The Ancient Alien Theory Is True

[seeder]

for anyone who doesn't know Ive just posted a link to glowing stuff found on mars..(for real) in the astronomy section, but its not known what it is and so dont be getting tooo excited

edit for linky

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=242144&st=0&p=4644922entry4644922

.

Edited January 31, 2013 by seeder

[Harte]

Glowing?

It MUST be vitrified!!!

Harte

Edited January 31, 2013 by Harte

[zoser]

Not even rising to it zoser. Its sooo boring. cant you find a real AA theory to talk about? You were posting same vids/pics when I joined this thread around the page 120 mark.

Do you just want to keep regurgitating the same old posted stuff? Is that because you have nothing else to talk about? Nothing else that lights your candle? because this is a thread about the AA and yet you never mention them.

Why not ask a colleague at the B-Museum to educate you on a few things?

Oh wait I know, basic wage immigrant cleaners probably cant speak good enough English right?

Whose upset you seeder? You don't seem yourself atm.

[seeder]

Glowing?

It MUST be vitrified!!!

Harte

and quartz powered

[zoser]

And you didn't watch the next Protzen vid after the one that was linked, my friend.

Harte

Protzen and his team God bless them.

The first attempt with a stone no bigger than a house brick took him several hours and still was no where near the precision of a Peruvian example.

The second attempt was a 0.5 tonne block that it took 8 men 12 days to fashion. They used cold steel tools, dropped the block at one point almost hospitalising half of the team and in the end there was a gap so large a fat mouse could have crawled in to it and made a nest.

He did admit that it was not as good as the 30 tonne example he was trying to replicate at Sacsayhuaman.

A bit like admitting a homemade firework is no Apollo rocket I suppose.

Decent bloke doing a decent days work. It ain't precision megalithic work though.

Is that the guy you mean?

[seeder]

[zoser]

Here then is even more proof of ancient aliens.

Built with staggering precision in terms of alignment to the cardinal compass points, exactly on 30 deg North, it consists of some 2.5 million tonnes of limestone each weighing an average of 2.5 tonnes and some granite blocks in the upper part weighing as much as 70 tonnes.

What is left of the Tura limestone casing shows that it was assembled with incredible accuracy as was the huge granite blocks in the upper chamber.

That the granite played a vital part in the function of the pyramid machine can be beyond doubt since the only known source of the red granite was hundreds of miles away. Alternative softer material was closer to hand if all they had wanted was stone to complete the build.

The descending passage is approx 90 foot long and is accurate to a staggering 0.25 inch along it'e entire length.

Built with unknown means with unknown tools, it incorporates many enigmatic features that modern archaeology fails to explain. One example is the small duct shafts in the upper and middle chambers that were recently explored by robots. At the end of the middle chamber shafts lies blocks of stone fitted with copper handles alluding to some electrical function.

Other anomalies are the niche in the middle chamber and the curious stone features in the antechamber.

The building appears to be designed purely for functionality bearing no artwork, statues, reliefs, colour, or decor. Totally contrary to the mainstream explanation that it was a tomb for a deceased king, since what we do know of Ancient Egyptians from burial chambers in the Valley of the Kings is that they were lavishly decorated and fitted out with gold, art, and other precious as well as practical artefacts. The GP however was never known to contain any of these items.

One example of heiroglyphics does exist inside the building, however to this day it remains highly controversial due to the shoddy nature of the writing, and the integrity of the man who discovered it. Again evidence suggests that the Egyptians produced high quality artefacts even their writing was carefully etched.

The only very remote reference to a dead body is a granite box, lidless, and so stark that it was hardly ever suited for a deceased still venerated monarch.

In short the tomb theory is totally unsupportable. No mummy or body was ever found even when the building was entered for the first time. It's shafts and passage ways are low and unsuitable for humans to walk along, and is more evidence that it was never designed for human beings but rather to function as a machine.

