+Not A Rockstar Posted March 26, 2018 #726 Share Posted March 26, 2018 This is excellent, thanks for doing that Regi! I wonder if she related to this film especially, felt somehow used or wronged, or if it simply was just a film laying around that never was anything to the case or her decisions at all. I mean if I died in my office and you tried to learn who I am from what is here, you'd make mistakes as some of the items here aren't mine, but belong to family members. I wonder why they took it. Was it on her computer recently watched for example? That might matter. Was it just in a rack of dvd? Then maybe it is a real stretch. Anyway thanks again Regi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted March 26, 2018 #727 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Not A Rockstar said: This is excellent, thanks for doing that Regi! Well, it was all my pleasure, but it wasn't excellent, and what I mean is that I see that I goofed when I noted some of the common elements. You see, I was referring to the 2010 version while the movie associated with this case would have to have been the original. Sooo obviously, I'd have to see the original before I could identify the common elements. In case anyone's interested, here's the original...(with subtitles! ) 1 hour ago, Not A Rockstar said: I wonder if she related to this film especially, felt somehow used or wronged, or if it simply was just a film laying around that never was anything to the case or her decisions at all. I mean if I died in my office and you tried to learn who I am from what is here, you'd make mistakes as some of the items here aren't mine, but belong to family members. I wonder why they took it. Was it on her computer recently watched for example? That might matter. Was it just in a rack of dvd? Then maybe it is a real stretch. I'd certainly like to know all the details surrounding that because I'd find it intriguing. Btw, there was a candle listed among items collected during a search warrant which I found to be a very odd item to collect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted March 26, 2018 #728 Share Posted March 26, 2018 a candle..... huh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 28, 2018 #729 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Testimony has ended in the case. Should go to the jury soon. http://www.cbs8.com/story/37823658/mansion-death-lawsuit-testimony-wraps-in-zahau-wrongful-death-civil-trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted March 28, 2018 #730 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) Re: the original Housemaid movie, I watched it and found that the remake is very, very different- an entirely different story, actually, but if it was (somehow) collected/obtained from the scene, I'm sure it was found to have no evidentiary value whatsoever. (There was no tying; there wasn't even hanging, there suicide, but not by hanging.) Anyway... On 3/26/2018 at 2:55 PM, Not A Rockstar said: a candle..... huh. I just don't think I've known of a candle collected as potential evidence. *** A rope expert, Robert Chrisnall, testified yesterday- I looked him up and what I found is that he surely knows his stuff. (Interestingly, he's testified for the prosecution in a case in which authorities believed was a staged suicide and in that case, his analysis indicated to him that it was. http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/7909982/International-rope-expert-gives-evidence From what I know of his testimony in this case, he confirms what my position has been all along, mainly that the knots were simple and it wasn't impossible that she did that all herself. Of course, I'd like to hear all of his testimony- the entire trial, actually- and I wish it was made available. http://www.kusi.com/knot-expert-testifies-for-defense-in-coronado-mansion-death-case/ Edited March 28, 2018 by regi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted March 28, 2018 #731 Share Posted March 28, 2018 UGH, probably someone will make a movie of this mess, then someone else will make one of the opposing viewpoint, then a remake and then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 30, 2018 #732 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Closing arguments are scheduled for Monday. Then the case goes to the jury. http://www.kusi.com/rebecca-zahau-trial-latest-with-caitlin-rother/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoebeIzabella Posted April 2, 2018 #733 Share Posted April 2, 2018 There's a really good youtube video on this case and after watching it I believe that Rebecca's death was in fact not a suicide, I think someone (Maybe the boy's uncle? He was staying in the mansion at the same time) killed her and I also believe that Max didn't fall over the side of the stairs either, I think that someone accidentally caused him to go over the edge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted April 2, 2018 #734 Share Posted April 2, 2018 5 hours ago, PhoebeIzabella said: There's a really good youtube video on this case and after watching it I believe that Rebecca's death was in fact not a suicide, I think someone (Maybe the boy's uncle? He was staying in the mansion at the same time) killed her and I also believe that Max didn't fall over the side of the stairs either, I think that someone accidentally caused him to go over the edge. Do you think it's impossible that Zahau binded herself? (I ask only because it's my observation that those of your opinion are also of the notion that it was an impossibility.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted April 2, 2018 #735 Share Posted April 2, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 9:39 PM, susieice said: Closing arguments are scheduled for Monday. Then the case goes to the jury. http://www.kusi.com/rebecca-zahau-trial-latest-with-caitlin-rother/ Those interested to learn actual facts established during trial testimony shouldn't rely on Rother's perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted April 3, 2018 #736 Share Posted April 3, 2018 ^ Yeah, she's come across to me as a bit of a flake, but I think what's most important to recognize is that she's an author as opposed to a reporter...in other words, while she may have what it takes to be an author- I actually don't know, I've never heard of her- but she obviously (maybe just obvious to me) doesn't have what it takes to be a reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted April 4, 2018 #737 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Jury is in deliberations. http://www.cbs8.com/story/37859797/mansion-death-lawsuit-closing-arguments-to-begin-in-wrongful-death-suit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted April 4, 2018 #738 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Jury found Adam liable but I hear they will appeal. 5 Mill is all, though, they will owe most of that to the lawyers. I just am astounded they could do that, but we shall see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted April 4, 2018 #739 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Not A Rockstar said: Jury found Adam liable but I hear they will appeal. 