Popular Post Thanato Posted December 19, 2012 Popular Post #1 Share Posted December 19, 2012 The latest U.S. debate: Should teachers carry guns? In the small rural Harrold Independent School District in northwest Texas, some teachers are allowed to be armed with guns — a controversial policy that advocates believe may prevent shooting rampages like the one in Newtown, Conn., and has gained traction among other U.S. lawmakers. Superintendent David Thweatt created the so-called Guardian Plan about four years ago in response to the 2006 shooting in an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania and to the Virginia Tech shooting spree of 2007. Teachers in this school district, who have undergone gun handling training and who have been approved by the school board, are given permission to carry concealed weapons. "We’re 18 miles and 30 minutes from the nearest police station," Thweatt told FoxNews.com. "So we are our first responders. "If something happened here, we would have to protect our children. You know, police officers are true, everyday heroes in my book, but one of them once told me something very revealing. He said, 'Ninety-five percent of the time, we get to the scene late.' I can’t afford to let that happen." http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/19/f-newport-shooting-guns-teachers.html Ok, so let me get this straight. The way to stop shootings is to arm people who are untrained to deal with such situations? I am a trained soldier have been on tour so I've gone through training to use my rifle in stressful situations but that is because it is my job. I have seen what happens when jumpy soldiers are under trained in the use of their firearms (they where not front line soldiers) and this resulted in the near wounding or killing of friendly troops in the camp (we where under enemy attack). Now giving a teacher a gun is a VERY bad idea. They might have some training in it's use but will have no where near the training of a Police Officer or other agency who's primary job is to deal with this type of situation. You give a teacher a gun and odds are more then just the gunman will get injured. They will be scared, jumpy, have tunnel vision, and odds are shoot first see who it is later. More then likely they will empty their magazine fast or not be able to react in the first place. A normal human being is not likely to shoot another human being (this is a fact proven by the military, which started changing training methods during the last half century). I just have to ask if your solution to school shootings is to arm untrained Educators, then America look in the mirror and find the route of the problem, not a potentially dangerous band aid solution. ~Thanato 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted December 19, 2012 #2 Share Posted December 19, 2012 This doesn't go far enough. They need to arm the kids! And babies! And babies in the womb! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 19, 2012 #3 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I was waiting for someone to suggest this. Welcome to the land of the Free. Where the only way to survive is to have a Gun with you at all times, just in case anyone you meet might be a psychopath. Really, America, when are you going to realise that something's gone seriously wrong. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted December 19, 2012 #4 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I have a better idea: arm the kids too! When will some learn that civilization cannot perdure there where you are expecting to fight for your life every day? The gun may have conquered the West, but outlawing guns from town won it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamgoddess2011 Posted December 19, 2012 #5 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Question for you... If someone made a threat against you what would you do daily? Make sure your home is locked? But then at some point you would think... Locked doors keep honest people honest. Then what would you do? Get a gun for protection? Because you would think honestly that would be the only chance in hell you'd have to survive a threatening intruder with a weapon.... Or you could simply call 911 and wait for cops to arrive to handle it. But you take great risk in tragedy vs triumph and survival. Come on think about it. I went thru this scenario and came to the above conclusion. What other choice did I have!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted December 19, 2012 #6 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Everyone should be given a handgun, then we can settle things like gentlemen, with duels. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamgoddess2011 Posted December 19, 2012 #7 Share Posted December 19, 2012 The way to protect schools is to have a trained armed guard. Duh people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 19, 2012 #8 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Question for you... If someone made a threat against you what would you do daily? Make sure your home is locked? But then at some point you would think... Locked doors keep honest people honest. Then what would you do? Get a gun for protection? Because you would think honestly that would be the only chance in hell you'd have to survive a threatening intruder with a weapon.... Or you could simply call 911 and wait for cops to arrive to handle it. But you take great risk in tragedy vs triumph and survival. Come on think about it. I went thru this scenario and came to the above conclusion. What other choice did I have!? Sorry, what did you do, call the cops or get a gun? Editing this, saw your second post! "The way to protect schools is to have a trained armed guard. Duh people!" but just want to clarify first....were you being sarcastic or did you really mean it? Edited December 19, 2012 by freetoroam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted December 19, 2012 #9 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Question for you... If someone made a threat against you what would you do daily? Make sure your home is locked? But then at some point you would think... Locked doors keep honest people honest. Then what would you do? Get a gun for protection? Because you would think honestly that would be the only chance in hell you'd have to survive a threatening intruder with a weapon.... Or you could simply call 911 and wait for cops to arrive to handle it. But you take great risk in tragedy vs triumph and survival. Come on think about it. I went thru this scenario and came to the above conclusion. What other choice did I have!? Now let me answer that with another question: If calling 911 works in the rest of the world why does it not in the US? And the answer is: it works, it is just the obstination of a few who think they can stay civilized while taking justice into their own hand who deny that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted December 19, 2012 #10 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Now let me answer that with another question: If calling 911 works in the rest of the world why does it not in the US? And the answer is: it works, it is just the obstination of a few who think they can stay civilized while taking justice into their own hand who deny that. As my dad said this morning 'when seconds matter, the cops will be there in minutes.' 