The story of your enslavement

[Jeremiah65]

Just for thoughtful conversation....

I have added this video over the ages to several threads but I decided it was time for it to stand alone and be counted.

I cannot see how anyone would argue with the premises as they are laid out...you are livestock, you are being farmed...whether you are aware of it or not is totally irrelevant...it is happening and it will continue to happen until you free yourself from the farm and find a new way to live....so before we get into that...let's see the video....

I admit, it takes a few minutes to watch the video...13.10 to be exact...but considering the content...if you do not watch it....maybe you don't care or don't belong in the conversation....

Does that (the content) not seem painfully familiar to you? Do you not"'get it" as far as what is happening? I hope you do and I look forward to conversations concerning this state of affairs...

I would hope some will thoughtfully reflect on the ideas laid out here...this is not black and white...this is a thousand subtle shades of gray.....so please...look at it...see it...reflect on it...and then tell me your honest thoughts....I cannot find huge fault in the ideas....what it is described can be seen all around us every day....if you choose to "see" and not just look....most prefer to "look" and not see....

[Coffey]

Brillaint topic, people need to start realising this.

" He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"

Benjamin Franklin actually said thta for a reason, not just to secure a good qoute in the world. lol

For those who don't understand a lot of it, I find this video works well for people who get bored easily wathcing these things: ( alot of the time people don't understand things, not becuase they are stupid but because they jsut can't watch or take in things they find boring)

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It's funny, entertaining and who doens't love cartoons?!

Edited February 8, 2013 by Coffey

[questionmark]

To me it sounds like the good old "as soon as we owe him enough money we will run the Jew out of town".

Nobody twisted anybodies arm to get into debt. And it is known since the antiquity that if you have debt you are slave of the repayment. Not using his brain does not protect anybody from the consequences of his actions. Unless the Jew gets run out of town, of course.

[Yamato]

People will always borrow as much money as they're encouraged to, and keeping interest rates at zero for years on end is the greatest encouragement available. If banks borrow at zero, they're encouraged to take far more risk than they otherwise would. The snowball effect lands on Joe Homeowner whose credit and family suffer the consequences.

[aztek]

I think it is b.s.

they never explained to us, sheeps, what is the real freedom, and what to do to be fully free.

we live in society, everyone can't do what they want, we will have chaos. there has to be rules, and rulers,

just look at countries where gvmnt failed or was removed, no gvmnt makes them free, in theory. they don't work for no one, nobody getting rich of them, but look at their country's, like Egypt, Syria, Somalia....... it is chaos, no laws, infrastructure failed, crime rates higher than mount Everest. is that the freedom they are talking about???? if not, i'd like to see examples of what they consider freedom.

we are slaves, to our own, ignorance, and arrogance.

anyone who really want it, can become one of them, the Sheppard's\farmers. either by becoming a politician, or by making a lot of money and have those politicians in your pocket.

there is no mark on any of us when we are born, that makes us farmers or sheep's, it is our own choice. and we are free to make it.

Edited February 8, 2013 by aztek

[questionmark]

I think it is b.s.

they never explained to us, sheeps, what is the real freedom, and what to do to be fully free.

we live in society, everyone can't do what they want, we will have chaos. there has to be rules, and rulers,

just look at countries where gvmnt failed or was removed, no gvmnt makes them free, in theory. they don't work for no one, nobody getting rich of them, but look at their country's, like Egypt, Syria, Somalia....... it is chaos, no laws, infrastructure failed, crime rates higher than mount Everest. is that the freedom they are talking about???? if not, i'd like to see examples of what they consider freedom.

we are slaves, to our own, ignorance, and arrogance.

anyone who really want it, can become one of them, the Sheppard's\farmers. either by becoming a politician, or by making a lot of money and have those politicians in your pocket.

there is no mark on any of us when we are born, that makes us farmers or sheep's, it is our own choice. and we are free to make it.

have not seen you making that much sense since 2006.