5 Mill is all, though, they will owe most of that to the lawyers. I just am astounded they could do that, but we shall see. Got the link here. I'm surprised also. There was no evidence pointing to Adam but he was the only other person known to be there on the property that night. http://www.cbs8.com/story/37878542/mansion-death-lawsuit-jury-now-deciding-zahau-wrongful-death-suit Edited April 4, 2018 by susieice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted April 4, 2018 #740 Share Posted April 4, 2018 yeah I thought it was same as the one you posted before. I understand wondering if it was suicide, but I don't understand how a man with no DNA or witnesses putting him inside the house gets found guilty. No criminal past, no testimony about bad rapport, had dinner with her that night, yet he becomes a murderous and twisted maniac and killer... then reverts back to a normal seeming guy. anyway, enough of that. Nice debate, everyone, enjoyed it and you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted April 4, 2018 #741 Share Posted April 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Not A Rockstar said: yeah I thought it was same as the one you posted before. I understand wondering if it was suicide, but I don't understand how a man with no DNA or witnesses putting him inside the house gets found guilty. No criminal past, no testimony about bad rapport, had dinner with her that night, yet he becomes a murderous and twisted maniac and killer... then reverts back to a normal seeming guy. anyway, enough of that. Nice debate, everyone, enjoyed it and you It isn't the same link Rockstar. My previous post was just that the jury had deliberated. This one was the verdict. If this was murder, it was well executed. Too much so for someone like Adam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted April 4, 2018 #742 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) https://www.10news.com/news/jury-to-deliver-verdict-in-wrongful-death-lawsuit-over-death-of-rebecca-zahau From the link: Jurors were asked two main questions: Did Adam Shacknai touch Rebecca Zahau (before she died) with the intent to harm her? Did that touching cause her death? Jurors determined "yes" in both instances. I don't see where the evidence showed this. Nothing put Adam anywhere but in the guesthouse. Edited April 4, 2018 by susieice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted April 4, 2018 #743 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Exactly. It *seems* to me and my perceptions and testimony they voted emotionally, not based on evidence. Like I have said, I understand the confusion of opinions over did she suicide or not. But, to hold Adam to blame seems baseless. On appeal it has to be overturned. There is nothing there at all to support he is a killer, let alone one with the skill and evidence awareness to leave a clean scene. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted April 4, 2018 #744 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Not A Rockstar said: Exactly. It *seems* to me and my perceptions and testimony they voted emotionally, not based on evidence. Like I have said, I understand the confusion of opinions over did she suicide or not. But, to hold Adam to blame seems baseless. On appeal it has to be overturned. There is nothing there at all to support he is a killer, let alone one with the skill and evidence awareness to leave a clean scene. One thing still bothers me Rockstar. Nina went to the mansion looking for Rebecca. She even went around the house and knew Rebecca's car was there. But no one has ever said she went to the guesthouse to ask Adam if he might know where she was, even though they knew he was there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted April 4, 2018 #745 Share Posted April 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, susieice said: One thing still bothers me Rockstar. Nina went to the mansion looking for Rebecca. She even went around the house and knew Rebecca's car was there. But no one has ever said she went to the guesthouse to ask Adam if he might know where she was, even though they knew he was there. That whole night was odd to me. I am assuming she figured Adam was sleeping in the mansion and just did not want to wake them up? I never did grasp why she went there in the first place. I know she wanted to know what happened, but what was wrong with first thing in the morning then? She had already called and not gotten an answer, iirc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted April 4, 2018 #746 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, Not A Rockstar said: That whole night was odd to me. I am assuming she figured Adam was sleeping in the mansion and just did not want to wake them up? I never did grasp why she went there in the first place. I know she wanted to know what happened, but what was wrong with first thing in the morning then? She had already called and not gotten an answer, iirc. Could this have been a hit? Not necessarily orchestrated by Jonah and Adam. Dina knew Adam would be in the guesthouse. I don't know why Nina would go everywhere but there. Dina asked her to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted April 4, 2018 #747 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I'm actually not too surprised by the verdict. I never put much faith in a jury, I've just learned not to. I certainly wouldn't want my fate in the hands of any jury...unless I was guilty and then I'd want a jury. Seriously, what I find hard to believe is that the case was brought to trial in the first place, and then later, that it wasn't dismissed along with those other charges. It's actually very scary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted April 4, 2018 #748 Share Posted April 4, 2018 *heavy sigh* that is an awful lot of speculation to make a claim like that. It takes less to believe Adam did it, based on what we know now. if it was a hit, I go back to Max's death, which I do not see as a pure accident which happened all by Max's self and nobody else around, and the message on the door. But, this is seriously a reach. I think Rebecca killed herself and staged it well is all, bottom line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted April 4, 2018 #749 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, regi said: I'm actually not too surprised by the verdict. I never put much faith in a jury, I've just learned not to. I certainly wouldn't want my fate in the hands of any jury...unless I was guilty and then I'd want a jury. Seriously, what I find hard to believe is that the case was brought to trial in the first place, and then later, that it wasn't dismissed along with those other charges. It's actually very scary. yes, this IS scary. Very much so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted April 4, 2018 #750 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It was just a crazy question that was going around in my head. For the scene to be that clueless, it had to either be Rebecca herself or someone who was well versed in how to cover up a scene. That family fought like wildcats, even the kids. Dina wasn't taking Max's accident well. She went all crazy on the doctor that night when he told her and Jonah what Max's prognosis was. Oh well. I'll never figure out how the jury came to this conclusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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