skyeagle409 Posted February 20, 2013 #876 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Show me where I claim that the temperatures were hot enough to melt steel?? There are no temperature readings high enough to melt steel. Pay attention, because there were no such readings, therefore, there was no molten steel. Now, why would there be molten steel at ground zero anyway? Edited February 20, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 20, 2013 #877 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Not just my claim, but those of experts who've found the temperature readings far too low to melt steel, but high enough to melt aluminum. What experts?? lolUnless you can provide temperature readings high enough to melt steel or the sources of any such temperature, you have no leg to stand on. I have eyewitnesses who are more than capable of working out that molten metal was steel.I do not need to prove the temperatures were hot enough seeing as I never claimed they were, the eyewitness accounts proves that the temperatures were hot enough, unless the molten steel came from somewhere else?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 20, 2013 #878 Share Posted February 20, 2013 There are no temperature readings high enough to melt steel. Pay attention and because there were no such readings, there was no molten steel. Sorry but multiple independent eyewitness accounts, some from experts, beats your evidence which doesn't support what you claim...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 20, 2013 #879 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) What experts?? The experts I have posted many times before. Seems you haven't been paying attention. I have eyewitnesses who are more than capable of working out that molten metal was steel. Your so-called witnesses have already been debunked and discredited by BYU, architects, and engineers so you have no case. Didn't you even bother to read the reports? Edited February 20, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 20, 2013 #880 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The experts I have posted many times before. Seems you haven't been paying attention. No I have been paying attention, but debunking websitees like Mark Roberts are not experts.Your so-called witnesses have already been debunked and discredited by BYU, architects, and engineers so you have no case. Didn't you even bother to read the reports?Dr Asanteh has been debunked by BYU, architects and engineers??The firefighters who all claimed there was molten steel have been debunked by BYU, architects and engineers?? Or have they been pantomimne debunked by an internet warrior who claims he's got 40 years of experience, but appears about as bright as a lump of coal. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 20, 2013 #881 Share Posted February 20, 2013 No I have been paying attention, but debunking websitees like Mark Roberts are not experts. Didn't even bother to read what presented in regards to Mr. Roberts and Mr. Edwards?! Proof that you have not been paying attention to what has been presented. Dr Asanteh has been debunked by BYU, architects and engineers?? Once again, you are not paying attention. Now, go back and identify the person the BYU has distance itself from. BTW, Dr. Asanteh, confirmed that fire, not explosives, brought down the WTC buildings. The firefighters who all claimed there was molten steel have been debunked by BYU, architects and engineers?? What makes you think that firefighters are experts in molten metal identification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 20, 2013 #882 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Didn't even bother to read what presented in regards to Mr. Roberts and Mr. Edwards?! Proof that you have not been paying attention to what has been presented. You have been presenting panto debunking from the dame Roberts...lolOnce again, you are not paying attention. Now, go back and identify the person the BYU has distance itself from. BTW, Dr. Asanteh, confirmed that fire, not explosives, brought down the WTC buildings.He also claimed there was molten steel who from the BYU debunked his claims?? lolWhat makes you think that firefighters are experts in molten metal identification?They don't need to be experts, they put the fires out and they are all aware of what they saw, along with multiple witnesses who claimed the metal was steel...not aluminium...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 20, 2013 #883 Share Posted February 20, 2013 You have been presenting panto debunking from the dame Roberts...lol He also claimed there was molten steel who from the BYU debunked his claims?? lol Apparently, you missed the video where his claim of molten steel was found to be a mistake, which once again, proves that you have not been paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 20, 2013 #884 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Apparently, you missed the video where his claim of molten steel was found to be a mistake, which once again, proves that you have not been paying attention. Sorry but these guys were not mistaken... Not a single person sitting around off camera objects to his claim of molten steel and nobody shouted out and corrected him by saying it was aluminium either!