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMelsWell Posted December 19, 2012 #11 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Arming teachers is a very bad idea. The thought of some of the teachers I had being armed sends chills down my spine to be honest. I was a community college teacher at one time. You wouldn't have wanted me armed, nor would I want to have been either. In fact, if you'd posed this question 2 weeks ago, you'd have found VERY few people who would agreed and most would have thought you were bat crap crazy for even asking the question. This question being posed today is reactionary at best. Edited December 19, 2012 by MissMelsWell 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 19, 2012 #12 Share Posted December 19, 2012 my old RE teacher would throw the chalk board at us (thats going back a bit), i would not even like to think what would have happened if he has a gun in his drawer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted December 19, 2012 #13 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Principles/Vice Principles and staff that may not be in the classrooms at any given time. We dont need teachers with guns on there hip teaching social science to 8 year olds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted December 19, 2012 #14 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Now let me answer that with another question: If calling 911 works in the rest of the world why does it not in the US? And the answer is: it works, it is just the obstination of a few who think they can stay civilized while taking justice into their own hand who deny that. if you call 911 by the time the police get there 99% of the time they're too late to do anything but take a report if they even show up. I called 911 about five years ago at 3 in the morning to report there were two men stealing a car from the parking lot across the street from my apartment. after hanging up I continued to watch as the men pushed the vintage 72 SS Camaro quietly out of the parking lot jump in and compression start it (this took about two minutes after I hung up) they then drove away. I never received a call back, the police didn't knock on my door to get a statement, and they never even showed up. I waited an hour and a half then went back to bed. So Mark, tell me your experience where you called 911 and they showed up and saved the day.That anecdote being told I say arming teachers is not the answer. The answer is for physchologists and physicians to stop prescribing anti depressants and antii-psychotics to people under the age of 30. There are how many guns in the USA right now? Suddenly making them harder to buy or even making them ilegal isn't going to have much effect for decades. It's a stupid idea and won't work. If I had a gun the answer to guns are now ilegal would be the old tried and true "they'll get my gun when the pry it from my cold dead hand". Edited December 19, 2012 by OverSword 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted December 19, 2012 #15 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I was waiting for someone to suggest this. Welcome to the land of the Free. Where the only way to survive is to have a Gun with you at all times, just in case anyone you meet might be a psychopath. Really, America, when are you going to realise that something's gone seriously wrong. You're right about that 747--something has gone seriously wrong in this country. But what's wrong is NOT precipitated by the Second Amendment. Lotsa things are wrong, like the government being utterly controlled by special interests, and another is that youngsters are routinely prescribed very serious mind-altering drugs. Good intentions all the way, but poor policy based upon about 20 years of administering powerful mind-altering drugs to youngsters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 19, 2012 #16 Share Posted December 19, 2012 if you call 911 by the time the police get there 99% of the time they're too late to do anything but take a report if they even show up. I called 911 about five years ago at 3 in the morning to report there were two men stealing a car from the parking lot across the street from my apartment. after hanging up I continued to watch as the men pushed the vintage 72 SS Camaro quietly out of the parking lot jump in and compression start it (this took about two minutes after I hung up) they then drove away. I never received a call back, the police didn't knock on my door to get a statement, and they never even showed up. I waited an hour and a half then went back to bed. So Mark, tell me your experience where you called 911 and they showed up and saved the day. isn't that, though, the same everywhere in the world? is the American police uniquely inefficient? Doesn't the fact that gun crime in the U.S. is stratospherically higher than anywhere else in the world suggest that taking the law into one's own hands doesn't acually work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted December 19, 2012 #17 Share Posted December 19, 2012 isn't that, though, the same everywhere in the world? is the American police uniquely inefficient? Doesn't the fact that gun crime in the U.S. is stratospherically higher than anywhere else in the world suggest that taking the law into one's own hands doesn't acually work? Besides, the response time of the US police is generally faster than in Europe, especially in urban areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted December 19, 2012 #18 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I seriously don't know the correct route. I was brought up around guns, but always safety was emphasized first. I have no issue with law abiding citizen owning them. But something needs to be done. We can't just keep saying 'oh well' as innocent kids are brutally murdered. I wish there was an obvious solution, but I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I'm looking to our elected leaders and think tanks across the nation to help out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybebe Posted December 19, 2012 #19 Share Posted December 19, 2012 This is one of the stupidest suggestions I have ever read. But, not surprised, though. It's not the guns, it is the mentality that is the problem. But, let's look for the 'easiest' solution and bury our heads in the sand rather than admit to the real problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted December 19, 2012 #20 Share Posted December 19, 2012 What happens when the first under-paid-over-stressed teacher snaps, spraying that kid who's been torturing him for the whole year with 9mm rounds? Then what? Kids going to school in Kevlar uniforms? Jeez, the answer's obvious. Home school 'em . Kids usually end up as retarded as their parents anyway... At least, I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGirl Posted December 19, 2012 #21 Share Posted December 19, 2012 arm the teachers???? what the hell kind of solution is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 19, 2012 #22 Share Posted December 19, 2012 arm the teachers???? what the hell kind of solution is that? Yep, thats what some people think is a solution? can i suggest next time you go out and buy bread, put one of these on, you can never be too careful!: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowhive Posted December 19, 2012 #23 Share Posted December 19, 2012 When I first heard about this I thought it was some kind of joke but now... There is something deeply wrong with the US's gun culture and I honestly wonder what will it take for something to be actually done about it. The unfortunate thing is the people with guns seem to have some sort of pathological need to keep a hold of them, that giving them up is just not an option. Something really needs to be done about it and the gun people just have to stop and think about what's important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted December 19, 2012 #24 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Geez, insanity at it's best... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted December 19, 2012 #25 Share Posted December 19, 2012 A country that strives on the saying "to take law into your own hands". A culture that's probably just a step away from total anarchy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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