soulpowertothenthdegree Posted May 27, 2013 Author #26 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Being able to recognize the truth depends on our ability to see clearly what is, and to react intelligently to that, and not to imagine it is something else out of our own desires. (Modified from one of my other posts) Unfortunately, recognizing the TRUTH about anything has very little to do with intelligence and everything to do with manipulation. Most would not know the TRUTH if it jumped up and bit them on the nose. We are all capable of thought processes and the ability to fantasize and read into any situation that which we want to see, there is still only one TRUTH. We exist, or do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulpowertothenthdegree Posted May 27, 2013 Author #27 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I believe there is a precise truth in everything - not effected nor changed because someone believes differently. To use the law of gravity for example. It doesn't matter if someone believes it works just the opposite (drop something and it falls up)<their truth> or it works according to how each person perceives it will work. Bottom line - if you drop something, it will fall to the ground - it is the 'real' truth of the effect gravity will have on an object. Hope this makes sense. It is getting very late and my thought processes are slowing down. Even what we have been taught about gravity has recently come in to question. There are 20 different religions that all profess to be the real true meaning of life and what we are to gain from it and how we are to behave, yet I do not need a religion to tell me any of it. Therefore, I know the TRUTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 27, 2013 #28 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Even what we have been taught about gravity has recently come in to question. There are 20 different religions that all profess to be the real true meaning of life and what we are to gain from it and how we are to behave, yet I do not need a religion to tell me any of it. Therefore, I know the TRUTH. What is truth within the meaning of life ? Is a profound thought. I see nothing wrong with principles that are of deeper spirtiual insight ,that are studied , taught , from religions that are in and of the best interest of all life. There are teachers from long ago that i am so very thankful for, admire ,and will forever uphold and respect , though labeling their gifts of wisdom and love into religion by which manipulation , control , and division have become well known, I like to think that was not their true intention of what was shared , taught , and given to us by them . In that sense I know the truth in regards to religion as opposed to learning who I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 27, 2013 #29 Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) As a kid I was taught many things in school that were presented as fact, truth, only to realize the events in history are being distorted and told much differently than as they actually happened. I had to take test's based on these supposed facts, truths. I had to make passing grades to go to the next step, all based on lies posed as facts, truths. Just recently, I read an article that changed how they thing about gravity. Every day it seems more information comes out about something when we have been led to believe something else. We have millions of people that think every word in the Bible is based on truth. They "swear" by it. Really? The Bible was written in English? They don't have a clue how to interpret a language that doesn't exist, but they did and do. I just think people should use more common sense to differentiate that there are infinite possibilities and only one "TRUTH". Why have you chosen to attack on Christianty ? As you said , we learn more truths every moment of everyday , right? In fact , a lot of Christians are learning more of just how encoded the letters within those books are. I'm certain other religions too are learning more , but , it was Christianty that you attacked, why is that ? Truth is also , not everyone is a good man or women because of their belief or non belief , you can believe in anything and still your actions are what matters, right? Though , I have personally experienced more kindness from those who are spiritual as opposed to the other that are non spiritual for some reason, why do you think that is? I have to say that I don't swear at all , but I do whole heartedly love and care very much for Yeshua , therfore when you attack Christianty you are indeed attacking on his teachings ,and , well, I just didn't expect that from you for some reason., maybe it was the name you have chosen.??? After thinking about this reply I left , I'm editing to add that I realize, it was not exactly the teaching and principles of Christ that you talked about , so I was wrong for what I said in the above paragraph. I do agree that some translation of the letters have been taken out of it's original context ,in some areas, not every area, but enough have been taken out that it's true meaning was misinterpreted . There have been many times when i have felt anoyed and disappointed at the fact that it is difficult to communicate with some who do believe literly everyword in the letters without a clear understanding of the history that some terms were meant to represent. I think that there are different sects of christians and some are more aware of this than others. I also have become more aware of how so much was from out of Egypt that is in the bible. For the older peole of our time , i think it's really difficult to show them , because they are so indoctrinated and so they believe whole hearted what they believe. I don't disagree that common sense is a factor, but, I do believe that it is because of FAITH that they believe some mistranslations, and maybe that which is encoded they take literly. I think though that because there is a difference in denominations that it's not really as simple as to say they all believe this or that, pretty much though they who are familar with any Holy Bible should have obtained a deeper understanding and knowing that when you are in Christ you behave like it, and it all comes from within . common sense speaks volums in regards to what Christ consciousness really and truly is. (My apologies for my misunderstanding.) Edited May 27, 2013 by Reann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveler27 Posted May 27, 2013 #30 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Truth is ....... I have never been able to fit all meanings in a word, perhaps truth changes as it moves thru time? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted May 27, 2013 #31 Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) Thanks for sharing. I don't mean to ignore, but my desire to communicate on any level, besides responding to posts when I can, is not anything I choose to do. I appreciate you reaching out to me. Ahh. That is the rub right there. What is reality? Well, i think in your "blind men and the elephant" Reality is the Elephant. All of the blind's men's perceptions don't change the elephant. The Truth is.... they are feeling an elephant , not what they 'perceive' it's parts to be. They are not feeling a tree, or a snake, etc. Edited May 27, 2013 by lightly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothinglizx2 Posted May 27, 2013 #32 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Truth is without guile, it is a singular entity, no matter what we believe or say it is, it will always be the truth, those who hear the truth know it because they live by it. Those who chase it are it's friends. In a world full of mistrust it can hardly be seen, though it is everywhere. It is the job of evil to stomp out truth and enslave the world in ignorance and lies and cover the earth in darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted May 27, 2013 #33 Share Posted May 27, 2013 There is the spiritual and philosophical truth, and a bit separate from that somehow, is the truthful telling of history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libstaK Posted May 27, 2013 #34 Share Posted May 27, 2013 What I think of the truth is pretty obvious . And I think I've said this before but I'll say it again anyway. The truth is this I hope that clears things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 28, 2013 #35 Share Posted May 28, 2013 ^ Obviously transparent . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 28, 2013 #36 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Good topic! Truth can be very elusive, especially when the public perception is manipulated so much. Religious truth is really just dogma and faith, nothing more. Superstition rather than any validated truth. Why do you think that way completely about religion? Does religion not also offer spiritual growth, in that it too is able to build one in spirit and self by learning from sources of truths contained in it? I certainly think so. Edited May 28, 2013 by Reann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 28, 2013 #37 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Well, i think in your "blind men and the elephant" Reality is the Elephant. All of the blind's men's perceptions don't change the elephant. The Truth is.... they are feeling an elephant , not what they 'perceive' it's parts to be. They are not feeling a tree, or a snake, etc. Interesting. Also , could the truth of them observing the elephant by touch , be understood sort of like how maybe we shouldn't judge by the outer side but what comes from within? Think of Christ and how he was portrayed as someone who did not even have a place to rest his head , the religious men who were over the synagogue often mocked him and looked upon his as dirty and unclean. Edited May 28, 2013 by Reann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 28, 2013 #38 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Many say that there is no such thing as "truth" and that all is perception. But i think Truth is REALITY.. It IS what it IS. Our perceptions of truth don't alter it? Agreed, though ,the reality of now is the truth you know , feel ,and experience , but is all an illusion being that what we think we know about truth , we really know nothing at all. A mere drop in the bucket if that. Edited May 28, 2013 by Reann 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted May 28, 2013 #39 Share Posted May 28, 2013 i sort of understand the "all is perception" opinion . Let's look at my coffee cup... in Reality and in Truth it exists in ways that i can't perceive. I can't see it on a molecular , atomic, subatomic level... and yet that is the true state of it's existence . I see my coffee cup.. and for me that perception is truth .. ALSO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted May 28, 2013 #40 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Why do you think that way completely about religion? Does religion not also offer spiritual growth, in that it too is able to build one in spirit and self by learning from sources of truths contained in it? I certainly think so. That certainly goes to the heart of the matter in the religion controversy. By all means, yes, religion does indeed offer spiritual growth for those so inclined. But in so many cases, that potential spiritual growth is countered by superstition, bigotry and mean-spiritedness. So, I think it's an individual choice, and I think there are huge differences between the various religions of the world. Overall, does organized religion do more harm than good? I do not know the answer to that question, and have been contemplating it for many years now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted May 29, 2013 #41 Share Posted May 29, 2013 That certainly goes to the heart of the matter in the religion controversy. By all means, yes, religion does indeed offer spiritual growth for those so inclined. But in so many cases, that potential spiritual growth is countered by superstition, bigotry and