[Coffey]

I think it is b.s.

they never explained to us, sheeps, what is the real freedom, and what to do to be fully free.

we live in society, everyone can't do what they want, we will have chaos. there has to be rules, and rulers,

just look at countries where gvmnt failed or was removed, no gvmnt makes them free, in theory. they don't work for no one, nobody getting rich of them, but look at their country's, like Egypt, Syria, Somalia....... it is chaos, no laws, infrastructure failed, crime rates higher than mount Everest. is that the freedom they are talking about???? if not, i'd like to see examples of what they consider freedom.

we are slaves, to our own, ignorance, and arrogance.

anyone who really want it, can become one of them, the Sheppard's\farmers. either by becoming a politician, or by making a lot of money and have those politicians in your pocket.

there is no mark on any of us when we are born, that makes us farmers or sheep's, it is our own choice. and we are free to make it.

You can't jsut become a politician or rich. lol

It's very ahrd to become rich without financial backing. If your parents are not rich then your chances of becoming rich are far less.

It's still possible with a lot of hard work, but the odds are not in your favour.

As for becoming a politician, you need financial backing to get anywhere near an election... And that is where the corruption starts.

[aztek]

there is a will , there is a way.

I've seen ppl come to usa without a red cent in their pockets, now they own multimillion dollar business, no one said it is easy, but it is possible,

look at Microsoft, Facebook,, apple, ....it didn't take rocket scientist' with huge financial backing, or rich parents. to start.

as for becoming a politician, become a lawer, open practice, get enough funds\connections, and run for senate\congress\assembly, than move up.... almost anyone has potential, but very few have enough will, to accomplish it, I know I don't have that, but it is my choice\opinion. not some class limitation I was born with.

[Coffey]

there is a will , there is a way.

I've seen ppl come to usa without a red cent in their pockets, now they own multimillion dollar business, no one said it is easy, but it is possible,

look at Microsoft, Facebook,, apple, ....it didn't take rocket scientist' with huge financial backing, or rich parents. to start.

as for becoming a politician, become a lawer, open practice, get enough funds\connections, and run for senate\congress\assembly, than move up.... almost anyone has potential, but very few have enough will, to accomplish it, I know I don't have that, but it is my choice\opinion. not some class limitation I was born with.

Every politician in the UK and US that I can think of was born rich r got into parliment through corrupt financial support.

Bill gates came from a rich family, So did Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg also had huge financial backing for making facebook.

Steve Jobs is a true example of making it yourself though. That is one of the people who fought the odds.

[aztek]

I know of 2 new York politicians, that came to us from Russia, and didn't have any connections, or money. one was raised by single mother.

both became politicians. one thru law carrier other thru business.

google them alec brook krasniy, and david strobin.

I,m pretty sure there are more

the only reason that stops you from being what you want is you yourself. you are not maked at birth, to be someone or not to be someone.

btw great example Arnold Schwarzenegger, he made himself.

Edited February 10, 2013 by aztek

[Coffey]

I know of 2 new York politicians, that came to us from Russia, and didn't have any connections, or money. one was raised by single mother.

both became politicians. one thru law carrier other thru business.

google them alec brook krasniy, and david strobin.

I,m pretty sure there are more

the only reason that stops you from being what you want is you yourself. you are not maked at birth, to be someone or not to be someone.

btw great example Arnold Schwarzenegger, he made himself.

The mere fact I have to google those people proves my point. I'm talking about people who become presidents or Prime ministers. Not people who don't gain that position of power.

And no i could not go to Uni because my parents couldn't afford it and the goverment pulled funding for it. I know I will make it in what my life goal is, but I know if my life goal was to be prime minister it would never happen. The Prime ministers of the UK are always from wealthy families.

[AsteroidX]

Dont care we are slaves or near slaves unless your part of the socialist empire aka banking schism.

[Jeremiah65]

Well...I was most interested in the point made about the collection of taxes changing to 'the mafia model"...

