danielost Posted March 15, 2013 #1 Share Posted March 15, 2013 the usa's government is working just like the founding fathers wanted it to. Liberals seem to think that the governments job is to pass laws and let the supreme court get rid of the bad ones. But, the founding fathers set up the government so few laws would be passed and even fewer amendments would be passed, so that we don't end up revoking feel good amendments. Like proabition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted March 15, 2013 #2 Share Posted March 15, 2013 The funniest thing to come from the Senate Democrats lately is that the first budget they've proposed since 2009 will still increase both spending and taxes. My mind is boggled trying to understand how they honestly think we should stay the course of trying to spend our way out of debt with larger and larger projected deficits every year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakari Posted March 15, 2013 #3 Share Posted March 15, 2013 the usa's government is working just like the founding fathers wanted it to. No, it is not. The founding fathers wanted anyone to have a chance at office. They did not want financially backed poloticians. There is no way a normal joe can be heard, or seen. He or she would be buried without millions and millions in " donations ". Corporate rules, and the wealthy. Not the average Joes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 15, 2013 Author #4 Share Posted March 15, 2013 No, it is not. The founding fathers wanted anyone to have a chance at office. They did not want financially backed poloticians. There is no way a normal joe can be heard, or seen. He or she would be buried without millions and millions in " donations ". Corporate rules, and the wealthy. Not the average Joes. No, the founding fathers didn't trust government. I have been told on here thet Franklin convenced Boston to open a free hospetal. If that was so important to him, why didn't he get it put in the bill of rights. Simple he didn't trust government. Also, why do you think they gave land to schools. To keep state and federal goverment out of it. Since the feds have been in it schools have been going down hill. Remember the feds only pay about ten percent of the school budget. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted March 15, 2013 #5 Share Posted March 15, 2013 go on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted March 15, 2013 #6 Share Posted March 15, 2013 No, it is not. The founding fathers wanted anyone to have a chance at office. They did not want financially backed poloticians. There is no way a normal joe can be heard, or seen. He or she would be buried without millions and millions in " donations ". Corporate rules, and the wealthy. Not the average Joes. Given the Founder Fathers were part of the wealthy elite I don't think average Joes had much of a chance back either, let alone women and minorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 15, 2013 Author #7 Share Posted March 15, 2013 The funniest thing to come from the Senate Democrats lately is that the first budget they've proposed since 2009 will still increase both spending and taxes. My mind is boggled trying to understand how they honestly think we should stay the course of trying to spend our way out of debt with larger and larger projected deficits every year. Ryan's budget increases spending as well. But, it is about four trillion dollars less than the dem's budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 15, 2013 Author #8 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Given the Founder Fathers were part of the wealthy elite I don't think average Joes had much of a chance back either, let alone women and minorities. Which is why the founding fathers created lobbests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted March 15, 2013 #9 Share Posted March 15, 2013 if they are working they are hiding the fact remarkably well. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted March 15, 2013 #10 Share Posted March 15, 2013 President Truman was an average guy. He had only a high school education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted March 15, 2013 #11 Share Posted March 15, 2013 No, it is not. The founding fathers wanted anyone to have a chance at office. They did not want financially backed poloticians. There is no way a normal joe can be heard, or seen. He or she would be buried without millions and millions in " donations ". Corporate rules, and the wealthy. Not the average Joes. Well since George Washingtong was the richest American I'm not really sure how accurate your assumption is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted March 15, 2013 #12 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I'm reminded of that part on Mars Attacks! where Jack Nicholson says, "Tell the people they have two out of three branches of the government working for 'um and THAT AIN'T BAD!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohio traveler Posted March 15, 2013 #13 Share Posted March 15, 2013 If so, they don't seem to work very often. Seems like they are always on vacation. St. Patrick's Day is this weekend. Congress probably gets two or three weeks off for that don't they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einsteinium Posted March 15, 2013 #14 Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Our government as it is now would be almost unrecognizable to the founding fathers. You are absolutely right danielost, the founders did not trust government. They saw government as an evil, but necessary evil, and that its power should be limited as much as reasonably possible. Ever since then the government has steadily been increasing its power and size. The republicans pretend to be conservatives, but a close look at what they actually do when they are in power will show you that they are anything but (at least the modern republican party). If any party today understands the founders and what they intended it would have to be the libertarian party. And no our government is not working. For the last few years they have not even been able to do something as simple as pass an actual budget! How can you consider that working in any way? Edited March 15, 2013 by Einsteinium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted March 15, 2013 #15 Share Posted March 15, 2013 the usa's government is working just like the founding fathers wanted it to. This guy signed the Declaration of Independence but refused to sign the Constitution while having a very large impact on its language. A very interesting Founding Father to read up on and definitely saw the conditions we are facing today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbridge_Gerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted March 15, 2013 #16 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Our government as it is now would be almost unrecognizable to the founding fathers. You are absolutely right danielost, the founders did not trust government. They saw government as an evil, but necessary evil, and that its power should be limited as much as reasonably possible. Ever since then the government has steadily been increasing its power and size. The republicans pretend to be conservatives, but a close look at what they actually do when they are in power will show you that they are anything but (at least the modern republican party). If any party today understands the founders and what they intended it would have to be the libertarian party. And no our government is not working. For the last few years they have not even been able to do something as simple as pass an actual budget! How can you consider that working in any way? Our government as it is now would be almost unrecognizable to the founding fathers. You are absolutely right danielost, the founders did not trust government. They saw government as an evil, but necessary evil, and that its power should be limited as much as reasonably possible. Ever since then the government has steadily been increasing its power and size. The republicans pretend to be conservatives, but a close look at what they actually do when they are in power will show you that they are anything but (at least the modern republican party). If any party today understands the founders and what they intended it would have to be the libertarian party. And no our government is not working. For the last few years they have not even been able to do something as simple as pass an actual budget! How can you consider that working in any way? I couldn't agree more. We needed LIMITED government, not more. The government needs to stay the heck out of everyone's business. When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny. -- Thomas Jefferson Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. -- Thomas Jefferson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Dave Posted March 18, 2013 #17 Share Posted March 18, 2013 They are certainly working.... working towards hyperinflation do see this : ... facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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