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 20, 2013 #885 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Sorry but these guys were not mistaken... [media=] [/media]Not a single person sitting around off camera objects to his claim of molten steel and nobody shouted out and corrected him by saying it was aluminium either!! lol They are not experts in molten metal identification anymore than a manager of bank. Their expertise is fighting fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 20, 2013 #886 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) They are not experts in molten metal identification anymore than a manager of bank. Their expertise is fighting fires. No they are firefighters and are quite capable of working out what was on fire, especially molten steel.......lolAnd you are in no better position to claim they are wrong than a manager of a bank, considering that your 40 years would have been more productive pot washing. You were not at GZ, you were sitting behind a keyboard pretending to be smart while exposing yourself...lol Edited February 20, 2013 by Stundie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 21, 2013 #887 Share Posted February 21, 2013 No they are firefighters and are quite capable of working out what was on fire, especially molten steel.......lol No they are not. Remember, some irefighters at ground zero have also said they heard explosions, which were later attributed to the sounds of falling elevators. And you are in no better position to claim they are wrong than a manager of a bank, considering that your 40 years would have been more productive pot washing. The expertise of a firefighter lies in fighting fires, not working with metals, and a bank manager's expertise does not lie in the field of metal identification either. On the other hand, I have worked in the metal forming field long enough in regards to airframes to know much more than they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 21, 2013 #888 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) No they are not. Please explain how a group of firefighters who are all sitting around a table, who all agree they see pools of molten steel, like lava which obviously they will need to cool down, not be able tell it was steel and were confused because it was molten aluminium.But even if we assume these firefighters are all too dumb to recognise or identify the molten metal and confuse it. It still doesn't disprove the fact that we have professors and structural engineers who were there at GZ who said they saw molten beams/girders, which are made of steel last time I checked. Unless you want to argue that beamd and girders are made of aluminium......lol Remember, some irefighters at ground zero have also said they heard explosions, which were later attributed to the sounds of falling elevators.Remember most firefigters at GZ said they heard explosions which were not attributed to the sound of falling elevators and were attributed to something unknown.Like Arturo who clearly experience 3 different explosions which your panto debunking is ineffective against. Remember that some debunkers also claim that they know better than those at GZ and that they mistaken the explosions for Dr Pepper cans exploding from the heat in a vending machine and people jumping for their lives. The expertise of a firefighter lies in fighting fires, not working with metals, and a bank manager's expertise does not lie in the field of metal identification either. On the other hand, I have worked in the metal forming field long enough in regards to airframes to know much more than they do.The expertise of a group of firefighters whose job is cooling down the metal, who may have had other jobs where they worked with metal like you, who may have even have more expertise than your big ego can handle, and are more than capable at identifying sources and things on fires, are more than qualified in identifying steel than you cause you were not there. And you do not need to be an expert regardless of your insistance , that even a 10 year old could cool down some molten metal and identify it.You make it sound like they have to put the metal under extreme scientific conditions and perform complex operations that only a metallurgist can perform, to be able to identify the metal when the reality is, it can be easily identified. So on the other hand, you may have washed plenty of dishes, but I still wouldn't trust your advice on wheher I should buy Dalton or Denby. Edited February 21, 2013 by Stundie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 21, 2013 #889 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Please explain how a group of firefighters who are all sitting around a table, who all agree they see pools of molten steel, like lava which obviously they will need to cool down, not be able tell it was steel and were confused because it was molten aluminium.... It is very simple. The same reason where airmen from other shops had gone through our aluminum scrap barrels looking for stainless steel. Once again, why would there have been molten steel at ground zero in the first place? What would have been its source? The expertise of a group of firefighters whose job is cooling down the metal, who may have had other jobs where they worked with metal like you, who may have even have more expertise than your big ego can handle, and are more than capable at identifying sources and things on fires, are more than qualified in identifying steel than you cause you were not there. And you do not need to be an expert regardless of your insistance , that even a 10 year old could cool down some molten metal and identify it. Were you aware that the solidfied steel you see in the background in the following photo was created by clean-up workers with torches? Edited February 21, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 21, 2013 #890 Share Posted February 21, 2013 It is very simple. The same reason where airmen from other shops had gone through our aluminum scrap barrels looking for stainless steel. I take it that you have never heard of personal incredulity and that it is not a argument or evidence which disproves what the firefighters say.Once again, why would there have been molten steel at ground zero in the first place? I dunno, maybe there was something other than hydrocarbon fires burning within the rubble at GZ.What would have been its source?Something under the rubble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 21, 2013 #891 