We are being farmed...in a tax farm. maybe some didn't watch the whole thing...sorry to ask for 13 minutes and 10 seconds of attention span...

Other key points...

Putting some livestock on the payroll of the farmer who will defend their "farmer"...by turning on the other livestock...

Creating fear and invisible threats so the livestock will cling to the farmer...

I respect that you can become a lawyer or a politician or a Governor (aka Arnie)...however, that has absolutely nothing to do with the point of the video. Personal debt has nothing to do with the point....

Oh well, I saw a lot of interesting things in it and I will continue to post it where I think the overtones are applicable. If you do not wish to see the cages...if you do not want to see the farm...then don't.

But....

If you work and earn a wage...you are being farmed. You are human livestock and you are enslaved...perhaps it exactly what the very first part of the video says...it is just too painful for many to see it for what it truly is...

Edited February 10, 2013 by Jeremiah65

[aztek]

I respect that you can become a lawyer or a politician or a Governor (aka Arnie)...however, that has absolutely nothing to do with the point of the video. Personal debt has nothing to do with the point....

but personal debt is your personal decision, if fail to pay up what you borrowed, it isn't banks fault, they don't force you to take loans.

[aztek]

The mere fact I have to google those people proves my point. I'm talking about people who become presidents or Prime ministers. Not people who don't gain that position of power.

no it doesn't prove that. there are plenty of super rich ppl with plenty of power whose names you will never know.

it just proves 1 thing, you convinced yourself there is a limit to what you can do. with thinking like that you really are limited. no ones fault but yours.

[Jeremiah65]

Still missing the point...

You are adding something that is not part of the video. It is not about what you can choose to do...you can choose to do anything but you will be "farmed"...aka...taxed. That IS part of the video. The farmers learned that by allowing the livestock to choose their own profession, they became more productive thus more profitable to the "farmer".

Personal debt is not a part of the video unless you are talking about the debt of taxation.

Back on topic please...this is not about what you are trying to make it. This is not about human potential or income... Do you work? Do you pay taxes? If so, You are being farmed...you are livestock to a "human farmer"...hard to hear I know, but it doesn't change the facts.

[Stellar]

Still missing the point...

You are adding something that is not part of the video. It is not about what you can choose to do...you can choose to do anything but you will be "farmed"...aka...taxed. That IS part of the video. The farmers learned that by allowing the livestock to choose their own profession, they became more productive thus more profitable to the "farmer".

Personal debt is not a part of the video unless you are talking about the debt of taxation.

Back on topic please...this is not about what you are trying to make it. This is not about human potential or income... Do you work? Do you pay taxes? If so, You are being farmed...you are livestock to a "human farmer"...hard to hear I know, but it doesn't change the facts.

Sure... if you consider humans to be chickens and money to be our eggs.

[aztek]

so the bums that don't work, don't pay taxes, are not farmed but free???? lol.

show me example of society that is not farmed.

[Jeremiah65]

Well...let's try a different approach...Rather than argue and get distracted, de-railed and off topic...here is the basic text of the video

This is the story of your enslavement; how it came to be, and you can finally be free.

Like all animals, human beings want to dominate and exploit the resources around them.

At first, we mostly hunted and fished and ate off the land - but then something magical and terrible happened to our minds.

We became, alone among the animals, afraid of death, and of future loss.

And this was the start of a great tragedy, and an even greater possibility...

You see, when we became afraid of death, of injury, and imprisonment, we became controllable -- and so valuable -- in a way that no other resource could ever be.

The greatest resource for any human being to control is not natural resources, or tools, or animals or land -- but other human beings.

You can frighten an animal, because animals are afraid of pain in the moment, but you cannot frighten an animal with a loss of liberty, or with torture or imprisonment in the future, because animals have very little sense of tomorrow.

You cannot threaten a cow with torture, or a sheep with death. You cannot swing a sword at a tree and scream at it to produce more fruit, or hold a burning torch to a field and demand more wheat.

You cannot get more eggs by threatening a hen - but you can get a man to give you his eggs by threatening him.

