Spreckel Mansion Death/Suicide

[+susieice]

Let's see. Right now, I'm going to a vascular surgeon. He's good at what he does but he sent me to a cardiologist because he doesn't know things outside of his specialty. Adam said he didn't use ropes a lot. He wired up barges using chains and come alongs. He only needed to study for the tests. It's possible he didn't know the technical terms for all these knots. Of course, it's also possible he perjured himself. I'm not so sure the knots scored big points.

Edited March 20, 2018 by susieice

[Vincennes]

2 minutes ago, susieice said:

Let's see. Right now, I'm going to a vascular surgeon. He's good at what he does but he sent me to a cardiologist because he doesn't know things outside of his specialty. Adam said he didn't use ropes a lot. He wired up barges using chains and come alongs. He only needed to study for the tests.

Your saying that vascular surgeon doesn't know the knots leading up to his specialty .....   Come on.....

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, Vincennes said:

Your saying that vascular surgeon doesn't know the knots leading up to his specialty .....   Come on.....

No Vincennes. I'm saying a vascular surgeon wouldn't know something outside of his specialty. He doesn't need to.

Edited March 20, 2018 by susieice

[Vincennes]

Just now, susieice said:

No Vincennes. I'm saying a vascular surgeon wouldn't know something outside of his specialty.

I'm sorry but you are wrong.  How do you think he got to his specialty.  He got there because he was the best of all that he needed to know along the way.  Including what knots work best in what suture materials and in what placement.  He didn't just POOF into vascular....

[Vincennes]

3 minutes ago, susieice said:

No Vincennes. I'm saying a vascular surgeon wouldn't know something outside of his specialty.

Good Lord !  I'm really done here.  

Edited March 20, 2018 by Vincennes

[+susieice]

Just now, Vincennes said:

I'm sorry but you are wrong.  How do you think he got to his specialty.  He got there because he was the best of all that he needed to know along the way.  Including what knots work best in what suture materials and in what placement.  He didn't just POOF into vascular....

But he isn't a cardiologist. That's why he sent me to one. Knows nothing about the heart. He doesn't practice on that body part.

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, Vincennes said:

Good Lord !  I'm really done here.  

Do you understand what a specialist is? They work in one specific field of medicine. Not all of them.

[WiggedOut]

It sounded to me like Adam said they used large cables to secure the Tug, and it sounded like it took a couple of people to maneuver them, they are so big. Even though it may be positioned into something similar to a simple knot, he said no one really thinks of it that way. They use large wires to connect the barges together.

I saw a couple of things up thread as I was catching up that are not correct. No one ever offered a settlement in this case. That is made very clear in the video apology news conference that Zahau Lawyer Greer gave when he dismissed Dina Shacknai and Nina Romano from the lawsuit after seeing video of Dina at Radys (which had been reported in 2011).  Greer tried to say that the Reporter “misunderstood”. Him.

Both of Adam’s parents are deceased. Mother died before all of this happened, and Father remarried, and died in 2016. Too bad he did not get to see Adam vindicated.

 

 

[+susieice]

This was the broadcast from cbs8 tonight on the case.

http://www.cbs8.com/clip/14209617/mansion-death-lawsuit-adam-shacknai-takes-the-stand

[+susieice]

1 hour ago, WiggedOut said:

It sounded to me like Adam said they used large cables to secure the Tug, and it sounded like it took a couple of people to maneuver them, they are so big. Even though it may be positioned into something similar to a simple knot, he said no one really thinks of it that way. They use large wires to connect the barges together.

I saw a couple of things up thread as I was catching up that are not correct. No one ever offered a settlement in this case. That is made very clear in the video apology news conference that Zahau Lawyer Greer gave when he dismissed Dina Shacknai and Nina Romano from the lawsuit after seeing video of Dina at Radys (which had been reported in 2011).  Greer tried to say that the Reporter “misunderstood”. Him.

Both of Adam’s parents are deceased. Mother died before all of this happened, and Father remarried, and died in 2016. Too bad he did not get to see Adam vindicated.

 

 

Adam did only mention his father. He talked about family gatherings. I had just thought his mother was there also. He was testifying about his dad's notifying him in 2011. They celebrated dad's 75th in New York so I can see where dad may have past. Rebecca, Jonah, and Adam were all present at that party.

It was dad who called and told him about Max.