Recent investigations indicate that this may well have been to do with the granite in the upper chamber. Since the pyramid covers a large ground surface area it would have been responsive to earth vibrations which from what we know about granite would have caused it to vibrate and resonate. The quartz inside the rock would have emitted electrical energy which would have been conducted through the pyramid by the magnesium rich dolomite core limestone. The exterior white calcium rich Tura limestone would have acted as a partial containment causing a 'furnace effect' and it is feasible that the whole pyramid would have emitted a strong electromagnetic radiation.

There is evidence that much of the internal workings of the pyramid are missing, in particular from the grand gallery (56 niches in the masonry) and the antechamber. Most likely according to researcher Chris Dunn, these missing items would have assisted the resonance effect of the whole building and would have served to intensify the overall effect.

There are mathematical anomalies such as the constants pi and phi turn up in the design of the chambers as well as the overall dimensions. The overall dimensions have been proved to be scaled on the size of the earth. The conclusion of this is must be whoever built the pyramid must have possessed very advanced knowledge of the planet's dimensions, and both conventional and esoteric mathematics.

Here it is. Despite countless years of investigation by modern minds it remains even today not fully decoded. Even it's date is subject to intense controversy since it is not possible to date stone, historians have relied on organic relics from between the blocks which could well have been deposited by later people when the pyramid was repaired. By analogy this is like digging up a body near St Paul's Cathedral from world war two and claiming that this implies proof of the building's date.

Such has been the assumptiveness and lack of throughness of archaeologist where this building is concerned which has served to perpetuate unsupportable banal theories regarding it's origin and purpose.

The truth however is thanks to specialists and insightful people now slowly being revealed and it can now be proved beyond doubt that this was not the work of stone age peoples with primitive tools.

I give you the Great Pyramid of Giza.

Edited January 31, 2013 by zoser

[seeder]

Here then is even more proof of ancient aliens.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................

round and round we go...

I asked for some proper AA theories and you just regurgitate already discussed stuff..

you post nothing new, again, and again, and again.. boring

[zoser]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................

round and round we go...

I asked for some proper AA theories and you just regurgitate already discussed stuff..

you post nothing new, again, and again, and again.. boring

Go for it. I don't believe that you are punch drunk with information.

It's all there seeder. At one time you were all for quitting the thread yet you have hung around, making dogged attempts at counter arguments, coming out fighting at every bell.

What do you say about my post above?

[zoser]

Foerster himself has now become interested in the similarity of the granite at the base of the smaller of the three Giza Pyramids, and the Peruvian walls.

People are referring to the certainty of 'diffusionism'.

Have a look:

http://www.facebook....&type=1

The truth is leaking out like water from a damaged hydro dam.

Edited January 31, 2013 by zoser

[Abramelin]

When I read a statement like "Most likely according to researcher Chris Dunn, these missing items would have assisted the resonance effect of the whole building and would have served to intensify the overall effect." I too tend to get sleepy eyes.

[zoser]

When I read a statement like "Most likely according to researcher Chris Dunn, these missing items would have assisted the resonance effect of the whole building and would have served to intensify the overall effect." I too tend to get sleepy eyes.

I would also state that there is no longer any credible mainstream default position about the origins and purpose of this mighty building.

It's all up for grabs as they say. There is no default position.

Only a mass of comic book fiction written by those who perpetuated nonsense in fear of their security.

Take a look at Foerster's FB blog.

Edited January 31, 2013 by zoser

[Space Commander Travis]

So if the same techniques and so on were used in our friends the Peruvian walls as at the pyramids, does that mean that there might actually have been a purpose behind all those fancy walls? Well, we seem to be getting somewhere at last.

[Harte]

Protzen and his team God bless them.

The first attempt with a stone no bigger than a house brick took him several hours and still was no where near the precision of a Peruvian example.

The second attempt was a 0.5 tonne block that it took 8 men 12 days to fashion. They used cold steel tools, dropped the block at one point almost hospitalising half of the team and in the end there was a gap so large a fat mouse could have crawled in to it and made a nest.

He did admit that it was not as good as the 30 tonne example he was trying to replicate at Sacsayhuaman.

A bit like admitting a homemade firework is no Apollo rocket I suppose.

