Bavarian Raven Posted June 15, 2013 #101 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Anyways we should keep this discussion out of this thread. Or give it it's own thread so that we don't derail this thread 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #102 Share Posted June 15, 2013 My point is, you cannot pat yourself on the back about how many times guns have saved lives without putting that fact into the context of how many more Americans have died as a consequence of your countries fetish for guns. Its dishonest at best. The highest deaths by gun rate (and one of the highest homicide rates in general) in the developed world is not a statistic which is going to go away Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 15, 2013 #103 Share Posted June 15, 2013 My point is, you cannot pat yourself on the back about how many times guns have saved lives without putting that fact into the context of how many more Americans have died as a consequence of your countries fetish for guns. Its dishonest at best. The highest deaths by gun rate (and one of the highest homicide rates in general) in the developed world is not a statistic which is going to go away Br Cornelius you were told few times already, MAKE YOUR POINTS SOMEPLACE ELSE, what you doing now is TROLLING. and it would help greatly, if posters here didn't FEED THE TROLL 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #104 Share Posted June 15, 2013 you were told few times already, MAKE YOUR POINTS SOMEPLACE ELSE, what you doing now is TROLLING. and it would help greatly, if posters here didn't FEED THE TROLL Carry on feeding your fantasy that guns make you safer, just ignore the facts In a closed bubble, a dog can circle for ever without interference Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted June 15, 2013 #105 Share Posted June 15, 2013 you were told few times already, MAKE YOUR POINTS SOMEPLACE ELSE, what you doing now is TROLLING. and it would help greatly, if posters here didn't FEED THE TROLL I don't get it; this is a thread about guns. Are you trying to censor a poster? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah G. Posted June 15, 2013 #106 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) http://americangunfacts.com/ It's all been said before but some people are so bent on hating everything about the United States that they won't listen. Edited June 15, 2013 by Leah G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #107 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) http://americangunfacts.com/ It's all been said before but some people are so bent on hating everything about the United States that they won't listen. In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!9 I would love to dig into the analysis used on this site but its difficult since methods are not discussed. However I spotted at least one factual error in a quick scan though; In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!9 hand guns have been illegal in the UK for well over 70years. How a ficticious banning of handguns can lead to a 77% rise in violent crime is frankly beyond me. Magic maybe. Statistics and damn lies. For a bit more of a balanced analysis try; http://factcheck.org...c-vs-gun-facts/ But among advanced countries, the U.S. homicide rate stands out. “We seem to be an average country in terms of violence and aggression,” says Harvard’s Hemenway. “What we have is huge homicide rates compared to anybody else.” Says Wintemute: “The difference is that in this country violence involves firearms and firearms change the outcome.” Br Cornelius Edited June 15, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 15, 2013 #108 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) Carry on feeding your fantasy that guns make you safer, Br Cornelius trolling is bad, mkay. Edited June 15, 2013 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #109 Share Posted June 15, 2013 trolling is bad, mkay. Then stop it and you'll get good Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 15, 2013 #110 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Then stop it and you'll get good Br Cornelius i,am good, and you are a troll. and you belong on my ignore list, good bye troll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #111 Share Posted June 15, 2013 i,am good, and you are a troll. and you belong on my ignore list, good bye troll You should read that link I posted - very balanced and not particularly anti-gun - but it clearly supports my statements about American homicide rates and refutes many of the myths in the website you supplied. If you want to learn give it a go rather than going all huffy. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted June 15, 2013 Author #112 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) I don't get it; this is a thread about guns. Are you trying to censor a poster? Mr. Merton, this isn't really a gun debate thread. It is a thread about the instances where guns save lives. This thread stayed on topic for a couple months and almost 90 posts which is a rare thing and then Ché Guerilla showed up to derail it. There are a thousand other threads to debate guns in general but this one has a particular purpose that in it self can not be argued with hence the many articles posted here. There'd be many more if I wasn't such a slacker about it but its been going well until now. Edited June 15, 2013 by F3SS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #113 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Mr. Merton, this isn't really a gun debate thread. It is a thread about the instances where guns save lives. This thread stayed on topic for a couple months and almost 90 posts which is a rare thing and then Ché Guerilla showed up to derail it. There are a thousand other threads to debate guns in general but this one has a particular purpose that in it self can not be argued with hence the many articles posted here. There'd be many more if I wasn't such a slacker about it but its been going well until now. A back slapping exercise to support your bubble view of reality. I avoided it before because of its attempted narrow focus and intent to support the claim that guns are just fine and dandy and do nothing but good. Bull. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted June 15, 2013 Author #114 Share Posted June 15, 2013 A back slapping exercise to support your bubble view of reality. I avoided it before because of its attempted narrow focus and intent to support the claim that guns are just fine and dandy and do nothing but good. Bull. Br Cornelius I never said that mr. One track mind. I said just this thread is about the good side of guns. Have all the opinions you want but many good people are alive today because they had a gun and the proof is in the articles posted here and I dare you to argue otherwise because as far as this particular thread is concerned you can't argue that statement. Go take your communist dump somewhere else. