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The war in Iraq did not damage terror groups


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I absolutely agree with the comment that I bolded below and have been saying this all along. Here we are spending at least a couple hundred billion dollars on this war, allong with countless injuries and over 1000 deaths of US troops alone and we are not making a dent in the actual war on terror.

By MARK LAVIE, Associated Press Writer

TEL AVIV, Israel - The war in Iraq did not damage international terror groups, but instead distracted the United States from confronting other hotbeds of Islamic militancy and actually "created momentum" for many terrorists, a top Israeli security think tank said in a report released Monday.

President Bush (news - web sites) has called the war in Iraq an integral part of the war on terrorism, saying that deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) hoped to develop unconventional weapons and could have given them to Islamic militants across the world.

But the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University said that instead of striking a blow against Islamic extremists, the Iraq war "has created momentum for many terrorist elements, but chiefly al-Qaida and its affiliates."

Jaffee Center director Shai Feldman said the vast amount of money and effort the United States has poured into Iraq has deflected attention and assets from other centers of terrorism, such as Afghanistan (news - web sites).

The concentration of U.S. intelligence assets in Iraq "has to be at the expense of being able to follow strategic dangers in other parts of the world," he said.

Shlomo Brom, a retired Israeli army general, said the U.S.-led effort was strategically misdirected. If the goal in the war against terrorism is "not just to kill the mosquitos but to dry the swamp," he said, "now it's quite clear" that Iraq "is not the swamp."

Instead, he said, the Iraq campaign is having the opposite effect, drawing Islamic extremists from other parts of the world to join the battle.

"On a strategic level as well as an operational level," Brom concluded, "the war in Iraq is hurting the war on international terrorism."

In other findings, Jaffee Center experts disagreed with the Israeli government's statements that its four-year struggle against Palestinian militants is part of the world fight against Islamic terrorism.

Yoram Schweitzer, who wrote the chapter about the Iraq war, said the local conflict is a "national struggle," while international Islamic militant groups like al-Qaida target not only Israel but also the entire Western world.

After interviewing Palestinian militants, including some in prison, Schweitzer said they do not consider themselves part of the al-Qaida campaign. "Many of them are critical of Al-Qaida and its methods," he told a news conference.

The Jaffee report found that Israel has succeeded in reducing Palestinian violence against Israelis.

Feldman said the motivation of Palestinian militants to attack the country remained unchanged, but praised the work of military intelligence in preventing many attacks.

"The only reason these (anti-terror) operations succeed is that we have better intelligence," he said.

Feldman said the weekend attacks in the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula aimed at places where Israelis gather did not figure in to the assessment. Thirteen Israelis were among at least 34 people killed in two car bomb attacks Thursday.

"We regard the attacks in the Sinai in a different category," he said, likening it to an attack at a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, last year that killed 10, including three Israelis.

The report includes statistical breakdowns of the military forces and their capabilities in the Middle East, as well as analyses of regional issues.

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and yet these experts fail to realise that

1) getting rid of Saddam puts in place a friendly government that is in control of the 2nd largest oil reserves, suddenly Saudi Arabia is open to international action

2) The US is in a position to engage Iran from 3 fronts

3) there are still plenty of troops in afghanistan and plenty of work getting done there

on top of this there are plenty of other reasons why Saddam should have been removed:P

Jaffee Center director Shai Feldman said the vast amount of money and effort the United States has poured into Iraq has deflected attention and assets from other centers of terrorism, such as Afghanistan

such as Afghanistan? they say it as though Afghanistan is the only country where the government was supporting these groups.

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Ignoring the fact that Saddam was a friendly government to start with. In fact they stayed a friendly government until they attacked Kuwait.

The new government may start friendly but will it still be that way in 20 years?

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getting rid of Saddam puts in place a friendly government that is in control of the 2nd largest oil reserves

and you think that's a good thing.

How long are they going to be friendly when they are in control of the 2nd largest oil reserves. Saddam was once cosidered friendly too

suddenly Saudi Arabia is open to international action

You actually think USA will do anything to the Saudi's. They wouldn't touch them, with all the money the Saudi's have invested in America

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Ignoring the fact that Saddam was a friendly government to start with. In fact they stayed a friendly government until they attacked Kuwait.

The new government may start friendly but will it still be that way in 20 years?

and that means what? that alliances can change? oh geez thanks for the insight

they are friendly now, noone can say how long they will be friendly for, but it makes as much sense to argue they might not be friendly in the future as saying that we shouldn't invest in china or whatever because at some point in the futre they may become hostile...

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Ignoring the fact that Saddam was a friendly government to start with. In fact they stayed a friendly government until they attacked Kuwait.

The new government may start friendly but will it still be that way in 20 years?

and that means what? that alliances can change? oh geez thanks for the insight

they are friendly now, noone can say how long they will be friendly for, but it makes as much sense to argue they might not be friendly in the future as saying that we shouldn't invest in china or whatever because at some point in the futre they may become hostile...

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People dwell on what happened during the cold war years too much. Yeah, we were allied with Iraq against the USSR and Iran. In those days foriegn policy was dictated by the cold war needs.

Of course, Saddam becoming a dictator made it easy for him to turn against us and begin invading his neighbors.

