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Israel airstrikes in Syria (confirmed)

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RoofGardener

Syria unilaterally declared war on Israel in 1973 and launched an unprovoked suprise attack with massed Russian-supplied tanks.

They lost. But in a fit of petulance, they never rescinded the state of war.

They have just learned... AGAIN.. the consequences of that choice. Except... they never seem to ACTUALLY learn. It's like dealing with children.

Tell me folks, what do YOU think was in that "Scientific Research establishment" (that just happened to be on a military base).

In the Yom Kippur war, Israel came within 40Km of Damascus. They could reproduce that advance any time they wanted to.

If Israel was expansionist, it would have done so. They aren't, and they havn't.

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Frank Merton

I agree that Israel isn't expansionist, although there are some Israelis who are (up to some mythical concept of the Holy Land). I think the main reason Israel isn't expansionist is it would have nothing to gain by having a Middle East empire -- what are they going to do with it?

Empires are generally a bad idea. They drain resources keeping them under control. The Romans did fine so long as they could exploit them for art work and other treasures and for slaves, but this is self-limiting, and so afterward they had to hold it by assimilating conquered people and ended up being assimilated and nevertheless collapsing under their own weight anyway.

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I agree Frank Merton.

I seem to vaugly recall there was some Roman general, or senator or something, who bemoaned that they where forever suffering cross-border raids by 'barbarians'. So the legions would march into that territory and conquer it to stop the raids. But THEN...raids came across the borders of this new territory from their 'new' neighbours. So they conquered THAT territory... and so on and so forth.

If Israel works to de-stabalise Syria, then they will have ISIS staring at them across the Golan Heights. I think that Israel would STRONGLY prefer having a fascist like Assad in charge, rather than psychotic lunatics like ISIS. At least Assad was rational and predictable, after a fashion.

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If Israel works to de-stabalise Syria, then they will have ISIS staring at them across the Golan Heights. I think that Israel would STRONGLY prefer having a fascist like Assad in charge, rather than psychotic lunatics like ISIS. At least Assad was rational and predictable, after a fashion.

I agree - It must be like walking on a political tightrope for Israel at the moment - basically they are first and foremost interested in surviving as the State of Israel - so they don't want to alienate America - but...if America is (more or less) supporting ISIS (via allied terrorist groups) as a proxy army against the Assad Regime...??

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I agree - It must be like walking on a political tightrope for Israel at the moment - basically they are first and foremost interested in surviving as the State of Israel - so they don't want to alienate America - but...if America is (more or less) supporting ISIS (via allied terrorist groups) as a proxy army against the Assad Regime...??

I think Israel is looking into closer relationship with Putin's Russia and I think it's probably all they CAN do at this point.
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If Israel works to de-stabalise Syria, then they will have ISIS staring at them across the Golan Heights. I think that Israel would STRONGLY prefer having a fascist like Assad in charge, rather than psychotic lunatics like ISIS. At least Assad was rational and predictable, after a fashion.

I don't think that ISIS will do anything to Israel, the US, SA, Quatar, Israel are behind ISIS, so it would be unrational for ISIS to do such a thing, if ever, they come into power.

And you're right, I think that it's preferable for Israel to have Assad as Premier or President of Syria, at least, they (Israel leaders) know how to deal with him.

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I don't think that ISIS will do anything to Israel, the US, SA, Quatar, Israel are behind ISIS, so it would be unrational for ISIS to do such a thing, if ever, they come into power.

And you're right, I think that it's preferable for Israel to have Assad as Premier or President of Syria, at least, they (Israel leaders) know how to deal with him.

Care to cite the actual evidence that Israel is funding ISIS?

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RoofGardener

I don't think that ISIS will do anything to Israel, the US, SA, Quatar, Israel are behind ISIS, so it would be unrational for ISIS to do such a thing, if ever, they come into power.

Israel is behind ISIS ? Can you produce ANY evidence to support that seemingly RIDICULOUS statement ?

ISIS - formaly known as ISIL - the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (e.g. Israel) - is sworn to destroy....

forget it.. whats the point.

Israel is NOT behind ISIS. Hyades - justify your statement, or face ridicule.

And you're right, I think that it's preferable for Israel to have Assad as Premier or President of Syria, at least, they (Israel leaders) know how to deal with him.

In the sense that Assad is essentially civilised (brutal, dictatorial mass murderer.. but civilised), then yes, I'd agree with that statement.

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Hyades

Care to cite the actual evidence that Israel is funding ISIS?

Here's a few references, I didn't search all the possible Web Sites on the subject, just a few, have a look. I don't referenced these to make a Nation look bad like no other, the references means to have you ponder of what money power can do over people, anything goes, will it ever end?, not until, courage leaders stand up to work on a better society model, dreaming maybe!

http://www.globalres...-arabia/5396171

http://www.globalres...ts-down/5491582

http://www.globalres...-reveal/5391593

http://www.globalres...tractor/5457911

http://www.globalresearch.ca/intelligence-operation-in-support-of-terrorism-the-u-s-and-israel-are-behind-both-boko-haram-and-isis-president-of-sudan/5436385

http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-empowers-islamic-state-isis-terrorists-in-syria/5421424

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151125/1030760282/golan-heights-israeli-military-isil-oil.html

http://www.rense.com/general96/disentang.html

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Mr.United_Nations

Syria unilaterally declared war on Israel in 1973 and launched an unprovoked suprise attack with massed Russian-supplied tanks.

