SpiritWriter Posted February 19, 2013 #26 Share Posted February 19, 2013 No but we should be careful about who we mate with to some degree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted February 19, 2013 #27 Share Posted February 19, 2013 OK. If we can GMO kids then we can ban abortion because all kids can be born perfect. Even a rape victims child can be modified to not be a victim anymore. Its only the rich which will have GM kids. I very much doubt it will be available to "shopping list" what your child will looks like on the NHS. If 2 healthy people want a child, then how will they know that their child is going to have defects? So you may have a GM child and it would not have been necessary. Or do they start GM experiments on the child after it is born?.......................oh boy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taun Posted February 19, 2013 #28 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Another way to look at it... Let us assume for the sake of arguement that genetic engineering actually works as advertised... I'm sure the process would not be cheap and/or readily available to everyone... So we would end up with the people with the most cash/influence designing their unborn children to be 'perfect' - i.e. ultra handsome, ultra beautiful, faster, stronger, smarter, etc... These 'super children' (when adult) would dominate the culture especially in sports, entertainment, finance, business, science... Where would 'ordinary' children get a chance?... Ditch diggers, port-a-potty emptiers, dish washers and laborers... Yes someone has to do all those... but it would forever split the species along not only financial/social lines but genetic as well... You think it's hard to get ahead now... Wait until this happens and see what a normal persons chances would be... Edited February 19, 2013 by Taun 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted February 19, 2013 #29 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Another way to look at it... Let us assume for the sake of arguement that genetic engineering actually works as advertised... I'm sure the process would not be cheap and/or readily available to everyone... So we would end up with the people with the most cash/influence designing their unborn children to be 'perfect' - i.e. ultra handsome, ultra beautiful, faster, stronger, smarter, etc... These 'super children' (when adult) would dominate the culture especially in sports, entertainment, finance, business, science... Where would 'ordinary' children get a chance?... Ditch diggers, port-a-potty emptiers, dish washers and laborers... Yes someone has to do all those... but it would forever split the species along not only financial/social lines but genetic as well... You think it's hard to get ahead now... Wait until this happens and see what a normal persons chances would be... Stephen Hawking was not GM`d, and he is rather clever to say the least. So what they look like means nothing. As for the money side of it, the rich children today already have a higher foot on the ladder than then poorer people, but again, what they look like does not mean they will be clever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted February 19, 2013 #30 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I dont think my child could have turned out better then what he is and he isnt a GMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted February 19, 2013 #31 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I think its a bad idea. Genetically modified anything is whole-heartedly unnatural. One of the main reasons why there are so many diseases is becauce of modified food etc.. If its not natural then theres no point in continuing with the process. _ we are ALL genetically modified. our genes have, over time, modified us from single-celled organisms, into the fine specimens of humanity we see today, and if genetic engineering will eradicate women with hideous, pumped-up ducklips, victoria beckhams, and gingers*, then i'm all for it!! . (*humour.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted February 19, 2013 #32 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) If its not natural then theres no point in continuing with the process. _ not natural like what? eating cooked food? wearing clothes? metal alloys? plastics? there are many things we take for granted that a tiger would consider unnatural, but that doesn't make them wrong. Edited February 19, 2013 by shrooma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted February 19, 2013 #33 Share Posted February 19, 2013 IMO, absolutely not. I don't agree with any way shape or form of Genetically Modified food or humans. _ by that rationale, if you could genetically modify corn to grow in desert conditions, and save millions of people from starving to death, you wouldn't? on principle? IMO, absolutely not. I don't agree with any way shape or form of Genetically Modified food or humans. _ by that rationale, if you could genetically modify corn to grow in desert conditions, and save millions of people from starving to death, you wouldn't? on principle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted February 20, 2013 #34 Share Posted February 20, 2013 And can they genetically modify the minds? The problem in our society is not the way people look, its the minds of the mad which is our problems! The mind is influenced by the brain, so yes to a certain degree. Though some people wouldn't know what to do with it if they had one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Censorship Posted February 20, 2013 #35 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I think its a bad idea. Genetically modified anything is whole-heartedly unnatural. One of the main reasons why there are so many diseases is becauce of modified food etc.. If its not natural then theres no point in continuing with the process. You raise a good point. We don't know or understand the possible ramifications down the road when we modify genes. Will short-term gain lead to long-term pain if we alter events that are better left to nature without artificial human interference that may disrupt the cycle of life? It could be like the