The case is still ongoing so Adam hasn't been vindicated yet. This is going to go on for a couple weeks more.

He did say they use cables about 3 inches in diameter to secure the tug and they use wires with some kind of chains and a come along to connect the barges.

Edited March 20, 2018 by susieice

[+Not A Rockstar]

39 minutes ago, susieice said:

Adam did only mention his father. He talked about family gatherings. I had just thought his mother was there also. He was testifying about his dad's notifying him in 2011. They celebrated dad's 75th in New York so I can see where dad may have past. Rebecca, Jonah, and Adam were all present at that party.

It was dad who called and told him about Max.

The case is still ongoing so Adam hasn't been vindicated yet. This is going to go on for a couple weeks more.

I live a quarter mile from a ferry and know the Captain so went up there and showed him the knots and he looked at me and said this was stupid. They use half hitches for their ferry, which is a small one, can hold like six cars for a crossing. Overnight they use a double and secure it otherwise with a cable. He said the large ferries and tug boats rarely use ropes at all anymore. Captains, even on his tug, almost never touch the ropes at all. He stays at the wheel and his one mate handles that. On a big one he really never would. Tests are multiple choice and even though states vary he just said it is the sort of thing you remember the canned answers and move on, it is not a big thing to them nor much at all on a test, which is more concerned with other safety type issues and nautical things. He thought maybe sailing boats needed it more and wondered if they or someone had sail boats and so used them a lot there to do all this excessive knotting on her.

Just FYI. 

If someone is convinced Adam is lying and did it, of course, then none of this matters. He is one cap is all, and so is Adam and they vary I am sure. But, they do the job more than I do.

 

[+susieice]

13 minutes ago, Not A Rockstar said:

I live a quarter mile from a ferry and know the Captain so went up there and showed him the knots and he looked at me and said this was stupid. They use half hitches for their ferry, which is a small one, can hold like six cars for a crossing. Overnight they use a double and secure it otherwise with a cable. He said the large ferries and tug boats rarely use ropes at all anymore. Captains, even on his tug, almost never touch the ropes at all. He stays at the wheel and his one mate handles that. On a big one he really never would. Tests are multiple choice and even though states vary he just said it is the sort of thing you remember the canned answers and move on, it is not a big thing to them nor much at all on a test, which is more concerned with other safety type issues and nautical things. He thought maybe sailing boats needed it more and wondered if they or someone had sail boats and so used them a lot there to do all this excessive knotting on her.

Just FYI. 

If someone is convinced Adam is lying and did it, of course, then none of this matters. He is one cap is all, and so is Adam and they vary I am sure. But, they do the job more than I do.

 

Adam said in his testimony he didn't use ropes or do much tying. Not his job for quite a while. He's been doing this for 28 years. He tells all the licenses he holds and describes how all the securing on the tug is done. Your Captain sounds like he knows what he's talking about. I'm sorry. I edited the post you quoted to reflex the wires and the come along. He talked about the really big ratchets too.

Edited March 20, 2018 by susieice

[+susieice]

Copied this from what I quoted above Rockstar. You mean like, rich friends at the local yacht club? Or on Arizona lakes? Lots of sail boats there. Now, that's a thought!

 He thought maybe sailing boats needed it more and wondered if they or someone had sail boats and so used them a lot there to do all this excessive knotting on her.

 

[+Not A Rockstar]

I find it hard to tell from just seeing pictures but the type of rope seems waterproof or resistant and useful on lighter boats POSSIBLY? I am not a boater to be knowing. IF she went down and got it from their garage, as I have read, then they had it there. Do they have a boat? Did the in Arizona? Rich folks have yachts and boats. Maybe they had one. 

idk. I find it hard to be sure the rope type just by looking at pics.

[+susieice]

Boating is big both in California and Arizona. I'm sure Jonah and family went boating and had friends who did also.

[+Not A Rockstar]

The ropes on the local ferry, even small as it is are massive. I MIGHT get one hand around one as thick as they are.  Maybe just succeed. So these lighter weight ropes like were on here were for a smaller use? 

idk. I just do not think the knots prove Adam at all.  Plus what are these examples supposedly taken from there? A book opened to how to tie yourself up? This movie they took as evidence as it replicates the suicide. How were the knots done in that one? 

I hear all these things but even in court now do not see them brought together if they are even true to begin with.

