping false gods that come from the stars? why are the ancient Sumerians talking about gods using machines to alter genetics? if they are were so smart they should know that there werent gods that came from the sky. why are they making these giant structures to worship "gods?" why are they obbsessed about kings being from the same blood as gods that came from the sky? Religion and spirituality don't necessarily have anything to do with intellect. In some cases, like Egypt, where the pharaohs were considered divine it gave them a measure of power over the populace. Is it then any wonder that those in power would want to perpetuate such things? Don't forget too that religion had a meaningful place among the ancients as a way to help explain the world around them, it was comforting (even if illusory) to think you had a reason for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted January 17, 2013 #5127 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Considering Acient man had NO IDEA of advanced technology - In my opinion the AA theroy is far more beleivable than a real God. Define "advanced technology" - as "concrete" is advanced technology to some of the ancients. The Gutenberg press is advanced technology. Hell, making fire by rubbing two sticks together is advanced technology at some time and yet, they were all concieved of eventually. Ancient man wasn't an idiot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 17, 2013 #5128 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Several million, in fact, in Spanish speaking countries. But need that be proof that there was not a Yeshua ben Yosef in Galilee who was a charismatic preacher and was executed by the Roman authorities fir sedition in the first century CE, as I believe they now call it? But anyway, surely it's one thing to argue that the suggestion that the one in question may have been an ET is perhaps, somewhat imaginative, but then to go on to explian how Experts have proved that Jesus never existed at all is to go into the realms that are more than adequately covered by other areas. My reasoning is simple. If we cannot even show which one of these man was Jesus, can the real alien please step forward? The hypothesis is building a fantasy on a fantasy. That is the point I am trying to illustrate. We do not even have a starting point on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 17, 2013 #5129 Share Posted January 17, 2013 But lets not drag this into a discussion on JC and his alleged alien connections pls. For sure this thread has taken enough twists and turns already, and as rightly said, there is a spirituality section for such discussions I am almost ready to discuss the growth of a lemon tree after so many pages of the same question about rocks that has been answered many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted January 17, 2013 #5130 Share Posted January 17, 2013 ... Did you found more examples of Natives-Gods from sky/Europeans encounters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted January 17, 2013 #5131 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) My reasoning is simple. If we cannot even show which one of these man was Jesus, can the real alien please step forward? I'm Spartacus! [media=] [/media]. Edited January 17, 2013 by seeder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 17, 2013 #5132 Share Posted January 17, 2013 yay, we're back to rocks. Do you have any views on the God/Aliens/Jesus question, Z? I have one. How can a species of one arise? That being God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted January 17, 2013 #5133 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Ancient man wasn't an idiot. Compared to us I'd say just uneducated, certainly not stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 17, 2013 #5134 Share Posted January 17, 2013 ok i concede. ancient man could have done everything. if so, they had advanced knowledge of engineering. they also had advanced knowledge of astronomy. why then, are they making monuments and worshipping false gods that come from the stars? why are the ancient Sumerians talking about gods using machines to alter genetics? if they are were so smart they should know that there werent gods that came from the sky. why are they making these giant structures to worship "gods?" why are they obsessed about kings being from the same blood as gods that came from the sky? Because man is curious and wants to know. We are conscious matter of the Universe. We all have to start someplace. Religion explained natural phenomena quite satisfactorily for the time and I guess what we might call fate and organised it into something we could comprehend. This developed into religion. Sharia is still law in the middle east. We have not completely passed this phase yet. But I am sure the time will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted January 17, 2013 #5135 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I have one. How can a species of one arise? That being God. Panspermia!! No, that's not right... Spontaneous Combustion!! No, not that one either... I got nothing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted January 17, 2013 #5136 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Because man is curious and wants to know. We are conscious matter of the Universe. We all have to start someplace. Religion explained natural phenomena quite satisfactorily for the time and I guess what we might call fate and organised it into something we could comprehend. This developed into religion. Sharia is still law in the middle east. We have not completely passed this phase yet. But I am sure the time will come. Hopefully soon however I think it will get worse before it gets better. Darkest before dawn and all that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted January 17, 2013 #5137 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I have one. How can a species of one arise? That being God. In the beginning, was the word. And the word was with God, and the Word was God. Therefore, God was written into existence. Who wrote God into existence you ask? God did. Or Jack Kirby, one of the two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 18, 2013 #5138 Share Posted January 18, 2013 ok i concede. ancient man could have done everything. if so, they had advanced knowledge of engineering. they also had advanced knowledge of astronomy. why then, are they making monuments and worshipping false gods that come from the stars? why are the ancient Sumerians talking about gods using machines to alter genetics? if they are were so smart they should know that there werent gods that came from the sky. why are they making these giant structures to worship "gods?" why are they obsessed about kings being from the same blood as gods that came from the sky? In most churches, there are incredibly smart people (engineers, judges, doctors, scientists). Just because I don't believe in everything they do doesn't take away from their intelligence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #5139 