admonition to not pluck one blade of grass if you should ever get the chance to travel through time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Censorship Posted February 20, 2013 #36 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Another way to look at it... Let us assume for the sake of arguement that genetic engineering actually works as advertised... I'm sure the process would not be cheap and/or readily available to everyone... So we would end up with the people with the most cash/influence designing their unborn children to be 'perfect' - i.e. ultra handsome, ultra beautiful, faster, stronger, smarter, etc... These 'super children' (when adult) would dominate the culture especially in sports, entertainment, finance, business, science... Where would 'ordinary' children get a chance?... Ditch diggers, port-a-potty emptiers, dish washers and laborers... Yes someone has to do all those... but it would forever split the species along not only financial/social lines but genetic as well... You think it's hard to get ahead now... Wait until this happens and see what a normal persons chances would be... Your post brings "Brave New World" to mind with its categories of human beings. I can see your post coming to pass if society takes things to extremes. We catch glances and glimpses of it in our ordinary world. We already see how genetics are destinies in some ways. For instance, it's no coincidence that Peyton and Eli Manning have the same father with the same talent. You see examples of this all of the time, but my example was a dramatic one. However, we learn from history that this is a dangerous road that can lead to all sorts of destructive ends. We should tread lightly. We should acknowledge that eugenics and genocide are possible in our day and age too. Regular citizens were forcefully sterilized in the USA in the 1970s. That's not too long ago, and there likely were other cases that took place after that. The scary thing is that your post applies to certain aspects of society now, as can be seen by the growing gap between economic classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted February 20, 2013 #37 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Apparently, possibility to eradicate hereditary illnesses is unspeakable evil... Eerie dark ages... Potatoes will cause all imaginable diseases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_dude777 Posted February 20, 2013 #38 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I think the option should be available for those who want to utilize it. I personally don't care what each individual's belief on it is, I would use the service in a heartbeat. After a few generations of people utilizing the service, the others would catch on. Someone already mentioned it, but the movie 'Gattaca' covers this very scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted February 20, 2013 #39 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I was picturing Star wars Stormtroopers myself. Once they genetical engineer the perfect human then clone it enmasse and blamo a ready made army. Take away its free will and rights and blamo. Star Wars. It wouldnt be the first time we developed reality out of sci-fi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted February 20, 2013 #40 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) I think the option should be available for those who want to utilize it. I personally don't care what each individual's belief on it is, I would use the service in a heartbeat. After a few generations of people utilizing the service, the others would catch on. Someone already mentioned it, but the movie 'Gattaca' covers this very scenario. Who are the people this will be available to? the rich who will not be using it for the "right' reasons, but will use it to have a child with a certain eye and hair colour. How do we know a healthy couple will have an unhealthy child until that child is born? or is this only going to be available to people who have a history of illnesses, if that is the case then they will either have to be rich to be able to afford it or be happy to be a guinea pig and even then there are no certainties. Edited February 20, 2013 by freetoroam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted February 20, 2013 Author #41 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) I was picturing Star wars Stormtroopers myself. Once they genetical engineer the perfect human then clone it enmasse and blamo a ready made army. Take away its free will and rights and blamo. Star Wars. It wouldnt be the first time we developed reality out of sci-fi. The first time? http://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/quarterly/innovation/scifi-that-foretold-the-future.html Edited February 20, 2013 by Hasina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_dude777 Posted February 20, 2013 #42 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Who are the people this will be available to? the rich who will not be using it for the "right' reasons, but will use it to have a child with a certain eye and hair colour. How do we know a healthy couple will have an unhealthy child until that child is born? or is this only going to be available to people who have a history of illnesses, if that is the case then they will either have to be rich to be able to afford it or be happy to be a guinea pig and even then there are no certainties. Available to everyone. As to the rest of the post, the idea is to prevent the uncertainty of having a healthy child, attempting to bring the probability of an unhealthy child to 0%. As far as the 'right' reasons, if someone wants a child with a certain hair color or eye color, more power to them. Not sure why that would be an effective argument against.... Is it a concern to humanity how many people have what color of hair? The cosmetics are minor, and couldn't care less about people designing the cosmetics of their offspring. I'm more focused on the degenerative diseases being eliminated from the gene pool, enhancing our bodies to fight off infectious diseases, increasing our regenerative abilities, maxing out our intellectual capabilities, and so forth. On the flip side, if