[+susieice]

Adam's been doing this for 28 years and advanced many years ago from the sound of it. The tests are every five years. He's a licensed river pilot on a boat that's 150-200 ft long. I don't know if they'd even use ropes. They're pulling 4-5 barges at a time, each weighing a couple of tons. I always thought the pilot mapped and guided the boat through the underwater rocks and currents of the river. I could be wrong. It sure sounds like what they used were a lot bigger than what's used on a smaller boat. Adam talked about wires and chains and cables, which makes sense for what a tugboat that size does.

[Regi]

On 3/19/2018 at 10:51 PM, Not A Rockstar said:

I live a quarter mile from a ferry and know the Captain so went up there and showed him the knots and he looked at me and said this was stupid.

  Which is why Greer didn't put on another tug boat pilot or deckhand as a witness.

On 3/19/2018 at 10:51 PM, Not A Rockstar said:

He thought maybe sailing boats needed it more and wondered if they or someone had sail boats and so used them a lot there to do all this excessive knotting on her.

The multiple wrappings around the limbs are what I find excessive.

13 hours ago, Not A Rockstar said:

The ropes on the local ferry, even small as it is are massive. I MIGHT get one hand around one as thick as they are.  Maybe just succeed. So these lighter weight ropes like were on here were for a smaller use?

It's a ski rope cut into three sections. (See autopsy report, starting at bottom section of p. 8.)

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/zahau, rebecca_report.pdf

Edited March 21, 2018 by regi

[+Not A Rockstar]

Ski rope! OK then thanks Regi

The multiples of them is what is ridiculous, yeah. 

 

[+susieice]

Page 8 into 9 of the autopsy refers to the bindings on the wrists and ankles. It refers to a water sport type rope. Yes, they could done water skiing. The rope would be easily accessible. Couldn't copy and past but report is in post #373.

Edited March 21, 2018 by susieice

[+susieice]

http://fox5sandiego.com/2018/03/21/judge-dismisses-1-of-3-claims-in-zahau-wrongful-death-suit/

[+Not A Rockstar]

10 hours ago, susieice said:

http://fox5sandiego.com/2018/03/21/judge-dismisses-1-of-3-claims-in-zahau-wrongful-death-suit/

wasn't this about the dress the Zahau took to bury her in and after the fact claimed it had been taken by Jonah and refused to them? 

[+susieice]

12 minutes ago, Not A Rockstar said:

wasn't this about the dress the Zahau took to bury her in and after the fact claimed it had been taken by Jonah and refused to them? 

I believe so. Wondering about the water sports rope. People who water ski usually use an outboard. You need a boat that can accelerate quickly and maintain a high speed to lift up the skier and keep them up. Most people I know won't put an outboard into the ocean because salt water is too corrosive to the engine. I can see both of them zipping around Lake Mohave or Lake Havasu. They were both known to be athletic. But they were in southern California and ocean. With Jonah's money, he could own several boats. There may be a yacht with that kind of gumption, don't know a lot about yachts, but I still think they'd use an outboard. Could be the same rope was used in different ways on both. A water ski line would also have the handle the skier holds on to. That could have been cut off. Or this could be another kind of rope used for some other sport altogether. They could have taken an outboard to a lake. California has a lot of them or Mohave is about a 3-4 hour drive away. Just something I've been tossing around in my head today. 

Edited March 22, 2018 by susieice

[+Not A Rockstar]

This makes sense. Soon as Regi said ski rope it fell into place for me why a rope like that was even around. I am not a skier nor a boater so the type of rope was not obvious to me.

I just struggle to believe now that Adam had anything to do with it. That the type of rope was there and was available to either Rebecca or her killer otherwise fits. It now sounds like an item they would have reasonably had around in the garage. I also do not think that knots also used in boating were some obscure talent only Adam would know about. 

[+susieice]

2 minutes ago, Not A Rockstar said:

This makes sense. Soon as Regi said ski rope it fell into place for me why a rope like that was even around. I am not a skier nor a boater so the type of rope was not obvious to me.

I just struggle to believe now that Adam had anything to do with it. That the type of rope was there and was available to either Rebecca or her killer otherwise fits. It now sounds like an item they would have reasonably had around in the garage. I also do not think that knots also used in boating were some obscure talent only Adam would know about. 

If Rebecca went boating with Jonah, she may well have known how to tie a knot.

Edited March 22, 2018 by susieice