They lost. But in a fit of petulance, they never rescinded the state of war.

They have just learned... AGAIN.. the consequences of that choice. Except... they never seem to ACTUALLY learn. It's like dealing with children.

Tell me folks, what do YOU think was in that "Scientific Research establishment" (that just happened to be on a military base).

In the Yom Kippur war, Israel came within 40Km of Damascus. They could reproduce that advance any time they wanted to.

If Israel was expansionist, it would have done so. They aren't, and they havn't.

yet you know why Israel stopped?

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Mr.United_Nations

Here's a few references, I didn't search all the possible Web Sites on the subject, just a few, have a look. I don't referenced these to make a Nation look bad like no other, the references means to have you ponder of what money power can do over people, anything goes, will it ever end?, not until, courage leaders stand up to work on a better society model, dreaming maybe!

http://www.globalres...-arabia/5396171

http://www.globalres...ts-down/5491582

http://www.globalres...-reveal/5391593

http://www.globalres...tractor/5457911

http://www.globalres...f-sudan/5436385

http://www.globalres...n-syria/5421424

http://sputniknews.c...y-isil-oil.html

http://www.rense.com.../disentang.html

Russian propaganda and anti west websites?

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Hyades

Russian propaganda and anti west websites?

Then, may you classify CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, all other American, British, European News Media are West propaganda, and anti-east, may you tell?, may you tell which one should we rely on, the one/s who is/are impartial?

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Then, may you classify CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, all other American, British, European News Media are West propaganda, and anti-east, may you tell?, may you tell which one should we rely on, the one/s who is/are impartial?

Thank you for the effort of the research. My problem with Global Research primarily is that it is completely anti American. I cannot remember ever seeing a single pro US or pro Israel piece there. If that is the case, then how reliable can it be? NO nation is completely evil. ISIS serves many purposes but it best matches with the goals of the Gulf States and S.A. The majority in the US Congress are screaming for more to be done against ISIS. How does that fit into your theme of the US supporting ISIS? What I hear from you is that there is some secret, moneyed cabal that is made up of Jewish Israelis and US pols that consciously formed, trained and support ISIS in all their deeds. It just doesn't pass the rationality test, IMO. I just see Israel being blamed - yet again - for all the woes in the region.

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RoofGardener

Global Research is not a news site. It has no accredited journalists, and its articles are mostly polemic, not research or journalism, with a strong leaning towards conspiracy theories.

It is essentially one mans plaything, the man in question being Michel Chossudovsky, who uses it as a platform to present this theories on globalisation, which he is strongly against. In turn, this drags in the USA, NATO and - ultimately - The Joooozzz ('cos in his book, Israel controls EVERYTHING, including death-rays that effect global warming. For example, they forced the USAF to use HAARP to trigger the Indonesian Tsunami in 2004).

It is very popular among the conspiracy theorists and anti-West polemicists, but has zero credibility as an impartial, fact-based news outlet.

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RoofGardener

yet you know why Israel stopped?

Yes.

The IDF 1st "Golani" Brigade was spearheading the attack, along with special forces groups. However, battlefield commanders where concerned that the rapid pace of advance risked the Brigade moving beyond the range of the Tel-Aviv based Israeli Broadcasting Authority TV transmitters. Shin Bet and Military Security recognised the possibility of mass defections - or even insurrection - within the Brigade if the troops where unable to watch M*A*S*H, the next episode of which was due on October 23rd.

Accordingly, the advance was halted on the 22nd, pending emergency relay transmitters being set up on the Golan Heights.

Oh... and there was also something about a ceasefire being imposed by the United Nations or something ? But I think that was just a co-incidence ?

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Hyades

Thank you for the effort of the research. My problem with Global Research primarily is that it is completely anti American. I cannot remember ever seeing a single pro US or pro Israel piece there. If that is the case, then how reliable can it be? NO nation is completely evil. ISIS serves many purposes but it best matches with the goals of the Gulf States and S.A. The majority in the US Congress are screaming for more to be done against ISIS. How does that fit into your theme of the US supporting ISIS? What I hear from you is that there is some secret, moneyed cabal that is made up of Jewish Israelis and US pols that consciously formed, trained and support ISIS in all their deeds. It just doesn't pass the rationality test, IMO. I just see Israel being blamed - yet again - for all the woes in the region.

It doesn't seem to be a secret, moneyed cabal, it's on many Web Sites of the Net. I referenced à few other Alternative News Media, like Rense, Sputnik, even one reference of a group of Americains Specialists called ISIS who take contracts on security whatever the place in the World, so, it ain't restricted to Global Research. Rationality test, you had me laughing!

https://public.isishq.com/public/clients/default.aspx

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Hyades

Global Research is not a news site. It has no accredited journalists, and its articles are mostly polemic, not research or journalism, with a strong leaning towards conspiracy theories.

It is essentially one mans plaything, the man in question being Michel Chossudovsky, who uses it as a platform to present this theories on globalisation, which he is strongly against. In turn, this drags in the USA, NATO and - ultimately - The Joooozzz ('cos in his book, Israel controls EVERYTHING, including death-rays that effect global warming. For example, they forced the USAF to use HAARP to trigger the Indonesian Tsunami in 2004).

It is very popular among the conspiracy theorists and anti-West polemicists, but has zero credibility as an impartial, fact-based news outlet.

As I had write to And Then, I referenced other sites, it not only Global Research!

And may you tell what type, kind of News Media would you classify as good credibility, being impartial, fact-based?, may you name a few?

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