people want to keep it 'natural', go for it. Just don't deprive someone else of something because you don't want to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted February 20, 2013 #43 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Who are the people this will be available to? the rich who will not be using it for the "right' reasons, but will use it to have a child with a certain eye and hair colour. [...] Every single thing can be used in wrong way (take toothpick - excellent weapon to pick the eye, with the credit card you can slice someones throat, etc, etc, etc). [...] How do we know a healthy couple will have an unhealthy child until that child is born? [...] What is healthy? Any of us have hundreds of "faulty/bad" genes. In the long turn it may give bad results. And how we will know couple will have an unhealthy child until that child is born? Screening. [...] or is this only going to be available to people who have a history of illnesses, if that is the case then they will either have to be rich to be able to afford it or be happy to be a guinea pig and even them there are no certainties. Computers were very expensive few decades ago. Nowadays you can have pretty good PC of $1000 (and 10 year old PC you won't buy for $100). New technologies are always expensive, with time it will become cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted February 20, 2013 #44 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Available to everyone. As to the rest of the post, the idea is to prevent the uncertainty of having a healthy child, attempting to bring the probability of an unhealthy child to 0%. As far as the 'right' reasons, if someone wants a child with a certain hair color or eye color, more power to them. Not sure why that would be an effective argument against.... Is it a concern to humanity how many people have what color of hair? The cosmetics are minor, and couldn't care less about people designing the cosmetics of their offspring. I'm more focused on the degenerative diseases being eliminated from the gene pool, enhancing our bodies to fight off infectious diseases, increasing our regenerative abilities, maxing out our intellectual capabilities, and so forth. On the flip side, if people want to keep it 'natural', go for it. Just don't deprive someone else of something because you don't want to use it. I am skeptical about it working. Which at the moment, we do not know if it will and i think it will take a few generations to see if it does. We are finding out today that many GM foods are not as "healthy" as some people thought. There have been a few "experiments" with drugs too which have turned out not to be as safe as we were told. But i can not see this as being cheap and think only those who can afford it will take it up, but not until the poorer people have been used as guinea pigs first. I would not be surprised at all if it is going on right now behind closed doors as we type. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted February 20, 2013 #45 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) My child is perfect and non GM. Edited February 20, 2013 by AsteroidX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted February 20, 2013 #46 Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) Every single thing can be used in wrong way (take toothpick - excellent weapon to pick the eye, with the credit card you can slice someones throat, etc, etc, etc). You are having it up my back!! What is healthy? Any of us have hundreds of "faulty/bad" genes. In the long turn it may give bad results. And how we will know couple will have an unhealthy child until that child is born? Screening. Screening once the child has been conceived, And even then it can not tell everything. Screening will not tell if your child will be autistic! Computers were very expensive few decades ago. Nowadays you can have pretty good PC of $1000 (and 10 year old PC you won't buy for $100). New technologies are always expensive, with time it will become cheap. They will not be using an ipad or a Dell laptop!! Surgery is not cheap and the surgeons wages are not getting lower. The money required to conduct the research and experiments will cost an arm and a leg, someone will want their money back as well as the surgeons being well paid for doing it too. Edited February 20, 2013 by freetoroam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted February 20, 2013 #47 Share Posted February 20, 2013 My child is perfect and non GM. Same here,now only if i could have his mother genetically engineered to not be such a ***** we might still be together lmao 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted February 20, 2013 #48 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I'm more focused on the degenerative diseases being eliminated from the gene pool, enhancing our bodies to fight off infectious diseases, increasing our regenerative abilities, maxing out our intellectual capabilities, and so forth. - have to say I agree with this. I can't see how preventing children from suffering can be considered a bad thing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_dude777 Posted February 20, 2013 #49 Share Posted February 20, 2013 My child is perfect and non GM. Well, your subjective opinion of your child deems him or her perfect. Their genetic code will say otherwise. Also, when we get really good at this gene modification and therapy stuff, we (in theory) will be able to correct a bunch of things that aren't 'perfect' to begin with. One major example, we may be able to fix the fact that we share a windpipe and feeding tube. Increase the number and type of rods and cones in our eyes. Get rid of the vestigal organs (so you aren't risking death from appendicitis). Fix the fact we only have 2 sets of teeth in our lifetime, and get rid of the extras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrooma Posted February 20, 2013 #50 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Is it a concern to humanity how many people have what color of hair? . yes. ginger people are the work of satan! :-) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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