+DieChecker Posted January 21, 2013 #51 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Once they get absorbed into the world population they will probably make fantastic engineers and scientists and computer experts. They did have a significantly bigger brain on average then us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 21, 2013 #52 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think they should but this on the back burner till it's proven that we can do this with other living things. Let's see some mammoths, thylacines and dodos first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 21, 2013 #53 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Silly question. Of course it would have to be a surrogate mother. If they were using an actual Neanderthal mother, there wouldn't be much point to all that cloning, would there? If they're successful we are looking at the future president of the NRA. Neanderthals did not have guns. I thought everyone knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 21, 2013 #54 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think they should but this on the back burner till it's proven that we can do this with other living things. Let's see some mammoths, thylacines and dodos first. I think they should not try it at all, no matter what animal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad hoc Posted January 21, 2013 #55 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Once they get absorbed into the world population they will probably make fantastic engineers and scientists and computer experts. They did have a significantly bigger brain on average then us. maybe, but then so do elephants. On the other side of the coin some Corvids have intelligence comparable with the great apes, depsite having a brain the size of a cherry. It's really more about structure than size... There's a reason we out-competed them, probably hard to do if they were both tougher and more intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 21, 2013 #56 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I think they should not try it at all, no matter what animal. I wouldn't mind seeing some extinct creatures brought back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puppetmaker Posted January 21, 2013 #57 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Will they teach it to use a club or cell phone first? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted January 22, 2013 #58 Share Posted January 22, 2013 probably a stupid thing to do, ..but that's never stopped us before. .. i'd be curious as to how little cloney would relate to us and our world and what 'he' could learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted January 22, 2013 #59 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) maybe, but then so do elephants. On the other side of the coin some Corvids have intelligence comparable with the great apes, depsite having a brain the size of a cherry. It's really more about structure than size... There's a reason we out-competed them, probably hard to do if they were both tougher and more intelligent. It actually had to do with low fertility, if I remember right. There never was more then 50,000 neanderthals alive at any one time, and they inhabited Europe and the Near East of Asia. Their populations never did take off, probably they needed a lot of room for their form of hunter gatherer lifestyle. Modern humans simply had kids faster and a lot more of them. within a thousand years there would have been ten or twenty modern humans for every neanderthal. They simply got ground underfoot by shear numbers. There is also speculation that modern humans learned many forms of thinking from the neanderthals. Specifically religion and art. Edited January 22, 2013 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad hoc Posted January 22, 2013 #60 Share Posted January 22, 2013 It actually had to do with low fertility, if I remember right. There never was more then 50,000 neanderthals alive at any one time, and they inhabited Europe and the Near East of Asia. Their populations never did take off, probably they needed a lot of room for their form of hunter gatherer lifestyle. Modern humans simply had kids faster and a lot more of them. within a thousand years there would have been ten or twenty modern humans for every neanderthal. They simply got ground underfoot by shear numbers. There is also speculation that modern humans learned many forms of thinking from the neanderthals. Specifically religion and art. I've heard a few hypotheses for why they died out, usually it's thought of as a combination of things. But I haven't heard low fertility put at the centre of things. Sounds feasible as a contributing factor though... I'm wondering if with second bit you're talking about the relatively recent finding of some shells painted red with a mineral deposit from human settlements at the time, worn as jewellery, which seemed to also be a neanderthal tradition from the area that predated the human arrival. So the humans seem to have picked up the tradition of the painted shells from the 'thals. If that's what it is, it's interesting and shows some exchange, but it's a long way from 'learning many forms of thinking'. And for that matter humans had already developed religion, art, music, and a bunch of other cultural stuff in Africa long before migrations ever reached the Neanderthals. Another thing to consider is that Neanderthals appear to have remained hunter gatherers for their entire 350,000 year + span without exception, whereas homo sapiens began making the transition to civilization from about 190,000 years in. So, I'm not saying they definitely weren't smarter than us, but it doesn't seem like there's much reason to come to that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 22, 2013 #61 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I wouldn't mind seeing some extinct creatures brought back. Species that were made extinct by man; I think that might be a cgood idea, rectifying some of the damage that humanity has caused; but I'm not sure about bringing back soem species that died out as a result of naturals selection. That really does sound like tampering with nature, as if we've decided that Nature got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted January 22, 2013 #62 Share Posted January 22, 2013 IF they do this and succeed,it would be totally unfair on the creature as it would be used for experimental purposes,but if and when it grows up it might hopefully rip their arms off.Governments should step in and BAN these experiments.What point are they trying to prove ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 22, 2013 #63 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Species that were made extinct by man; I think that might be a cgood idea, rectifying some of the damage that humanity has caused; but I'm not sure about bringing back soem species that died out as a result of naturals selection. That really does sound like tampering with nature, as if we've decided that Nature got it wrong. I think nature could get it "wrong" sometimes. Even so, there are plenty that could be attributed to humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted January 22, 2013 #64 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Hasn't this already been attempted? Edited January 22, 2013 by ExpandMyMind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiffSplitkins Posted January 22, 2013 #65 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Entire Project Sponsored by: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 22, 2013 #66 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Hasn't this already been attempted? Naughty but funny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 22, 2013 #67 Share Posted January 22, 2013 IF they do this and succeed,it would be totally unfair on the creature as it would be used for experimental purposes,but if and when it grows up it might hopefully rip their arms off.Governments should step in and BAN these experiments.What point are they trying to prove ?. Well, if it could rip the arms off someone, Governments might be interested in it. Imagine creating an army of Neathenderthals ... that'd scare the willies off Al Qaeada, surely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taun Posted January 22, 2013 #68 Share Posted January 22, 2013 This has "bad Idea" written all over it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockabyeBillie Posted January 22, 2013 #69 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Er, no ....... we wouldn't! I don't know... I've wanted a compsognathus for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted January 22, 2013 #70 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I don't know... I've wanted a compsognathus for years. *googles* okay, yeah, that's cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xYlvax Posted January 22, 2013 #71 Share Posted January 22, 2013 They're gone for a reason..I have a feeling this won't end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted January 22, 2013 #72 Share Posted January 22, 2013 *googles* okay, yeah, that's cool Holy crud! Is that compsognathus skateboarding past that cat?! Could you teach one to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted January 22, 2013 #73 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Holy crud! Is that compsognathus skateboarding past that cat?! Could you teach one to? I don't see why not, they're the perfect shape for skateboarding, aren't they? Low centre of gravity, long tail for balance etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozman Posted January 23, 2013 #74 Share Posted January 23, 2013 It's all a lie by the press, they misunderstood what he said in an interview. Read this article that shows he is not pursuing this project at all. http://www.8newsnow.com/story/20651650/scientist-im-not-seeking-a-mom-for-a-neanderthal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad hoc Posted January 23, 2013 #75 Share Posted January 23, 2013 It's all a lie by the press, they misunderstood what he said in an interview. Read this article that shows he is not pursuing this project at all. http://www.8newsnow....r-a-neanderthal I thought he might have been taken out of context. It would just be way too hot from too many angles for politicians to go with it, and any scientist who wants to avoid a massive bashing wouldn't be making noises about that kinda project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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