Yamato Posted January 31, 2013 #176 Share Posted January 31, 2013 But fully public health systems consistently cost half the price of fully insured systems - and produce better outcomes. This is definitely one of those cases where utility trumps ideology. Br Cornelius Consistently and definitely baseless claims unless you can convince me with the evidence. Please don't start talking about prices consumers of health care pay in response to this. I'm referring to the costs that consumers don't see. The fungible costs paid for on the back-end in taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2013 #177 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Consistently and definitely baseless claims unless you can convince me with the evidence. Please don't start talking about prices consumers of health care pay in response to this. I'm referring to the costs that consumers don't see. The fungible costs paid for on the back-end in taxes. I have discussed this extensively in threads on the European board. Go find them or take my word for it. This covers total per capita costs to the population. Consistently half the cost for better outcomes. Even the US government has investigated this and found it to be true. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted January 31, 2013 #178 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yes. Certain officers even death camp ones were allowed into America after WW2. We still find one here and there. The ones put on trial were the fall guys. I would think they'd all be dead by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2013 #179 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I would think they'd all be dead by now. Jesus died 2000years ago - but it hasn't stopped there been christians. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted January 31, 2013 #180 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Jesus died 2000years ago - but it hasn't stopped there been christians. Br Cornelius And given the existence of the American Nazi Party, the German NPD, the Spanish ultranationalists and the Italian neo fascists we must conclude that brain amputated do not die out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onereaderone Posted February 1, 2013 #181 Share Posted February 1, 2013 some one has to manage the play ground , or children can not play . what is missed is that money has no value except that given it by the need of taxes . taxes is all you have been talking about for the last 12 pages . economy is tax's sent to the goverment . not one word about the song a kid writes and can not get play'd on the radio because the goverment is not there to force it to be play'd . you assume markets , you do not say what right the goverment has in stealing the wealth of those who create . its all about the money the goverment gets... your all about goverment . play grounds that are managed by adults ... and your the adult . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onereaderone Posted February 1, 2013 #182 Share Posted February 1, 2013 define the words you use ... a capital is a platform on top of a pillar , to support a roof ... it is also where you put a statue . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted February 2, 2013 #183 Share Posted February 2, 2013 some one has to manage the play ground , or children can not play . what is missed is that money has no value except that given it by the need of taxes . taxes is all you have been talking about for the last 12 pages . economy is tax's sent to the goverment . not one word about the song a kid writes and can not get play'd on the radio because the goverment is not there to force it to be play'd . you assume markets , you do not say what right the goverment has in stealing the wealth of those who create . its all about the money the goverment gets... your all about goverment . play grounds that are managed by adults ... and your the adult . you'll figure it out bud 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einsteinium Posted February 8, 2013 #184 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) So we have had a hearty debate here about capitalism, fascism, socialism, etc. So.... Anyone have any ideas as to what WE SHOULD DO about the direction our (USA) system of government and corporatism is headed? Edited February 8, 2013 by Einsteinium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2013 #185 Share Posted February 8, 2013 So we have had a hearty debate here about capitalism, fascism, socialism, etc. So.... Anyone have any ideas as to what WE SHOULD DO about the direction our (USA) system of government and corporatism is headed? Duck and cover. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted February 9, 2013 #186 Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Break it and rebuild it from the ground up based on the original Constitution. The Laws Government Financial sytem everything...Itll hurt for a few years but theres alotta good stuff been done over the years that would be the foundation of a new America. Jobs can come from public works projects to reinforce our aging infrastructure and IT. Other then that theres nothing but mininmum wage jobs at the moment. Huge gains would cost huge sacrifices. We have the people with the know how it needs to be done but they are constantly shut down by our overseers. Oh and stop being the world policeman until we get our own house in order. What would it cost us. Alot of angry politicians and unemployed government workers (so sorry so sad). And likely the loss of the American dollar as the Worlds currency. Or we can continue down this road: http://rt.com/usa/news/judge-napolitano-drone-government-430/ Edited February 9, 2013 by AsteroidX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 9, 2013 #187 Share Posted February 9, 2013 It might be too late to be honest. Companies like Exxon, Cargill, etc. have bigger economies and more power than most countries. If we start over, I am sure they will step in and "ease the peoples pain". On their terms of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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