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 15, 2013 #115 Share Posted June 15, 2013 I never said that mr. One track mind. I said just this thread is about the good side of guns. Have all the opinions you want but many good people are alive today because they had a gun and the proof is in the articles posted here and I dare you to argue otherwise because as far as this particular thread is concerned you can't argue that statement. Go take your communist dump somewhere else. Ya'll just ignore him! He rarely participates in the myriad of active confrontational gun threads. He is simply being a thorn in your sides now because he doesn't have anything better to do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 15, 2013 #116 Share Posted June 15, 2013 on the other hand .... a good joke is good enough ... but then .... you gotta love them gun ... owners // it's all in good fun ... no need to point them guns at me ... ~ That is an old joke and I still love it! Cool how they made it look like a real newspaper though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Raven Posted June 15, 2013 #117 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Ok we should report Cornelleus to the mods or something. He just doesn't get it - stop trolling!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmoonlady Posted June 15, 2013 #118 Share Posted June 15, 2013 The number of incidents involving a gun saving a person or persons pales in comparison to those who die from gun violence or accidental shootings, suicides etc. That you want to have a nice thread discussing all the happy endings involving guns is just that a nice idea, it isn't a truthful picture of guns in general. it's like attempting to make a thread discussing the possible small medical information gleaned from Nazi doctors torturing people at concentration camps but refusing to mention all of the additional atrocities that went on at the concentration camp. It isn't trolling it's called balancing the truth and presenting facts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #119 Share Posted June 15, 2013 The number of incidents involving a gun saving a person or persons pales in comparison to those who die from gun violence or accidental shootings, suicides etc. That you want to have a nice thread discussing all the happy endings involving guns is just that a nice idea, it isn't a truthful picture of guns in general. it's like attempting to make a thread discussing the possible small medical information gleaned from Nazi doctors torturing people at concentration camps but refusing to mention all of the additional atrocities that went on at the concentration camp. It isn't trolling it's called balancing the truth and presenting facts. Indeed. Bubble popping time. I have been involved in gun discussions but stopped when I realized how dishonest the arguments were and how rabidly some Americans want their guns what ever the cost. Report away. It ain't trolling to tell some home truths . Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted June 15, 2013 Author #120 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Here's the bottom line people. The good, the bad and the ugly I see all sides to guns but I only see one side concerning the second amendment. It's here, it's right, it's ours and it isn't going anywhere. And why you so worried about our supposed "gun culture" supposedly influencing other countries? You afraid people might like it? I don't see how given that the rest of the world sees US as barbarians and the rest of the world has 'progressed' beyond such barbarian tactics or so I'm told time and time again. After all these months this thread has been here going well and on topic you progressive types have to come and shlt all over it pretty much like you do every time you see people enjoying themselves and minding their own business. I don't care though. My opinion on gun rights is the majority opinion in this country and I enjoy seeing you seeing red when freedom prevails. And sorry Michelle. I can't ignore it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #121 Share Posted June 15, 2013 As I said, if you didn't export your gun-ho attitude to "POLICING" the world I would be at all concerned about your countries propensity for killing people with guns. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 15, 2013 #122 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) Or why don't we have a thread talking about all of the advantages of having electricity and new tech. Then some jackass is going to come along and preach about all of the people that are accidently killed by it, the children that stick their fingers into sockets, the executions by it, the poor people who die while stealing the wiring for it or the innocent pets and wildlife that die chewing through wires...not to mention wildfires that take out thousands of acres...all caused by electricity. I say BAN electricity!!! It has spread far enough! Edited June 15, 2013 by Michelle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #123 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Or why don't we have a thread talking about all of the advantages of having electricity and new tech. Then some jackass is going to come along and preach about all of the people that are accidently killed by it, the children that stick their fingers into sockets, the executions by it, the poor people who die while stealing the wiring for it or the innocent pets and wildlife that die chewing through wires...not to mention wildfires that take out thousands of acres...all caused by electricity. I say BAN electricity!!! It has spread far enough! Funny but electricity wasn't designed to kill people - spot the difference ? Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 15, 2013 #124 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Funny but electricity wasn't designed to kill people - spot the difference ? Br Cornelius Not originally, but were guns made to hunt for food or to kill an enemy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2013 #125 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) Not originally, but were guns made to hunt for food or to kill an enemy? Kill an enemy, designed for war intended to kill a person - little doubt about it. In an arms race everyone loses and America seems to be a proof of that. Personally you may think you are safer, but statistically you couldn't be more wrong. Br Cornelius Edited June 15, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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