Share Posted January 18, 2013 In the beginning, was the word. And the word was with God, and the Word was God. Therefore, God was written into existence. Who wrote God into existence you ask? God did. Or Jack Kirby, one of the two. Hmmrzz, putting on my philosophical at for a second....... The Bible is words, and the word is indeed God, are we not trying to let us know we are responsible for our own religion in a cryptic fashion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted January 18, 2013 #5140 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) Hmmrzz, putting on my philosophical at for a second....... The Bible is words, and the word is indeed God, are we not trying to let us know we are responsible for our own religion in a cryptic fashion? Or that God wrote us as well I blame Jack Kirby personally. Kirby's God at any rate (I've the pictures to prove it!). Edited January 18, 2013 by Wearer of Hats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #5141 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Panspermia!! No, that's not right... Spontaneous Combustion!! No, not that one either... I got nothing... LOL, you and me both mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #5142 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) Or that God wrote us as well I blame Jack Kirby personally. Kirby's God at any rate (I've the pictures to prove it!). You have the pics? God is American? He is still a DJ I take it though? Man, that is going to flatten a few tires................ The Middle East is going to be cheesed of at this news. Edited January 18, 2013 by psyche101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #5143 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) Hopefully soon however I think it will get worse before it gets better. Darkest before dawn and all that... I am really hoping the darkest bit was the Thirty Years war, but your right. It seems it might take even more than another war to smash democracy and a fair shake into some heads. Shame that. Thank the Lord for Canadian Club and Guinness. We have some civility to fall back upon. Edited January 18, 2013 by psyche101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #5144 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) I'm Spartacus! . Just looked at it on the phone so I could see it. I cannot help it, now I have to post YT - DAMN YOU SPARTACUS!! [media=] Edited January 18, 2013 by psyche101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 18, 2013 #5145 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I think they would have seen them as strange visitors surely however if an alien were to pour water from a shiny metal flask the ancients would then assume that alien must be Bill the Giver of Life (water)? That's a bit of a stretch I think. To be quite honest, I think of course they would. Certainly in polytheistic societies, they saw that gods were responsible for everything, and they weren't above popping down from time to time to appear in person or take a hand in person. (Look at the Iliad, and that was a step or two above your basic "primitive" societies). Hopw else might they have thought of it, since in their cosmology they'd almost certainly think of the earth as being the centre of the universe, if they any conception that there might be other heavenly bodies at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted January 18, 2013 #5146 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Just looked at it on the phone so I could see it. I cannot help it, now I have to post YT - DAMN YOU SPARTACUS!! brilliant to be reminded thanks! Id forgotten that clip! Cheers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 18, 2013 #5147 Share Posted January 18, 2013 To be quite honest, I think of course they would. Certainly in polytheistic societies, they saw that gods were responsible for everything, and they weren't above popping down from time to time to appear in person or take a hand in person. (Look at the Iliad, and that was a step or two above your basic "primitive" societies). Hopw else might they have thought of it, since in their cosmology they'd almost certainly think of the earth as being the centre of the universe, if they any conception that there might be other heavenly bodies at all? I have to admit, that is a really good point When earth was considered the centre of he Universe, there was not room for aliens. Just us and God(s) Earth and heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted January 18, 2013 #5148 Share Posted January 18, 2013 More examples of ancient high technology. I assert that these are more examples of precision artefacts that could only have been achieved with the stone in a soft state. To see more examples look at my previous post. The following example I think was done with 8 cuts. Four vertical and four horizontal and then the unwanted pieces removed. This was most likely how the unexplained protuberances were achieved on the megalithic blocks at Ollyantaytambo for example. There is no other way that this could have been achieved. Then another incredible example: This could have been achieved with some molecular altering technology as Crickey suggests, however any theory must take into account other visual evidence such as the vitrification. This was also how the blocks at Puma Punku were achieved. Unthinkable that these were achieved by stone age indian people. To remind people how it was done just take an example of some soft clay like material: And the final piece of evidence that again was available all along that no one really thought to produce: Andesite has a Moh's hardness of 6-7 while bronze is only 3. http://reviews.ebay.com/Gemstones-and-the-Mohs-Scale-of-Mineral-Hardness?ugid=10000000001385581 High tech proven. Hypothesis proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoser Posted January 18, 2013 #5149 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) One final note. Now that the stone extraction enigma has been explained we can now explain these: Precision cuts suddenly become a lot easier to explain because they needed nothing that hard. With the stone in a soft state, the granite in the above image was just sliced with wire. Just like slicing blocks of cheese. Explains much. Edited January 18, 2013 by zoser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted January 18, 2013 #5150 Share Posted January 18, 2013 One final note. Now that the stone extraction enigma has been explained we can now explain these: Precision cuts suddenly become a lot easier to explain because they needed nothing that hard. With the stone in a soft state, the granite in the above image was just sliced with wire. Just like slicing blocks of cheese. Explains much. That photo at the end of your post: the complete photo shows a wedge shaped hole at the bottom. For me it shows the block had been split in a way as has been explained already. And that's not by using a wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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