Clarakore Posted December 25, 2012 #26 Share Posted December 25, 2012 (edited) you don't have to believe me, but a dole bludger is portrayed as caucasion in the media etc, there's even a comedy television series called "housos" sponsored by centrelink (the welfare agency in our country) about dole bludgers who are white. OK maybe that is the media's portrayal but how do other people use it? The kind who don't have to worry about others protesting and making them lose advertising revenue? And to be definitive you are claiming "dole bludger" is not also used to describe aboriginals and immigrants? But instead of just a part of them, as I imagine all Caucasians are not given that label, are the majority of aboriginals and immigrants given that label? Edited December 25, 2012 by I believe you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_kenshin Posted December 25, 2012 #27 Share Posted December 25, 2012 (edited) And to be definitive you are claiming "dole bludger" is not also used to describe aboriginals and immigrants? But instead of just a part of them, as I imagine all Caucasians are not given that label, are the majority of aboriginals and immigrants given that label? I never said aboriginals or immigrants are not called dole bludgers, in immigrants case its dependent, people who follow the normal immigrant procedure usually find work and are not viewed as such, while government statistics show a majority of aslyum seekers that force their way in via boat are still claiming welfare over 5 years since approved entry to the country. With aboriginals part of the problem is caused by there being certain welfare only for aboriginals (creating a "us vs them" mentality) Edited December 25, 2012 by evil_kenshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarakore Posted December 25, 2012 #28 Share Posted December 25, 2012 (edited) You might believe it is a one-way street where aboriginals and immigrants have decided to be part of another social class without understanding that society itself also plays a role. I never said aboriginals or immigrants are not called dole bludgers, in immigrants case its dependent, people who follow the normal immigrant procedure usually find work and are not viewed as such, while government statistics show a majority of aslyum seekers that force their way in via boat are still claiming welfare over 5 years since approved entry to the country. With aboriginals part of the problem is caused by there being certain welfare only for aboriginals (creating a "us vs them" mentality) Which brings me back to this: If immigrants come and have access to mechanisms that allow upward mobility then they will integrate. If not they won't. We as a society design the environment and in return engineer society by doing so, it happens by commission or ommision. If immigrants come and are just given dead end jobs then society is choosing to use these people as a cheap source of labor with no path to equal status in society. Edited December 25, 2012 by I believe you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted December 25, 2012 #29 Share Posted December 25, 2012 A "new era of peace and love" in the world,...!? Sure, maybe when Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarakore Posted December 25, 2012 #30 Share Posted December 25, 2012 (edited) A "new era of peace and love" in the world,...!? Sure, maybe when All this tells me is not only do you not believe others are not ready for peace and unity but that you are neither. I am not ready either because I know the world outside is just a mirror of the one inside. Peace and unity on the inside and outside, ya, I want it. So it will come because more and more of us feel like this. We also understand that good and bad always occur, at the same time, you cannot completely get rid of one or the other, but the balance must be maintained and I do believe the scales are being tipped back. Edited December 25, 2012 by I believe you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted December 25, 2012 #31 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Good sentiments from Evo Morales! I hope he is right. Trouble is, there is huge inertia of evil, for lack of a better word, to be overcome. Wars on several continents, talk of attacking Iran, Zionists rule at every level--banking and government. Good luck on all that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 25, 2012 #32 Share Posted December 25, 2012 We all have our delusions. Which capitalism doesn't prevent. Capitalism doesn't prevent it? The law-of-the-jungle competition that Capitalism depends upon does pretty well preclude any notions of not wanting to get to the top over the bodies of all your compeititors, doesn't it? That's how the most successful companies got where they are today, after all. But as Capitalism is completely built on a basis of something that doesn't actually exist (i.e. the whole world of credit and internaitonal finance), it is of course actually an illusion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted December 25, 2012 #33 Share Posted December 25, 2012 (edited) Capitalism doesn't prevent it? The law-of-the-jungle competition that Capitalism depends upon does pretty well preclude any notions of not wanting to get to the top over the bodies of all your compeititors, doesn't it? That's how the most successful companies got where they are today, after all. But as Capitalism is completely built on a basis of something that doesn't actually exist (i.e. the whole world of credit and internaitonal finance), it is of course actually an illusion anyway. You're right. Those people (capitalists) have never shared or given away anything. Thankyou for exposing their lies. Edited December 25, 2012 by Rlyeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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