Human farming has been the most profitable -- and destructive -- occupation throughout history, and it is now reaching its destructive climax.

Human society cannot be rationally understood until it is seen for what it is: a series of farms where human farmers own human livestock.

Some people get confused because governments provide healthcare and water and education and roads, and thus imagine that there is some benevolence at work.

Nothing could be further from reality.

Farmers provide healthcare and irrigation and training to their livestock.

Some people get confused because we are allowed certain liberties, and thus imagine that our government protects our freedoms.

But farmers plant their crops a certain distance apart to increase their yields -- and will allow certain animals larger stalls or fields if it means they will produce more meat and milk.

In your country, your tax farm, your farmer grants you certain freedoms not because he cares about your liberties, but because he wants to increase his profits.

Are you beginning to see the nature of the cage you were born into?

There have been four major phases of human farming.

The first phase, in ancient Egypt, was direct and brutal human compulsion. Human bodies were controlled, but the creative productivity of the human mind remained outside the reach of the whip and the brand and the shackles. Slaves remained woefully underproductive, and required enormous resources to control.

The second phase was the Roman model, wherein slaves were granted some capacity for freedom, ingenuity and creativity, which raised their productivity. This increased the wealth of Rome, and thus the tax income of the Roman government - and with this additional wealth, Rome became an empire, destroying the economic freedoms that fed its power, and collapsed.

I'm sure that this does not seem entirely unfamiliar.

After the collapse of Rome, the feudal model introduced the concept of livestock ownership and taxation. Instead of being directly owned, peasants farmed land that they could retain as long as they paid off the local warlords. This model broke down due to the continual subdivision of productive land, and was destroyed during the Enclosure movement, when land was consolidated, and hundreds of thousands of peasants were kicked off their ancestral lands, because new farming techniques made larger farms more productive with fewer people.

The increased productivity of the late Middle Ages created the excess food required for the expansion of towns and cities, which in turn gave rise to the modern Democratic model of human ownership.

As displaced peasants flooded into the cities, a huge stock of cheap human capital became available to the rising industrialists - and the ruling class of human farmers quickly realized that they could make more money by letting their livestock choose their own occupations.

Under the Democratic model, direct slave ownership has been replaced by the Mafia model. The Mafia rarely owns businesses directly, but rather sends thugs around once a month to steal from the business "owners."

You are now allowed to choose your own occupation, which raises your productivity - and thus the taxes you can pay to your masters.

Your few freedoms are preserved because they are profitable to your owners.

The great challenge of the Democratic model is that increases in wealth and freedom threaten the farmers. The ruling classes initially profit from a relatively free market in capital and labor, but as their livestock become more used to their freedoms and growing wealth, they begin to question why they need rulers at all.

Ah well. Nobody ever said that human farming was easy.

Keeping the tax livestock securely in the compounds of the ruling classes is a three phase process.

The first is to indoctrinate the young through government "education." As the wealth of democratic countries grew, government schools were universally inflicted in order to control the thoughts and souls of the livestock.

The second is to turn citizens against each other through the creation of dependent livestock.

It is very difficult to rule human beings directly through force -- and where it can be achieved, it remains cripplingly underproductive, as can be seen in North Korea. Human beings do not breed well or produce efficiently in direct captivity.

If human beings believe that they are free, then they will produce much more for their farmers. The best way to maintain this illusion of freedom is to put some of the livestock on the payroll of the farmer. Those cows that become dependent on the existing hierarchy will then attack any other cows who point out the violence, hypocrisy and immorality of human ownership.

Freedom is slavery, and slavery is freedom.

If you can get the cows to attack each other whenever anybody brings up the reality of their situation, then you don't have to spend nearly as much controlling them directly.

Those cows who become dependent upon the stolen largess of the farmer will violently oppose any questioning of the virtue of human ownership -- and the intellectual and artistic classes, always and forever dependent upon the farmers -- will say, to anyone who demands freedom from ownership: "You will harm your fellow cows."