Decent bloke doing a decent days work. It ain't precision megalithic work though.

Is that the guy you mean?

Yes. The one that proved that you don't know what you're talking about.

The old guy that, on the first try, made a joint almost indistinguishable from an Incan masonry joint.

First try. The equivalent of a twelve year old boy on his first day as an apprentice stonemason in Peru in 1250 C.E.

If you believe the time taken matters, then you're using a present-day perspective. Are you saying that present day people did this masonry work? If not, then why are you using a present day perspective? Do you have any idea of what the Inca considered to be "too much time?" Do you have any idea what the Inca considered time to even be?

Also, do you think that, after a decade or so of doing this sort of work daily, one might get slightly speedier at it? Our apprentice would be 22 years old by then, with ten years of experience. If Protzen was able to do this every day for ten years, do you think he wouldn't get any better at it?

When I was a small child, around 3 years old, I took my father's camera apart. I was unable to put it back together. He was also unable to put it back together. According to your logic, this means whoever built the camera had alien help.

Harte

[seeder]

So if the same techniques and so on were used in our friends the Peruvian walls as at the pyramids, does that mean that there might actually have been a purpose behind all those fancy walls? Well, we seem to be getting somewhere at last.

a purpose behind walls? No of course there wasnt any purpose...there wasnt much to do in ancient times, so they just did it for fun. Talk about a stupid question.

[lightly]

Maybe the wall had bad acne as a teenager?

well ... probly not. Got any better idea? .. I've wondered if they might be pockets where other Embedded rocks had fallen out during the shaping of the host rock. ?? Or some other sort of naturally occurring 'pockets' on the surfaces of , some of, the stones that were shaped . Dunno, they are just Peculiar looking to me.. as are the surfaces of many of the rougher stones. . . .**

[Harte]

I believe I already explained in this very thread the circumstances under which walls become "mysterious."

Harte

[zoser]

Yes. The one that proved that you don't know what you're talking about.

The old guy that, on the first try, made a joint almost indistinguishable from an Incan masonry joint.

First try. The equivalent of a twelve year old boy on his first day as an apprentice stonemason in Peru in 1250 C.E.

If you believe the time taken matters, then you're using a present-day perspective. Are you saying that present day people did this masonry work? If not, then why are you using a present day perspective? Do you have any idea of what the Inca considered to be "too much time?" Do you have any idea what the Inca considered time to even be?

Also, do you think that, after a decade or so of doing this sort of work daily, one might get slightly speedier at it? Our apprentice would be 22 years old by then, with ten years of experience. If Protzen was able to do this every day for ten years, do you think he wouldn't get any better at it?

When I was a small child, around 3 years old, I took my father's camera apart. I was unable to put it back together. He was also unable to put it back together. According to your logic, this means whoever built the camera had alien help.

Harte

Analogies are nice but are never going to prove that Protzen and his team were capable of precision architecture.

If anyone could replicate the great work of the ancient Peruvians they would have put the claim to rest and done it by now. Nobody has and nobody can. All it would take is one decent size block cut and positioned to precision.

We are still waiting.

[zoser]

well ... probly not. Got any better idea? .. I've wondered if they might be pockets where other Embedded rocks had fallen out during the shaping of the host rock. ?? Or some other sort of naturally occurring 'pockets' on the surfaces of , some of, the stones that were shaped . Dunno, they are just Peculiar looking to me.. as are the surfaces of many of the rougher stones. . . .**

That's right. They have clearly been moulded while in a soft state. The means of achieving this soft state is still far from clear but is most likely connected to the vitrification. Heat is one possible scenario.

[Abramelin]

So if the same techniques and so on were used in our friends the Peruvian walls as at the pyramids, does that mean that there might actually have been a purpose behind all those fancy walls? Well, we seem to be getting somewhere at last.

The purpose behind the the Peruvian walls was:

-1- Defence.

They wanted to build fortresses that could withstand attacks by enemies and earthquakes. Both were regular occurrences during their time.

-2- Beauty.