Here is what the above report fails to mention. We have eliminated a government that actively supported terrorism, in the form of Hamas, Hezzbollah, Islamic Gyhad, Ansar al Islam, Saddam Fedayeen, etc... In 1941, when the Japanese attacked us, we went to war against all of facism, not just the Japanese. Likewise, we are fighting all terrorism, not just Al Queda.

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Ignoring the fact that Saddam was a friendly government to start with. In fact they stayed a friendly government until they attacked Kuwait.

The new government may start friendly but will it still be that way in 20 years?

You are ignoring the fact that the Iraqis never had a say in their government...until now. The new government might not be friendly in 20 years. Look at France....you'd think they would be eternally grateful to the US for helping liberate them from their German Occupiers.....if we had a crystal ball to see into the future...................

The fact is that viewing Iraq apart from the Global war on Terror is at best, short sighted. Zarcowardly is beheading those who refuse to bow down to him. And we are not fighting the terrorists in Iraq? Huh?! Oh I forgot...they aren't terrorists...they are...insurrgents...yeah right.

Can you people not look over the mountain top and see the world with a free Iraq, a free Afghanistan, a free Iran, a free Syria, a free Palestine, a free Saudi Arabia, a free North Korea, a free China? Kerry is wrong...the terrorists are not a nuisance....they are a threat to the entire free world.

Local talk show host Mark Davis said it correctly: There are two kinds of people...those who get the war on terror...and those who don't.

Kerry will lead this country into the greatest depression since WWII and into a war of very scary proportions.

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Kerry will lead this country into the greatest depression since WWII and into a war of very scary proportions.

Isn't that exactly what Bush has already done? huh.gif

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Kerry will lead this country into the greatest depression since WWII and into a war of very scary proportions.

Isn't that exactly what Bush has already done? huh.gif

No, Bush led us out of a recession, into prosperity, and is taking on the terrorists, something the previous administration was afraid to do. Kerry is a bumbling fool...exactly what you guys call Bush, Kerry actually is.

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Well... seeing that Kerry thinks that Terrorism is just "A Nuisance"....... whistling2.gif

Yeah... that is just the attitude we need in office.... rolleyes.gif

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You are ignoring the fact that the Iraqis never had a say in their government...until now. The new government might not be friendly in 20 years. Look at France....you'd think they would be eternally grateful to the US for helping liberate them from their German Occupiers.....if we had a crystal ball to see into the future...................

If only they had a crystal ball when they helped you actually exist eh......

Joc please oh please dont try and delve into history again, we all know how it ends up.

BTW you do know that in total their were more non-american troops involved in th DDay landings dont you???

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You know, when that absolute rubbish with "Freedom fries" and "freedom toast"....the French should have sent a little note to Bush saying...

"Hey, you know the Statue of Liberty? Yeah? Good...we'll be having that back tongue.gif"

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ha ha ha.

i wonder how many people in america actually knew that they french were responsib;le for that.lol

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I wonder how many people in America know that the French helped them to victory in the wars of Independance huh.gif

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and don't stop there seraphina.

i wonder how many americans realise their countries fate and future was decided on the plains of abraham, outside of montreal, circa, 1740-50. the battle between montcalm and wolfe.

when wolfe defeated montcalm and the french left, the americans then felt there was no threat from the french, and began to figure out how to get rid of the british.

had the french won, it would have been a while before america was truly independant.

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I love your avatar Nxt2Hvn. original.gifthumbsup.gif

What, now, the French are going to be Indian givers? huh.gif

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sorry i just had to go and check up on my canadian history.

plains of abraham is just outside quebec city, and the battle date was 13sept 1759.

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Are we also going to ignore that France was ready to attack the US during the civil war along with the British.

and my previous point is that the everyone wants to crow about a "friendly" Iraq, guess what they're not really that friendly. They won't be for many, many years. To many civilians were killed for the Iraqi's to just say oh America thank you so much you freed us and only killed at a minimum 10,000 innocent women and children. You only told us that we should rise up and overthrow Saddam and when we did you offered no support causing even more death. We really appreciate that when 60% of the population wants an Islamic government you told us no.

yup those Iraqi's love us.

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Oh brother. From Saddam to al-Queda and other terror groups through the UN Oil for Food program. Iraq was the next step after the Taliban, it's part of the funding for terrorism. There is a next step after Iraq, and another after that. Leave it to the short sighted to not see it. Iraq, Iran, North Korea. Short memories in those intellectual world eliteists. Or, selective memory when it's politically expedient.

Instead, he said, the Iraq campaign is having the opposite effect, drawing Islamic extremists from other parts of the world to join the battle.

And that's why instead of reacting to them after they kill some of us Here, we get them to go there so we can round em up and kill em. It's only bad if you support extremeists, or hate success of your opponent even if it's a good thing in the big picture. I know the French gave us the Statue of Liberty, I know they have their own identical statue as well. The French, were, on, the, take. Yes they're going to moan and complain, we just imprisoned their golden goose and killed his evil kids. Of course we're the bad guys for doing that.

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What, now, the French are going to be Indian givers?

What the hell is that supposed to mean??

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France goes to India, takes a few people, and gives them away?

j/k

Are you asking what the phrase means, pointing out the racism, missing the comment about taking the Statue back, or just being facetious?

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