the dalek killer Posted January 28, 2013 #1 Share Posted January 28, 2013 my theory is that the creature is a mosasaur or a zeuglodon my evidence is in the famous mansi photograph if you look at the area between the hump and the neck/flipper are connected underwater which means its body curves down before going up and if you look closely at what many people have called the neck you'll that its quite flat these are just my thoughts please comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinoff Posted January 28, 2013 #2 Share Posted January 28, 2013 That's been a pretty popular theory for a while now regarding a lot of aquatic monsters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the dalek killer Posted January 28, 2013 Author #3 Share Posted January 28, 2013 im leaning on basilosaurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 28, 2013 #4 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't know much about dinos, heh. Have fossils of these critters been found in the area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipotep Posted January 28, 2013 #5 Share Posted January 28, 2013 my theory is that the creature is a mosasaur or a zeuglodon my evidence is in the famous mansi photograph if you look at the area between the hump and the neck/flipper are connected underwater which means its body curves down before going up and if you look closely at what many people have called the neck you'll that its quite flat these are just my thoughts please comment My theory is that the picture is a piece of drift wood , nothing more ..... TiP. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insanity Posted January 28, 2013 #6 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I could see how this might be a flipper bending over. However, it is a flipper, what sets it out and not belong to a cetacean of sorts? Many of them will swim about with their flippers out of the water, and a few at least will bend or curve in a similar manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the dalek killer Posted January 28, 2013 Author #7 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) seems a bit to smooth to be drift wood Edited January 29, 2013 by the dalek killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robvilla Posted January 29, 2013 #8 Share Posted January 29, 2013 What would one of these ancient whales eat in Lake Champlain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the dalek killer Posted January 29, 2013 Author #9 Share Posted January 29, 2013 fish can be very large in that lake and it has been known to gobble down a horse passing across the lake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted January 29, 2013 #10 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Everything suggested so far is an air-breather which makes them unlikely candidates. I mean, in addition to being extinct of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 29, 2013 #11 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Mosasaur and basilosaurus fossils have not been noted to have been found in the region. And record breaking big fish from Lake Champlain can get up into the 40 pound range, which might be a tasty snack for a huge fish, but also probably indicates a lack of large predator in the water. The sizes, variety, and amounts of fish also kind of indicate that a large herbivore probably isn't lurking around either. And hehe.. the pic.. American Eel up to 6 pounds has been caught in the lake.. Could it be that the photographer caught an eel on camera, but in perspective it looks like a possible much larger critter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the dalek killer Posted January 29, 2013 Author #12 Share Posted January 29, 2013 (edited) they found fossils in Alabama and in Egypt meaning it had a wide range so it could of easily lived in that area and it is seen quite often Edited January 29, 2013 by the dalek killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted January 29, 2013 #13 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I'm convinced that it was nothing but the misidentification of some common animal or, as stated above, a piece of wood. Good analysis here. http://www.csicop.org/si/show/measure_of_a_monster_investigating_the_champ_photo If a breeding population of lake monsters lived in Lake Champlain, they'd be fairly well known and sighted often given that there are millions of people in and around the lake on an annual basis. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted January 29, 2013 #14 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Having given this some more thought, I'm curious to the OPs thoughts on how air breathing creatures survive in the lake on the years that it freezes completely. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenobibax Posted January 29, 2013 #15 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Looks like a whale breaching to me, with the left or right flipper held high and slightly bent giving the appearance of a head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the dalek killer Posted January 30, 2013 Author #16 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Looks like a whale breaching to me, with the left or right flipper held high and slightly bent giving the appearance of a head. my thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipotep Posted January 30, 2013 #17 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Having given this some more thought, I'm curious to the OPs thoughts on how air breathing creatures survive in the lake on the years that it freezes completely. Good point , OP ? TiP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted January 30, 2013 #18 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Always thought this one to be Driftwood,if you look where the supposed neck goes into the water,you can see more mass to the object going to the left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 30, 2013 #19 Share Posted January 30, 2013 they found fossils in Alabama and in Egypt meaning it had a wide range so it could of easily lived in that area and it is seen quite often Alabama and Egypt, not Lake Champlain. Just because fossil evidence has been found elsewhere does not mean it has been seen in Lake Champlain. I could say fossil evidence of catfish in the Mississippi and China means that there are catfish in Brazil, but that would not necessarily be accurate unless there was also catfish fossils in Brazil. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted January 30, 2013 #20 Share Posted January 30, 2013 seems a bit to smooth to be drift wood Drift wood can be extremely smooth, especially when considering an unfocused photo from a distance. Much more likely than an ancient creature. As for horses being gobbled up - where did you get that idea? And is it not more likely the horse got into trouble and drowned? Or is there video/photo of the moment one met its fate in the jaws of a dino? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKO Posted January 30, 2013 #21 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Excellent point Rafterman. I'm going to do the usual rundown of these things. An animal like this would need a large breeding population, especially if they have survived millions of years. Someone would see these fairly often popping up for air. (when it's not frozen) There is no way to tell how big it is in the photo. Standard blurry photo, could be anything really, but to jump to a plesiosaur is unbelievable in my opinion. It does have a similar appearance to a long necked animal but also looks like driftwood or anything we put our minds to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMS Dreadnought Posted January 30, 2013 #22 Share Posted January 30, 2013 None of these supposed sea creatures exist, there is no solid evidence at all & none stand up to scientific theory, it's a nice thought that they may be out there having survived all this time but in reality they are all myths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urisk Posted January 30, 2013 #23 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Male blue whales have a 12 foot long prehensile penis. I'm not sure how impressively-endowed smaller species of whale are, but it could be possible that it is nothing more than two whales mating? Or one incredibly hopeful, and one not so enthusiastic p'raps? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 30, 2013 #24 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Wales might be out too... Keep in mind that Lake Champlain is a landlocked freshwater lake and though it is a big lake, it isn't huge like the Great Lakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urisk Posted January 31, 2013 #25 Share Posted January 31, 2013 But we don't have anything other than popular acceptance that it actually IS lake Champlain. If it is said lake then yes whales will be out of the question. But I tend to be just as sceptical about the locations of photos just as much as what is featured in them nowadays. That's the thing about photos. People say it's from "such-a-place" and we always just say "OK". How can you tell without any defining landmarks? I recall the original picture did have some land in the background, but it could easily have been taken in a lagoon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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