mean-spiritedness. So, I think it's an individual choice, and I think there are huge differences between the various religions of the world. Overall, does organized religion do more harm than good? I do not know the answer to that question, and have been contemplating it for many years now. I don't think that an organized structured learning system that is based on historical documents contained from letters that have been kept and placed in books is harmful at all, it shouldn't be harmful. And if we consider how many people belong to a church , we see that most of them are harmless . No doubt though that there are some , few, cult minded influences that have caused harm to their members , and that they utilized the bible in the most twisted manner ever. Though , what does that say about the individuals that have gotten involved with that sort of groups mindset? If a person chooses to understand the real purpose of the bible, especially the new testament, and it's meaning , they would have to read it for themselves . I do not see anywhere in there where it leads anyone to do harm , and or get caught up in some cult minded environment. Reason being is that it is Christ centered, and that's just not the purpose and meaning of Christ. I also consider the organized system of currency in the world as it functions today ,and in the historical world that this system functioned in during the time of Yeshua's life .If you get what I'm trying to express to you , you would understand that spiritually. I consider every matter spiritual and when I consider the topic of religion I really don't view him as religious , but , his story is contained in the letters and books of the bible. I think it's obvious that there are individuals ,more so today than decades ago ,that have this bigoted hate towards the bible , yet , at the same time they boast of how spiritual they are , what is the truth in their enlightenment ? . I learned that , it's not how much one knows and understands of the bible , quantum physics, or any other matter that pertains to a higher level of understanding ourselves in this universe ,spiritually that is, but to respect and to leave people alone in their journey because the Divine will reveal to anyone that seeks the Divine. I know that , no matter how much one person may think they know in comparison to another spiritually , it doesn't really matter, because it's not about how much you think you know but how much you love one another and do good good towards one another. In my understanding of ,the little that i know. I just leave people alone , and I don't try to think for God about who's right or wrong but who loves the most here on earth and in that I find God in any faith , in any religion , and in anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticStrummer Posted May 29, 2013 #42 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Ahh. That is the rub right there. What is reality? Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - Phillip K Dick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted May 30, 2013 #43 Share Posted May 30, 2013 People really tend to overcomplicate the definition of "Truth". Truth is nothing more than a summary of your conclusions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayno Posted May 30, 2013 #44 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - Phillip K Dick Good quote! I think it's pretty spot on in describing reality. I don't know whether or not reality is determined by belief, but I do suppose belief has a level of influence.. If what you believe tethers you to the ground and helps convince you to continue you living.. I guess it helps to determine the reality a little bit. I wonder what truth is when I'm sitting in the park smoking a cigarette. I'll sit there and look at the sunset and ponder this metaphysical quandry. It'll always be subjective, I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted May 30, 2013 #45 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) People really tend to overcomplicate the definition of "Truth". Truth is nothing more than a summary of your conclusions. What if your conclusions are wrong? * that sounds more like opinion, than truth? Edited May 30, 2013 by lightly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted May 30, 2013 #46 Share Posted May 30, 2013 What if your conclusions are wrong? * that sounds more like opinion, than truth? Truth is pretty much opinion. It isn't a matter of right or wrong. Truth is not an objective thing. Truth is simply something subjective that you wish to promote as an objective belief. Whether it is right or wrong is a different matter altogether. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted May 30, 2013 #47 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) You Said "Truth is nothing more than a summary of your conclusions" I meant what if your conclusions are Incorrect? What if the summary of your conclusions determines ,incorrectly, that the sun rises in the west? Be back later in the day ...................... talk among yourselves Edited May 30, 2013 by lightly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted May 30, 2013 #48 Share Posted May 30, 2013 People really tend to overcomplicate the definition of "Truth". Truth is nothing more than a summary of your conclusions. That means truth is subjective, and I don't think that quite fits in with the meaning of the word, the notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 30, 2013 #49 Share Posted May 30, 2013 That "truth" is synonymous with "reality" is just one of those things that we need to take for granted. Asserting otherwise kinda turns reality on its head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted May 30, 2013 #50 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I have changed my mind on so many things so many times over the years that it amazes me that I actually imagine that what I now think is true really is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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