The livestock are kept enclosed by shifting the moral responsibility for the destructiveness of a violent system to those who demand real freedom.

The third phase is to invent continual external threats, so that the frightened livestock cling to the "protection" of the farmers.

This system of human farming is now nearing its end.

The terrible tragedy of the modern American system has occurred not in spite of, but because of past economic freedoms.

The massive increases in American wealth throughout the 19th century resulted from economic freedom -- and it was this very increase in wealth that fed the size and power of the state.

Whenever the livestock become exponentially more productive, you get a corresponding increase in the number of farmers and their dependents.

The growth of the state is always proportional to the preceding economic freedoms.

Economic freedoms create wealth, and the wealth attracts more thieves and political parasites, whose greed then destroys the economic freedoms.

In other words, freedom metastasizes the cancer of the state.

The government that starts off the smallest will always end up the largest.

This is why there can be no viable and sustainable alternative to a truly free and peaceful society.

A society without political rulers, without human ownership, without the violence of taxation and statism...

To be truly free is both very easy, and very hard.

We avoid the horror of our enslavement because it is painful to see it directly.

We dance around the violence of our dying system because we fear the attacks of our fellow livestock.

But we can only be kept in the cages we refuse to see.

Wake up...

To see the farm is to leave it.

text content courtesy of http://board.freedom...main-radio.aspx

Edited February 11, 2013 by Jeremiah65

[Coffey]

no it doesn't prove that. there are plenty of super rich ppl with plenty of power whose names you will never know.

it just proves 1 thing, you convinced yourself there is a limit to what you can do. with thinking like that you really are limited. no ones fault but yours.

Haha, I could not run for prime minister and niether could you. (or for president etc)

[questionmark]

Haha, I could not run for prime minister and niether could you. (or for president etc)

sure you can run, getting elected is a different story though.

[Stellar]

The problem with all these subjects is this:

You can frame everything and anything as "slavery". We need money to live -> We get a job with some corporation in order to make that money -> Corporation has us "enslaved".

Anything can be "framed" that way. If we were to truely, and I mean truely live, as a world, in a manner that can not be portrayed by anyone at all as slavery, then we'd also still be living in mud huts and wigwams and be wild, lacking all the technology and tools we have today. When you're running around all day busy being "independent", you don't have much time to sit there, invent things and contemplate the laws of physics and how to manipulate it to the degree we have now. If you sit there and do that, you dont eat. The moment you rely on someone else to bring you food so that you can do the above, you become dependent on them and can be considered "enslaved" by the same logic as that video presents.

As for the part where people say the powers that be deliberately encourage fighting among ourselves, well, lets also not get carried away with that concept and assume that all fighting is because someone "in power" caused it. Humans argue with each other, they fight and they kill each other. They have for thousands of years. Perhaps some conflicts are engineered, but not all of them.

[Coffey]

sure you can run, getting elected is a different story though.

That's more my point, or running with a chance.

Anything can be "framed" that way. If we were to truely, and I mean truely live, as a world, in a manner that can not be portrayed by anyone at all as slavery, then we'd also still be living in mud huts and wigwams and be wild, lacking all the technology and tools we have today.

That's not true at all. lol

If our Goverments where in charge of printing money and not private banks that would chnage a lot to start with. lol Our countries ar ein debt to private banks how cna you nto see how messe dup that is?! lol It shouldn't evne be possible. lol

Edited February 11, 2013 by Coffey

[Stellar]

That's more my point, or running with a chance.

That's not true at all. lol

Its not true? Propose to me a system in which you see people as truely free.

[Coffey]

Its not true? Propose to me a system in which you see people as truely free.

The original concept of a goverment.

Where a goverment is there for the people and does whatt he people want. Then the goverment /the people control the bank. Not a private owners who has whole countries in debt to them.

That is a free system, no debt.

Banks contorl the money, money controls the goverment, goverment controls the people, that is the system we have now.

Edited February 11, 2013 by Coffey