scowl Posted December 10, 2012 #451 Share Posted December 10, 2012 This thread is starting to derail into a science debate and no one here is a physic professor and has enough knowledge to judge who is right or wrong. It also does nothing to prove the existence of Mr. Right Wing's version of God which he fashioned out of quantum physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted December 11, 2012 #452 Share Posted December 11, 2012 It also does nothing to prove the existence of Mr. Right Wing's version of God which he fashioned out of quantum physics. Actually I if you go and have a look at Pantheism, Taoism and Buddhism you'll discover 'my verion of God' is not my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etu Malku Posted December 11, 2012 #453 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Actually I if you go and have a look at Pantheism, Taoism and Buddhism you'll discover 'my verion of God' is not my own. I believe that the objective universe is what most religions associate as a Supreme Being, I just don't believe that is where it stops or that is all there is to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted December 11, 2012 #454 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) It also does nothing to prove the existence of Mr. Right Wing's version of God which he fashioned out of quantum physics. He clearly ignores QM when it refutes his egocentric view though. Edited December 11, 2012 by Rlyeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonT Posted December 18, 2012 #455 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I really don't understand what your problem is. Science has proven that energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only be transferred. If Energy can only be transferred, it means that Energy is and always has been. If Energy begets everything (e=mc2), and Energy has always existed, it stands to reason that every effect does NOT have to have a cause. Energy is an effect without a cause Remember Energy cannot be created or destroyed - it just is and always has been. Energy is a kind of God....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scowl Posted December 18, 2012 #456 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Energy is a kind of God....... Especially in America. We fight wars for our God. We complain when He costs too much. We insulate our houses so He doesn't leave too quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted December 18, 2012 #457 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I really don't understand what your problem is. Science has proven that energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only be transferred. If Energy can only be transferred, it means that Energy is and always has been. If Energy begets everything (e=mc2), and Energy has always existed, it stands to reason that every effect does NOT have to have a cause. Energy is an effect without a cause Remember Energy cannot be created or destroyed - it just is and always has been. Energy is a kind of God....... You are on the right track my friend. Now consider an eternal organizing of energy through evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccv2389 Posted December 21, 2012 #458 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Makes me think of the joke: 'When did time start?' 'Even Time doesn't remember, it was before his time.' Awsome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingAngel Posted December 23, 2012 #459 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Science has proven that energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can only be transferred. If Energy can only be transferred, it means that Energy is and always has been. If Energy begets everything (e=mc2), and Energy has always existed, it stands to reason that every effect does NOT have to have a cause. Energy is an effect without a cause Remember Energy cannot be created or destroyed - it just is and always has been. Energy is a kind of God....... Science didn't prove anything. It is a theory invented to fit the view and the physics withing the solar system, a study of small scale to deduce the bigger scale. Answers begets questions: if energy is quantifiable, then how much energy existed in the beginning? If nothing existed beside Energy, then what triggered that Energy to "explode" to create the Big Bang or the Energy "decided" to explode on its own? (like it has a mind). If the Energy has some kinds of inner mechanic, isn't it like saying all laws of physics also exist at the same time of the Energy? A law of physic isn't energy existed in a material form, it's an abstraction represents how the universe works. For me it's not called energy, call it whatever you like. But it has to existed before for any kind of Big Bang to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted December 23, 2012 #460 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Science didn't prove anything. It is a theory invented to fit the view and the physics withing the solar system, a study of small scale to deduce the bigger scale. Answers begets questions: if energy is quantifiable, then how much energy existed in the beginning? If nothing existed beside Energy, then what triggered that Energy to "explode" to create the Big Bang or the Energy "decided" to explode on its own? (like it has a mind). If the Energy has some kinds of inner mechanic, isn't it like saying all laws of physics also exist at the same time of the Energy? A law of physic isn't energy existed in a material form, it's an abstraction represents how the universe works. For me it's not called energy, call it whatever you like. But it has to existed before for any kind of Big Bang to happen This is correct. There must be rules before rules can be expressed. However. In all the vacuum with every single virtual particle subject to quantum tunneling. At some point in all of eternity by sheer chance ( or directed intelligence) an emense amount of positive particles could theoretically tunnel to the same spot in the universe. Not hindered by gravity yet because gravity has not emerged Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonT Posted December 26, 2012 #461 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Yes nothing would have emerged yet - There was just energy - no rules to follow, just nothing but energy. The laws of physics arose as part of the effect of the Big Bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted December 26, 2012 #462 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Maybe I represent the blissful ignorant agnostic here. I don't care if we were created in pool of primordial soup or molded from a ball of clay. (Which, when you think about it, is basically the same thing.) It's the here and now that matters most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess_Lilith Posted December 26, 2012 #463 Share Posted December 26, 2012 I think most people came from God's alter ego, Satan...majority of believers help prove this to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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