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) I take it that you have never heard of personal incredulity and that it is not a argument or evidence which disproves what the firefighters say. I dunno, maybe there was something other than hydrocarbon fires burning within the rubble at GZ. Firefighters are not metallurgist. They couldn't differentiate between molten steel from molten aluminum. Something under the rubble. What would have been the source since there is no reading indicating temperatures reached the melting point of steel? Edited February 21, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 21, 2013 #892 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Firefighters are not metallurgist. And I never said they were....lolThey couldn't differentiate between molten steel from molten aluminum.That is your opinion, which you think somehow is a fact, when it is not.You do not need to be a metallugist to recognise molten metal when it is cooled down or to notice a steel beam/girder melting. What would have been the source since there is no reading indicating temperatures reached the melting point of steel?There was no reading indicating the temperatures under the rubble and the source of the molten steel were not hydrocarbon fires. Edited February 21, 2013 by Stundie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 21, 2013 #893 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) And I never said they were....lol You implied they were! There was no reading indicating the temperatures under the rubble and the source of the molten steel were not hydrocarbon fires. Temperature readings of ground zero did not indicate temperatures in the range needed to melt steel. Edited February 21, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 21, 2013 #894 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) You implied they were! No I never...lolWhat I have implied is that the firefighters are more than capable of identifying the molten metal cause they would be the ones cooling it down and part of being a firefighter is understanding the source of fires or in this case, the molten metal which they said was steel. The metallurgist is a pantomime debunk because you use it to discredit those who were at GZ because they were not metallugists because only a metallurgist as the capability of identifying once molten metal according to your logic. Even though we have established that it's quite easy to identify the molten metal once it has cooled down and the fact that girders/beams are not made of aluminium. Edited February 21, 2013 by Stundie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 21, 2013 #895 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) No I never...lo Yes you did!! After all, we can take a look back at your claims regarding what firefighters say they saw. Even though we have established that it's quite easy to identify the molten metal once it has cooled down and the fact that girders/beams are not made of aluminium. No one found molten steel, either at ground zero nor at the Fresh Kills landfill. Edited February 21, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gummug Posted February 21, 2013 #896 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I don't know if this will work, but maybe it will help: http://8real.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=phony&action=display&thread=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted February 21, 2013 #897 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Now Skyeagle You didnt tell me you were a Pot washer expert ? Man You learn something every day in here ! On your Six still ! Hey did you see we founf another Red Tail from Dallas ? He went to Booker-T Washington School ,and later was the First Blk Mail man in Dallas ! Really Kool ! See you Man ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted February 21, 2013 #898 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Now Skyeagle You didnt tell me you were a Pot washer expert ? Man You learn something every day in here ! On your Six still ! Hey did you see we founf another Red Tail from Dallas ? He went to Booker-T Washington School ,and later was the First Blk Mail man in Dallas ! Really Kool ! See you Man ! Yepper!! I am a jack of all a few trades in the world of aviation; from pilot, C-5 transport DCC, aircraft maintenance and overhaul, (airplanes and helicopters) and retired from the Air Force and Air Force civil service, not to mention having worked for a few major defense contractors. Did I also mention that Colonel Warren--my current flying buddy--assisted in the making of "Red Tails?" And, that two names used in that movie, "Maurice" and "Smoky" were one of the same person whose niece was my vice president whom took over my position as president after I left California for my new assignment in Corpus Christi? Edited February 21, 2013 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted February 23, 2013 #899 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Cheer`s Sky ! ITs Great weather to Go Flying ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stundie Posted February 27, 2013 #900 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yes you did!! After all, we can take a look back at your claims regarding what firefighters say they saw.Please take a look at what the firefighter said they saw.And show me the quote where I implied firefighters are metallurgists?? Cause I think evidently, that you are seeing things which don't exist...lol No one found molten steel, either at ground zero nor at the Fresh Kills landfill.Yes they did and no matter how many times you spam the forum saying otherwise, you are wrong because evidence from those who were at GZ like professors to firefightes to clean up workers said they saw molten steel/beams/girders and not aluminium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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