We love the sight of them now, and maybe they loved the sight of them as much as we do.

.

Edited January 31, 2013 by Abramelin

[S2F]

Analogies are nice but are never going to prove that Protzen and his team were capable of precision architecture.

If anyone could replicate the great work of the ancient Peruvians they would have put the claim to rest and done it by now. Nobody has and nobody can. All it would take is one decent size block cut and positioned to precision.

We are still waiting.

That's because nobody cares about AA that much.

If someone in the Ukraine who you didn't know said they wanted you to prove that your were a man and not a woman would you travel there just to show them in person? No, the effort isn't worth the argument. How often do you go about trying to prove the obvious to those who can't see it?

[Abramelin]

Analogies are nice but are never going to prove that Protzen and his team were capable of precision architecture.

If anyone could replicate the great work of the ancient Peruvians they would have put the claim to rest and done it by now. Nobody has and nobody can. All it would take is one decent size block cut and positioned to precision.

We are still waiting.

But they showed you in your favorite site of information: YouTube.

So it must be true, right?

And if they want to replicate a site like Sacsayhuaman, then they will have to use thousands of men working for years on end.

You and I know that will never happen.

[Oniomancer]

Two things come to mind but with absolute certainty they were caused with the blocks in a soft state (clay):

1) They were caused by something trying to push the block back a little. Maybe it was originally too far forward.

2) It was the result of material removed to tune the block in the same way that they remove metal from a bell to tune it.

Well, we're just going to have to agree that you're wrong.

You've done nothing to eliminate conventional hand work as a method for their creation and have even had it's feasibility demonstrated for you. At the same time, you have not explained how a rock could be so squishy as to sag under it's own weight yet yet solid enough that it could be pushed around, without collapsing completely.

To add to what harte said earlier, the oprateive word is not vibration, but pressure. The piezo in piezoelectric. To amount to a vibration, the pressure would need to be intermittent rather than constant, as it would be under the weight of the surrounding stone. It's the phase change that produces the current, so once the crystal is deformed, the current stops. Quartz crystals in watches vibrate because they're specifically shaped into resonators mounted to allow them to move freely in three dimensions and stimulated with an electric "striker", like a bell or a tuning fork:

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/clocks-watches/quartz-watch.htm

What happens if you touch a bell or a tuning fork though? It dampens out the vibration. Your rocks are in contact with the ground and with each other so they are not free to vibrate in their natural mode. Moreover, as stated, the individual quartz crystals are not free to vibrate because they're locked between cyrstals of other minerals which are not only not peizoelectric but vibrate at different rates. To that effect, each rock is also a different size and shape so even if they could vibrate, each one would do so individually at a different rate, resulting in a mishmash of conflicting harmonics.

You're also making much of the odd man out stones but fail to note examples where where this runs against your concept of unified design, particularly in the case of stone circles. Not only are many of these of stone types incompatible with your idea but some contain a variety of different stones. Stonehenge for instance is made up of no less than 20 different stone types. In any case, neither they nor many of the constructs else where fit with the suggested giza power plant scheme as there is no structure for containment ,as the rock needs to soaking wet to be conductive.

[synchronomy]

I work in the British Museum in London. That's why I know so much about ancient artefacts.

What?

I thought pages and pages back you said you were a teacher? ....cause I seem to remember commenting that I hope you weren't presenting your theories to your students cause they might grow up having a screwed up view of the world?

....and then at some point you were an engineer?

How many times have you climbed Mt. Everest?

Zoser at the British Museum

Edited February 1, 2013 by synchronomy

[Abramelin]

What?

I thought pages and pages back you said you were a teacher? ....cause I seem to remember commenting that I hope you weren't presenting your theories to your students cause they might grow up having a screwed up view of the world?

....and then at some point you were an engineer?

How many times have you climbed Mt. Everest?

Zoser at the British Museum

"In my previous role I was an engineer and I did this for 23 years. I know what it takes to quarry, move, finish and position hundred tonne blocks and I know it is beyond the capability of people just emergent from the stone age."

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=237842&st=1110#entry4571272